Tactile Immersion - General Discussion - Hardware & Software

[Deleted member 1449502]

My mistake. It's not the first effect, but the last effect that was overly active. Makes sense now. So I've just turned down the volume on that one and it feels much better. Both of the other effects feel fantastic. I ran one at a time and they all feel natural, just needed lower volume for my setup on the TST. I don't mind if it's relatively active, but having a very slight feedback for minor wheel slip, which occurs almost all the time, as opposed to a very noticeable effect is much better for me.

Sounds like you have the balance/mix similar to me now. I used to have 3. [High Frequency Layer] turned up much louder but found it was much better below the mix, where it glued together 2. [Slip] and 1. [Skid Out]

Basically turned it down to where you couldn't obviously feel it above the mix but when you turned it off it was immediately apparent it wasn't there, does that make sense?

 

[anton_Chez]

Yeah pretty much. I don't want very active effects all the time. Especially since I plan to run a fair few of them together on only 2 units. I want them to come on when they really need to and not to overwhelm both me as the driver and each other. So wheel slip, being a very active effect in the car itself since the car is almost always in a state of slip, was always going to be an issue if either the sensitivity or the volume, usually both, are too high. I know the car is sliding almost always through a turn, I don't need the tactile feedback telling me constantly and becoming useless noise.

The balance is very good, just need to balance the volume of each effect relative to my system. That's the easiest kind of tweaking for a user to do so really the effect is nearly perfect out of the box, depending on the setup.

 

[Ratus78]

Hello RD Community. Impressed about how many nice tacticle imersions solutions you guys have done!
Happy owner of a Simlab P1x Rig and thinking to install 4 tactile speakers to the rig at each corner.
I have read so many different post and find it dificult to find the right solution. There are some real specialist here, so i thougt might ask for a nice setup suggestion. Parts may cost like 400-500 Euro max and dosnt have to be plug & play solution.
Already using Adruino and SimHub with 2 vibration motors on Brakes and Throttle, and 2 PC Ventilators. But would love more tactile immersion. Is it wise to mount the tactile speakers directly to the Alu-profiles or should they better be placed on/under the seat?

 

[metalnwood]

Hello RD Community. Impressed about how many nice tacticle imersions solutions you guys have done!
Happy owner of a Simlab P1x Rig and thinking to install 4 tactile speakers to the rig at each corner.
I have read so many different post and find it dificult to find the right solution. There are some real specialist here, so i thougt might ask for a nice setup suggestion. Parts may cost like 400-500 Euro max and dosnt have to be plug & play solution.
Already using Adruino and SimHub with 2 vibration motors on Brakes and Throttle, and 2 PC Ventilators. But would love more tactile immersion. Is it wise to mount the tactile speakers directly to the Alu-profiles or should they better be placed on/under the seat?

I am sorry that I can't help you choose the best options in that price range, including the amp that you will require.

I certainly suggest that you should be looking for something to go on to your seat. I would say don't worry at all about four corners, or feeling like you are missing out by only having it in one place. The performance it will deliver there at that price range will blow your socks off compared to something on a p1x at the corners.

 

[derek0309]

Hi guys,

New to the hobby, have been looking at tactile but there is just so much info (this thread alone is 256 pages long!) with different opinions, so hoping to get some views on the below.

Parts ordered:
Simucube 2 pro
HE Ultimate+
Simlab P1X
Simxperience GS5
Simxperience GSeat

Tactile is next on my list, I have read ppl recommending the below:

1. One each on the 4 corners of the rig
2. One each on pedals and under chair
3. Install on the GS5 itself

May I please kindly ask which setup and parts would you recommend? Budget is around 1-2k EUR, thanks a lot!! Currently have a Gigabyte X570 aorus master as my onboard sound.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

1. One each on the 4 corners of the rig
2. One each on pedals and under chair
3. Install on the GS5 itself

Forget no.1, never works on heavy rigs like P1-X. Under the seat is your best bet. Pedals is so-so effect for the hassle involved with isolation becoming much more critical than with the seat.

 

[anton_Chez]

My 2 cents? Get a large BK LFE/Concert, an NX3000D and mount it under the seat. It sounds like you will have some budget left over, in which case I'd get a TST 239/329 and run it from the same amp, also placed under the seat. This is the easiest and most effective way of getting worthwhile feeling tactile in my opinion. You max out your 2 channel amp, cover a wide range of hz from very low to very high and it's also quite simple, neat and tidy.

You could build into the pedal deck with another unit or two if you really wanted to, but I run my recommended setup in the first sentence and I'm pretty happy with it.

 

[derek0309]

Thank you both! So what about the option to install transducers on the gs5 vs a buttkicker underneath the seat?

 

[metalnwood]

Thank you both! So what about the option to install transducers on the gs5 vs a buttkicker underneath the seat?

A couple of people have done that, I think @HoiHman has but I think thats more of an icing thing and not the first step. I think the lfe/tst combo is whats going to wow you.

 

[derek0309]

Thanks! Will start with that route first then.

 

[Deleted member 1449502]

Posted layered Gear Shift effect with rough downshifts. Note the 2nd 18Hz layer can be changed to 6-12Hz if you have a LFE/BKC/Q10B, I just made it 18Hz in order to have it be useful for more people

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/simhub-bass-shaker-gear-shift-effect-with-rough-downshifts.46940/

 

[Pablo Roldan]

Posted layered Gear Shift effect with rough downshifts. Note the 2nd 18Hz layer can be changed to 6-12Hz if you have a LFE/BKC/Q10B, I just made it 18Hz in order to have it be useful for more people

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/simhub-bass-shaker-gear-shift-effect-with-rough-downshifts.46940/

Thank for all these effects dMASS. I am about to install my new tactile system in my RIG and I am going to start experimenting with effects.I am a completely noob with Simhub just know how to run it and assign channels to bodyshakers.

I play mainly Iracing, can I adapt your effects to iracing more or less easily?.What makes an effect for AC or for Iracing?..Arent they all SIMHUB effects?.

 

[derek0309]

My 2 cents? Get a large BK LFE/Concert, an NX3000D and mount it under the seat. It sounds like you will have some budget left over, in which case I'd get a TST 239/329 and run it from the same amp, also placed under the seat. This is the easiest and most effective way of getting worthwhile feeling tactile in my opinion. You max out your 2 channel amp, cover a wide range of hz from very low to very high and it's also quite simple, neat and tidy.

You could build into the pedal deck with another unit or two if you really wanted to, but I run my recommended setup in the first sentence and I'm pretty happy with it.

Seems like it is virtually impossible for me to get a TST in Hong Kong without paying ridiculous amount of shipping. In that case would you have any other suggestions to the BK LFE + NX3000B combo? Thank you!

 

[anton_Chez]

Seems like it is virtually impossible for me to get a TST in Hong Kong without paying ridiculous amount of shipping. In that case would you have any other suggestions to the BK LFE + NX3000B combo? Thank you!

I would just get the LFE and amp and hope that a TST becomes available at some stage. The large BK is a desirable unit despite missing the TST. You could use something like an Aura shaker to replace the TST if they are easier to get a hold of local to you, but they are not suited to be going on an amp of that power. You could try it though. Even just one LFE will give decent enough response up to 80-100hz to make do without a TST. I wouldn't bother with any other unit myself.

If you decided you only wanted to get a single LFE you could just settle for an NX1000D and save a little cash. You can bridge the channels and have more than enough power for the LFE.

 

[Deleted member 1449502]

Thank for all these effects dMASS. I am about to install my new tactile system in my RIG and I am going to start experimenting with effects.I am a completely noob with Simhub just know how to run it and assign channels to bodyshakers.

I play mainly Iracing, can I adapt your effects to iracing more or less easily?.What makes an effect for AC or for Iracing?..Arent they all SIMHUB effects?.

Most should be fine to work across other sims, sometimes we need to adjust gain levels and a few other little tweaks to achieve the desired effect. Try them on and let me know how you find them and I can help you make some adjustments for your setup

 

[Cameltotem]

Im really looking to get into bass shakers to my rig. Thing is I have no idea about audio and what cables to use.
But this should get me off the ground right? Or am I missing something?

 

[yobrevar]

Hi All.
I've been monitoring this thread for months. It persuaded me in my upgrade choice to an NX3000D and an extra Buttkicker Advanced for the seat. I had to buy a SBlaster X3, as the sensitivity on my mboards outputs was way too low for the NX3000D.

I moved my existing BKG2 to the underside of the pedal box. I'm Using a NLR Gt-Track.
I had to make a new 16mm MDF panel for the BKA to attach under the seat.

Initially ( for an hour or so) this worked well.

While tinkering with Mr.Lattes profiles in Simhub, I went to change one of the replay videos (for the same track and car). Suddenly there was a strange whistle\buzzing noise, predominantly noticed from the BKA.
It is now there all the time, if I enable any setting other than Gear Shift.

I've re-routed all the wiring, separating signal and power lines. Uninstalled \ re-installed SimHub. Tried my original mobo soundcard outputs, which now made the sound (as-well as being low volume). Reinstalled drivers for X3. Tried headphone output on X3.

I'm starting to think it is an issue with Simhub. I disabled Simhub and ran VoiceMeeter with my games and noticed the output to the Kickers didn't have the noise anymore. So that rules out my brand new BKA as the problem. The issue with VoiceMeeter is there is no GearShift noticeable in game play. So I'm not sure if there is another issue elsewhere causing specific frequencies to be cut in my games. I've checked all the Windows Sounds \ Sounblaster \ Realtech settings, but nothing is out of the ordinary. There is no crossover freq's set anywhere else other than my brand new Nx3000D.

I've tried running in Stereo \ 7.1 \5.1 and headphones with 'Direct Mode' dis\enabled in SoundBlaster Command.

When I uninstalled Simhub and reinstalled it (in the same directory as prev), all my original settings & profiles were preserved. This was even with a reboot in between. I'm not sure what the best way is to do a full uninstall for Simhub.

It is most noticeable when the volume is turned down at night time. In fact you can hear it even when the transducers are working flat out. All of these components are brand new. The BKA was shipped via Amazon from the US to me in Aus. I don't look forward to waiting another month for a new one to arrive. Chances are it wont even be the problem anyways. I've now invested over $1400 in these transducers and they sound awful.

Included below are my Amps settings for Channel-A, which is the BKA. I set the Amp up using Mr Lattes link to the Sine Wave generator from other posts.

Here is the link to a short video showing the Buzz\whistle from the BKAdvanced. :->

I've spent the last 2 weeks trying to get this sorted and no time actually driving. I feel like I have done every thing barring a fresh install of Win10 on my new R9-3900x \ RTX2080 system. I'm not really enthused with the thought of doing that.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanx Guys :}

 

[worms14]

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[Peterpan6666]

Hi All.
I've been monitoring this thread for months. It persuaded me in my upgrade choice to an NX3000D and an extra Buttkicker Advanced for the seat. I had to buy a SBlaster X3, as the sensitivity on my mboards outputs was way too low for the NX3000D.

I moved my existing BKG2 to the underside of the pedal box. I'm Using a NLR Gt-Track.
I had to make a new 16mm MDF panel for the BKA to attach under the seat.

Initially ( for an hour or so) this worked well.

While tinkering with Mr.Lattes profiles in Simhub, I went to change one of the replay videos (for the same track and car). Suddenly there was a strange whistle\buzzing noise, predominantly noticed from the BKA.
It is now there all the time, if I enable any setting other than Gear Shift.

I've re-routed all the wiring, separating signal and power lines. Uninstalled \ re-installed SimHub. Tried my original mobo soundcard outputs, which now made the sound (as-well as being low volume). Reinstalled drivers for X3. Tried headphone output on X3.

I'm starting to think it is an issue with Simhub. I disabled Simhub and ran VoiceMeeter with my games and noticed the output to the Kickers didn't have the noise anymore. So that rules out my brand new BKA as the problem. The issue with VoiceMeeter is there is no GearShift noticeable in game play. So I'm not sure if there is another issue elsewhere causing specific frequencies to be cut in my games. I've checked all the Windows Sounds \ Sounblaster \ Realtech settings, but nothing is out of the ordinary. There is no crossover freq's set anywhere else other than my brand new Nx3000D.

I've tried running in Stereo \ 7.1 \5.1 and headphones with 'Direct Mode' dis\enabled in SoundBlaster Command.

When I uninstalled Simhub and reinstalled it (in the same directory as prev), all my original settings & profiles were preserved. This was even with a reboot in between. I'm not sure what the best way is to do a full uninstall for Simhub.

It is most noticeable when the volume is turned down at night time. In fact you can hear it even when the transducers are working flat out. All of these components are brand new. The BKA was shipped via Amazon from the US to me in Aus. I don't look forward to waiting another month for a new one to arrive. Chances are it wont even be the problem anyways. I've now invested over $1400 in these transducers and they sound awful.

Included below are my Amps settings for Channel-A, which is the BKA. I set the Amp up using Mr Lattes link to the Sine Wave generator from other posts.

Here is the link to a short video showing the Buzz\whistle from the BKAdvanced. :->

I've spent the last 2 weeks trying to get this sorted and no time actually driving. I feel like I have done every thing barring a fresh install of Win10 on my new R9-3900x \ RTX2080 system. I'm not really enthused with the thought of doing that.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanx Guys :}

If that were me, I would look to remove Simhub completely and then reinstall without settings having persisted. To remove all reminants take a look in your C:>Users/*your username*/Documents. If there is a Simhub folder there after you have uninstalled Simhub then deletd it. You could also look in the %AppData% folder which is hidden by default. Look in your c: again and inside the Users folder click on view and select show hidden folders. Again, if there is anything named Simhub inside the %AppData% folder, delete it after having uninstalled Simhub.

Now use Ccleaner to clean up registry entries and reboot.

Finally, I wouldn’t be overly hesitant to reinstall Windows on your system. I did it recently to sort out USB issues plaguing my system and it gave me a chance to purge a load of Assetto Corsa mods that I never used. Feels great once it’s all back up and running.

 

[Peterpan6666]

My 2 cents? Get a large BK LFE/Concert, an NX3000D and mount it under the seat. It sounds like you will have some budget left over, in which case I'd get a TST 239/329 and run it from the same amp, also placed under the seat. This is the easiest and most effective way of getting worthwhile feeling tactile in my opinion. You max out your 2 channel amp, cover a wide range of hz from very low to very high and it's also quite simple, neat and tidy.

You could build into the pedal deck with another unit or two if you really wanted to, but I run my recommended setup in the first sentence and I'm pretty happy with it.

@anton_Chez

Hi Anton, thanks for this suggestion. I like simple solutions and the neat and tidy is a bonus although my rigs cable management leaves a lot to be desired!

Some background info first: I am using Simhub on a Windows 11 PC. The rig is a P1-X. My BK Gamer 2’s amp just died and is going back for a refund. I have a Nobsound NS-01G Pro amp driving two Dayton TT25-8 puck transducers, one attached to the accelerator for when the back wheels lose traction and one attached to the brake pedal for when the front wheels lock up. This works well for me and will remain unchanged, although perhaps enhanced with the addition of a large BK on the front end of the rig?

I have just purchased a TST 329 and am having it shipped new from the US to the UK using Ebay and paying £90 less. I have a couple of questions and thoughts having done a lot of research last night and today. Here goes…

The BK Concert is a 2 Ohm transducer and yet the NX3000D amp only get as close as 4 Ohms as far as I know. The BK LFE is 4 Ohm. Does this rule out the BK Concert and Behringer NX3000/6000D amps and mean I should go for the BK LFE instead? I read a post yesterday from someone who suggested the BK Concert is the best BK transducer and sufferes technical issues less than the LFE and other BK transducers. Do you know of any reason why I should choose one over the other? I know the NX4 6000 is plenty powerful and does 2 Ohms however is laking a DSP.

I am using a Motion House 2UN seat mover so there is little room under the chair. I might be able to squeeze in the TST 329 but the BK LFE/Concert will bolt on to a metal plate I’ll attach to the seat mover where it meets the seat side mounts. Is your idea of using both a TST329/239 and a BK LFE/Concert simply because they will compliment each other and cover the entire frequency range or are there other reasons? If so, what effects are best used on the TST 329 and what are best used on the BK LFE/Concert? Given what I’ve explained about my rig are there any alternative placement ideas which I should consider and do you think I should go for a second LFE/Concert near the pedals?

Finally, it seems Behringer’s claim of power output are not close to real world testing. e.g. The NX1000D claim is 2x300 W and it was tested nearer 2X170 W. The same tester also reviewed the NX3000D and found the claims of 900W output were closer to 400W. The TST 329 is rated between 125-159 W so is a nice fit with the NX1000D however the BK LFE/Concert are rated between 400-1500W. Could an argument be made that an NX1000D isn’t a fit for a BK LFE/Concert and that an NX3000D only just meets the 400W lower range of the BK LFE (Concert ignored as its 2 Ohms)? So am I to consider an NX6000D and an LFE over a BK Concert?

With this said regarding power, I also read that Buttkickers claims of the LFE/Concert power requirements are over exagerated. It’s actually quite amusing when you consider the Amp manufacturers are lying about their power output and the best known transducer company may be fibbing about their power requirement. It doesn’t make life easy for the consumer!

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