Tactile Immersion - General Discussion - Hardware & Software

[CC]

Yes but it's for a tactile cushion, and requires a add on module for transducers, then another for DCS as will as addition software. Sounds like a cumbersome setup, and yet more software to learn. It might be easier to keep pestering the Simhub developer until he relents!

said it supports 1-2 bass shakers

 

[EsxPaul]

The thread has been unusually quiet recently and I must admit I haven't even switched my tactile on for around 6 weeks at this point due to a lack of skill and enthusiasm when it comes to tuning it all in.

What I have managed to do is some modification to the pedal deck in the hope that it'll give me better feedback. Previously, I had the Concert bolted directly to the 8020 and I couldn't get any kind of decent transmission through the framework and up into my feet.

I decided to decouple my pedals and have just a standalone, dedicated heel rest with the Concert directly attached to the 2mm stainless heel plate. I've no idea I how well this will work but I'll be sure to report back when I eventually get around to testing it out.

Notice the skillfully added draught excluder to hopefully stop the heel plate from rattling against the framework



Hope it works

 

[Moonmachine]

The thread has been unusually quiet recently and I must admit I haven't even switched my tactile on for around 6 weeks at this point due to a lack of skill and enthusiasm when it comes to tuning it all in.

What I have managed to do is some modification to the pedal deck in the hope that it'll give me better feedback. Previously, I had the Concert bolted directly to the 8020 and I couldn't get any kind of decent transmission through the framework and up into my feet.

I decided to decouple my pedals and have just a standalone, dedicated heel rest with the Concert directly attached to the 2mm stainless heel plate. I've no idea I how well this will work but I'll be sure to report back when I eventually get around to testing it out.

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Notice the skillfully added draught excluder to hopefully stop the heel plate from rattling against the framework

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Hope it works

Looks good. i also am about to experiment with a separate heel plate, in theory it makes sense (to me). Are you in Essex Paul? If you are you are welcome to try my tactile as a comparison.

 

[EsxPaul]

Looks good. i also am about to experiment with a separate heel plate, in theory it makes sense (to me). Are you in Essex Paul? If you are you are welcome to try my tactile as a comparison.

I am mate and thank you very much for the offer. I might just have to take you up on that when and if this virus ever subsides. It'd be a great to try out someone else's setup as I've never had a point of comparison

 

[Moonmachine]

For a moment there the virus slipped my mind!

You are more than welcome to come and compare, just give me a shout.

I have four DA exciters, large LFE on the pedals, large LFE under the seat and a pair of mini LFE left and right under the seat. Probably fairly close to your setup give or take. I can’t claim it’s setup perfectly, but I did my best.

 

[EsxPaul]

For a moment there the virus slipped my mind!

You are more than welcome to come and compare, just give me a shout.

I have four DA exciters, large LFE on the pedals, large LFE under the seat and a pair of mini LFE left and right under the seat. Probably fairly close to your setup give or take. I can’t claim it’s setup perfectly, but I did my best.

Definitely will do and you're more than welcome to do the same.

I'm using 4x DA exiters, Concert on the pedals and Concert under the seat so it'll be a great learning experience for me. Thanks again

 

[Brutal Deluxe]

The thread has been unusually quiet recently and I must admit I haven't even switched my tactile on for around 6 weeks at this point due to a lack of skill and enthusiasm when it comes to tuning it all in.

What I have managed to do is some modification to the pedal deck in the hope that it'll give me better feedback. Previously, I had the Concert bolted directly to the 8020 and I couldn't get any kind of decent transmission through the framework and up into my feet.

I decided to decouple my pedals and have just a standalone, dedicated heel rest with the Concert directly attached to the 2mm stainless heel plate. I've no idea I how well this will work but I'll be sure to report back when I eventually get around to testing it out.

Notice the skillfully added draught excluder to hopefully stop the heel plate from rattling against the framework

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Hope it works

Good luck with this Paul, I'm really interested to hear your feedback on how it works out. Hopefully the weight of the LFE will pin it down enough to prevent the tray from moving without it contacting the frame. You've also got the option to add more rubber (and different types) if the current stuff doesn't support it enough. Looking forward to hearing more.

 

[Wmacky]

I've decided to move ahead. I already have 6 of the Dayton exciters and a Behringer EPQ304 4X amp, today I ordered my NX3000D, Nobosound 2 ch amp, and a LFE. That should complete my basic "Latte" setup. While waiting I have finally taken a quick look at the Shake it setup screens. The complexity worries me.

specifically, profile creation for a 8 multi channel setup. Especially with no Mr Latte!


Questions -



1. Did Mr. Latte ever release any profiles other than the RPM profile on Discord? I know he was going to release some privately for testing , but is that over now?

2. Were there ever any tutorials for creating these multi channel /body zone profiles? I read 30 hours of posts and can't remember seeing any?

3. Has anyone else actually created any, and how hard was it?,
I have basic questions, like which exciter locations are best suited for certain effects, and how to utilize the mono under seat LFE with the exciters? For example - should the LFE receive it own separate effects or should it just enhance the effects going to the exciters, with the additional of low end? Or should it be doing a combo of both?

Was any of that gone over as it relates specifically to creating a custom profile?

 

[Tovey13]

I've decided to move ahead. I already have 6 of the Dayton exciters and a Behringer EPQ304 4X amp, today I ordered my NX3000D, Nobosound 2 ch amp, and a LFE. That should complete my basic "Latte" setup.

I have gone in the same direction but with 8 exciters,big lfe and 2 dayton bass shakers.
I have found a few profiles on the discord but none of them are complete more just guides.

I can't set everything up till my new rig arrives which is on back order.
but have been playing around with the 2 dayton bass shakers and it's all a matter of trial and error.

Simhub looks more daunting then it actually is once you get into things.
The parts where more attention will be needed is using EQ to get more out of the units,
and protecting them from damage.Also making sure you have no clipping.

From memory it's best to have the LFE or any bigger shaker to it's own card from the exciters
so each can be tuned to safe working levels.

You want to notch down (EQ drop volume) at 20hz range on LFE to stop piston pang and tune in the exciters so they don't go below 40hz,I would limit to 43-44hz just as a precaution to avoid cracking the speaker ring or eq 40hz if you feel you need it but those ranges should be filled with the bigger shakers more.

Others here will be more helpful,but once I'm fully setup we can share findings since builds will be similar.It's the reason I decided to go mr lattes route so there is a base for everyone to reference and work on.

 

[Wmacky]

Hey, thanks for your reply-

Yes, comparing notes would be helpful. I do plan on separate cards for the exciters to have that Freq limiting ability. I have the additional complication of having a SFX motion system to add to the mix. There is almost no information on combining 3 DOF motion with multi channel tactile. Certainly none that include body zone targeted exciters. Not sure if I'm the right person to blaze that unknown trail........

 

[Tovey13]

I believe someone in here think RCheli has a motion build with tactile and there own thread.

The body zones depend on where your body comes into contact with the seat.
but general idea is 2 lower back,2 bolsters,2 shoulders for 6 exciters and if running 8 then another 2 at front of seat under knees.

 

[Wmacky]

I believe someone in here think RCheli has a motion build with tactile and there own thread.

The body zones depend on where your body comes into contact with the seat.
but general idea is 2 lower back,2 bolsters,2 shoulders for 6 exciters and if running 8 then another 2 at front of seat under knees.

Yes, I have the recommendations for exciter placement. but what I meant was which effects to send to which exciters? Did Mr Lattet randomly send effects to different exciters just to separate the effects?

Or

Had it been determined that certain effects feel the most realistic when being sent to specific exciters.

For example should Lateral G effects always be sent lower back, or shoulders or whatever? If he was ever able to determine these things, were they ever posted? This thread seem to be lacking in that area. There's lots of very good general concepts, but not many specific details

I was hoping for a simple list of effects and the body zones to best interpet them.

 

[Tovey13]

I do remember seeing a list somewhere I'll see if I can track it down,
all I remember for now is kerbs/side load of susp on bolsters
and speed builds from under seat up to shoulders.

I think for G force with deceleration it goes from shoulders and would run down to front of legs and
then reverse for acceleration.
Alot of it was personal preference and depended on the rig as well for what translated well and what didn't.

I'm pretty sure nothing was concrete and what works for one sim might not work for another.
but in general you want to have max 3 effects per unit then spread them out for effect.

EG.
-Rpm starts at underseat LFE at 10hz builds to 50hz
-Lower back exciters jump in freeing up the LFE for bumps what not.
-Lower back passes over to shoulders for peak at which lower back is free to rumble for rpm limiter -Gear change LFE kicks hard at 44hz
-Rpm drops back down then starts from the LFE at 10HZ again.

 

[Wmacky]

I believe someone in here think RCheli has a motion build with tactile and there own thread.

The body zones depend on where your body comes into contact with the seat.
but general idea is 2 lower back,2 bolsters,2 shoulders for 6 exciters and if running 8 then another 2 at front of seat under knees.

I had been away for awhile and had not seen that thread. I think I have found it. ( currently just below this one!) That's good news as it's the only SFX-100 / Exciter install I'm aware of besides mine. Looks like good reading and I'm digging in right now

Edit:

The thread I was thinking about 'did not" include a SFX1-- installation. It seems he printed the parts but never finished. it, so back to being a party of 1 unless there is anyone else out there with a SFX/ Exciter setup? It would be nice to compare notes.

 

[RCHeliguy]

I've just got a seat mover not a chassis mover and it's likely to stay that way for a while because of space and mobility constraints. I also haven't gone into tactile nearly as far as many others have in this thread. So while I enjoy my tactile system, I'm definitely not the connoisseur.

 

[Prickles]

Hey all, I've got my SFX-100 motion rig running for iRacing now and feel like the only thing missing is engine RPM... So my thoughts are to add a transducer or two (seat only, or seat+pedals).

A few years back I was running simvibe with 4x shakers (tried the really cheap ones, as well as some k-woons), and even though I couldn't race without it, I felt like the shakers were lacking, even just with RPM. I was using simvibe. Oh and I was running some nice emotiva amps but they are gone now

Any thoughts/suggestions for an amp/shaker combo here? I have 70mm height to work with under my seat (including a mounting plate).

I'm thinking Clark Synthesis TST209?

 

[Brutal Deluxe]

Some great input being shared on here. Seems like a lot of people are taking on board Mr Latte's recommendations and developing similar setups. I also have a similar setup to what's being discussed so hopefully we can continue to share our findings.

@Wmacky In relation to which effects you have set to which regions, there's no set rule, I'd just recommend using common sense and experiment to find what feels good for you. Here's a breakdown of how I have my effects setup (I'm by no means an expert but am fairly happy with my setup);

Shoulder exciters (2x Mono) - Road Vibration
Spine exciters (2x Mono) - Road Impacts
Kidney exciters (Stereo) - Road Rumble & Wheel Slip
Under seat BK-LFE (Mono) - RPMs & Gear Shift
Under seat legs TST-209 (Mono) - Speed
Pedals - Aura Shakers (Stereo) - Idle Rpms, Road Vibration & Gear Shift


I've bi-wired my exciters (against Mr Latte's recommendations) so am running 8 of them from 4 channels. This gives me less chance of over running them and means only 4 channels being required, but obviously less control than 8 channels.

I don't have experience with running motion but have read a few posts on here where people have. My only concern is there being a small trade off due to the isolation. If you create good isolation for the tactile then it may dampen the effects of the motion. I don't have time to look for the post right now, but there was a guy called Michael that came across this issue earlier in the year. Just something to consider.

Even if you don't have everything setup yet, try to have a play with SimHub to get used to the settings and effects. It's pretty user friendly once you stumble your way around it and is handy if you can start to familiarise yourself with it.

I'm happy to share my effects with others if it helps. Again, I'm no expert and haven't devoted a huge amount of time to perfecting them. They're very basic compared to what's achievable with multilayered effects and crossover body zones, etc.... but they do serve their purpose.

PS - Unfortunately there's no "how to" guide for effects at the moment. It is something that Mr Latte was hoping to develop this year but has gone on the back burner due to his own build and other family and work commitments. Hopefully it's in the pipeline still for the near future.

I hope that's of some help.

 

[Wmacky]

Thanks, great info. I'm going to finish installing my wind "blowers" this weekend then start mounting the transducers, and loading the equipment rack with amps.

Question. about mounting my LFE to the seat bottom-

MY NRG fiberglass seat has a fabric covering that's locked onto the seat with a tight wire surround, I figured the covering could be easily removed so I could drill the mount holes, but am I wrong? I see people just drilling through the fabric after removing the larger seat cushions? IS this the best option? I'm worried the bit would catch in the fabric and twist around the bit, ripping it up?

 

[Brutal Deluxe]

Thanks, great info. I'm going to finish installing my wind "blowers" this weekend then start mounting the transducers, and loading the equipment rack with amps.

Question. about mounting my LFE to the seat bottom-

MY NRG fiberglass seat has a fabric covering that's locked onto the seat with a tight wire surround, I figured the covering could be easily removed so I could drill the mount holes, but am I wrong? I see people just drilling through the fabric after removing the larger seat cushions? IS this the best option? I'm worried the bit would catch in the fabric and twist around the bit, ripping it up?

I had a similar concern before drilling through my SimLab Speed 1. It sounds like your seat is similar construction to mine. It drilled absolutely fine. Just go slow to check that the fabric isn't winding round the drill bit but you shouldn't have any issue. It drilled through the material quite cleanly but I added some small washers to tidy it up.

 

[EsxPaul]

MY NRG fiberglass seat has a fabric covering that's locked onto the seat with a tight wire surround, I figured the covering could be easily removed so I could drill the mount holes, but am I wrong? I see people just drilling through the fabric after removing the larger seat cushions? IS this the best option? I'm worried the bit would catch in the fabric and twist around the bit, ripping it up?

I had to do pretty much the same thing as @Brutal Deluxe mentioned. I drilled from the outside, through the fibreglass with a 1mm bit which punctured the fabric without it twisting around the bit. Once it's pierced, it won't grab the larger sized drill bits.