Tactile Immersion - General Discussion - Hardware & Software

[blekenbleu]

Why this is not a popular method?

Guesses:

1. few have experience with VHB tape
2. some may have used it incorrectly
3. undoing it can be a hassle

Thin tape wants very flat surfaces - something not typical of racing seats.
If BST-1 bottom is fully covered with VHB foam tape, energy loss will be negligible.

If you may eventually want to remove those BST-1s, then consider:

• drilling a piece of flat 3mm (or so) aluminum sheet for BST-1 mounting holes
• countersink those holes for flat head screws to anchor the BST-1 to aluminum
• VHB tape aluminum to racing seat

 

[nopowerneeded]

Guesses:

1. few have experience with VHB tape
2. some may have used it incorrectly
3. undoing it can be a hassle

Thin tape wants very flat surfaces - something not typical of racing seats.
If BST-1 bottom is fully covered with VHB foam tape, energy loss will be negligible.

If you may eventually want to remove those BST-1s, then consider:

• drilling a piece of flat aluminum 3mm (or so) aluminum sheet for BST-1 mounting holes
• countersink those holes for flat head screws to anchor the BST-1 to aluminum
• VHB tape aluminum to racing seat

thanks so much for reply. I see the bottom of NRG seat is almost flat but I will double check it is the case. It looks like there is a piece of foam on BST-1 already looking at the manufacture pictures.

As for removing 3m tape, I've done it a few times on my cars - it is easier than most people think with a heat gun and dental floss. But yeah it might damage the shaker in a process. Do not think you can damage fiberglass seat surface itself. Somehow I like this idea more than drilling into the seat so not sure why it is not a common way to attach shakers.

 

[Xalfy]

• Is there delay between pressing Test now and shaking?

Yes I do have some delay when doing that

EDIT: OK Fixed! For some reason the cable I was using wasn't working and the amp connected through Bluetooth. I changed the cable, now no more delay

 

[blekenbleu]

I like this idea more than drilling into the seat

"Real" (FIA approved) seats are strong enough to tolerate drilling and bolting,
particularly with fender washers and rubber washers to spread stresses.

 

[anton_Chez]

With the fabric, just hold around where you are drilling really tight. Go slow. If you go fast and there is a lot of slack there, you will catch the fabric on the bit and twist it a million miles an hour. I would advise one on the bottom and one of the back. It gives a nicer all round feel and honestly the left right setup is nothing special. Having a more balanced feel over the whole seat is more important to me. I have my units basically all in a row, right down the middle. 2 BST-2's on the rear, one above the other and my Concert under my seat, with the TST 239 just under my knees in front of it.

 

[Atak_Kat]

I have my units basically all in a row, right down the middle. 2 BST-2's on the rear, one above the other and my Concert under my seat,

I’m curious if anyone has come up with a good way to have the feedback on the back of the seat, while keeping the device more hidden. I’m thinking of putting a 80/40 profile running vertically against the back of my seat, with it extending down below into the area below the seat. Then mounting my bk-ct to the 80/40 at the bottom but so it is oriented horizontally.

My thinking (right or wrong) is that I’d like to have/try more of the feedback on the back rather than the butt (now is direct mounted to the bottom of my seat). But I want the large bk more out-of-site or hidden instead of sticking out of the seat back.

Just curious if anyone has tried something like that. Or if in theory it’s a stupid idea.

 

[nopowerneeded]

With the fabric, just hold around where you are drilling really tight. Go slow. If you go fast and there is a lot of slack there, you will catch the fabric on the bit and twist it a million miles an hour. I would advise one on the bottom and one of the back. It gives a nicer all round feel and honestly the left right setup is nothing special. Having a more balanced feel over the whole seat is more important to me. I have my units basically all in a row, right down the middle. 2 BST-2's on the rear, one above the other and my Concert under my seat, with the TST 239 just under my knees in front of it.

this is interesting setup. The reason why I wanted to put two under the seat/butt is that quite a bit of people on reddit said that bst-1 on the back of the seat was not working well for them and they regretted they did not put both of them under the seat.

 

[nopowerneeded]

@Mr Latte @blekenbleu would you recommend 2 bst-1 shakers both under the seat (directly under butt right/left) or one under the seat in the middle under the butt and one on the back of the seat? I am only planning for 2 bst-1 one and maybe will add pucks to the seat cushion later (I have nrg prisma) and 2 DAEX32EP on pedals.

 

[blekenbleu]

would you recommend

I have no BST-1 experience and for tactile currently use only from Dayton's:

• TT-25 pucks (in an SRS ShakeKit cushion)
• a couple of flavors of 40W exciters, focusing on
  • tire slip
  • braking feedback.

I prioritize harness tensioning over extensive lower frequency tactile effects.

 

[anton_Chez]

There is no reason why having one on the back of the seat would give any less feedback than one on the bottom of the seat. You're touching both parts of the seat and if you are sending the same amount of power to each shaker unit, the rear should not feel significantly worse, or worse at all, than the bottom one. You should only feel the location difference, nothing else, Which is why I suggested putting one on each location. You can tend to feel like you're sitting on top of your tactile feedback with everything mounted directly underneath. Having some units further up the seat, especially on the back, whether they are exciters (which I do not recommend but many do), pucks or the larger BST units helps to give a more balanced feedback.

 

[nopowerneeded]

There is no reason why having one on the back of the seat would give any less feedback than one on the bottom of the seat. You're touching both parts of the seat and if you are sending the same amount of power to each shaker unit, the rear should not feel significantly worse, or worse at all, than the bottom one. You should only feel the location difference, nothing else, Which is why I suggested putting one on each location. You can tend to feel like you're sitting on top of your tactile feedback with everything mounted directly underneath. Having some units further up the seat, especially on the back, whether they are exciters (which I do not recommend but many do), pucks or the larger BST units helps to give a more balanced feedback.

thanks Anton, I think I will start with 2 under the seat and add a few more later. Want to start small as I am not sure it will be worth for me.

 

[cnhoff]

I have no BST-1 experience and for tactile currently use only from Dayton's:

• TT-25 pucks (in an SRS ShakeKit cushion)
• a couple of flavors of 40W exciters, focusing on
  • tire slip
  • braking feedback.

I prioritize harness tensioning over extensive lower frequency tactile effects.

I actually have extensive lower frequency tactile effects in place and love them

But i have just added wotever's Simhub-based dual-axis belt tensioner to my rig and it adds both a lot of immersion and fun while also giving you a lot of information about slip, weight shift, braking etc. A really good addition!

The first time you do a full break it is quite an impressive experience, but on top of that a fellow simracer told me, he once turned his belts off and almost completely lost his ability to brake, which i can totally believe.

 

[No Depth]

I actually have extensive lower frequency tactile effects in place and love them

But i have just added wotever's Simhub-based dual-axis belt tensioner to my rig and it adds both a lot of immersion and fun while also giving you a lot of information about slip, weight shift, braking etc. A really good addition!

The first time you do a full break it is quite an impressive experience, but on top of that a fellow simracer told me, he once turned his belts off and almost completely lost his ability to brake, which i can totally believe.

Interesting, what tensioner do you use? I’m alway looking for more reasons to throw money at this rig.

 

[anton_Chez]

If it's controlled through Simhub it's most likely a DIY project.

 

[nopowerneeded]

That disclaimer below is pretty scary

Seat Belt Tensioner GT V3.0 - Lebois Racing

How to feel the G forces in Sim Racing ? Just use the SRT Seat belt tensioner ! It is a free DIY project with complete tutorials !

lebois-racing.fr

IMPORTANT : The harness tensioner can be dangerous. At full power, it is very stressful around the collarbones. It is therefore necessary to provide an emergency stop button.

 

[OlaGB]

I actually have extensive lower frequency tactile effects in place and love them

But i have just added wotever's Simhub-based dual-axis belt tensioner to my rig and it adds both a lot of immersion and fun while also giving you a lot of information about slip, weight shift, braking etc. A really good addition!

The first time you do a full break it is quite an impressive experience, but on top of that a fellow simracer told me, he once turned his belts off and almost completely lost his ability to brake, which i can totally believe.

Really do agree on active belts adding a great level of immersion, and it does feel wierd driving without after getting used it.

This is the thing, it’s not about this or the other, it’s the combinations that makes the best result

 

[OlaGB]

Guys, any luck on using the exciters for higher frequency’s, 2-300hz, or better of using lfe mini with a high-ish cut off?

 

[EsxPaul]

Guys, any luck on using the exciters for higher frequency’s, 2-300hz, or better of using lfe mini with a high-ish cut off?

I guess results will vary according to each person's installation but I can say that the exciters that are directly attached to my seat greatly diminish in feedback and become audible at 180Hz and above.

 

[RCHeliguy]

I'm not running mine much past 100Hz

 

[cnhoff]

Interesting, what tensioner do you use? I’m alway looking for more reasons to throw money at this rig.

Wotever's dual-axis DIY Belt Tensioner

PM me for the password or look for yourself on the Simhub Discord, it is open to everyone.

I was thinking about getting a G-Belt or PT Actuators unit, but I am very happy with the results i get with this one.

The box is not part of the how-to so i put together my own design, as are the 3D-printed belt rollers, which are taken from somewhere else.

If you put some love into the details like the electronics box and belt guiding, it is a pretty polished product and it is part of Simhub which was also appealing to me.