Is VR dead?

[RCHeliguy]

Seriously? Thank you for clearing that up!

For the last 3.5 years I don't know how I managed to suffer through my VR experience. I must have been on drugs to have enjoyed it. And the nearly 2 years of VR before that I'm at a complete loss to explain.

Please feel free to discount all my priorities and everything that matters to me. I obviously have no understanding of the VR experience or I would completely agree with you.

I'm just so incredibly grateful to have this cleared up!

 

[RCHeliguy]

While I'll obviously get ribbing for posting this as a man, here it is anyway. Somehow it seems relevant based on recent posts.

Flak jacket on!

Mansplaining - to comment on or explain something to a woman in a condescending, overconfident, and often inaccurate or oversimplified manner.

 

[Spinelli]

1) You twisted what others here said about higher/lower graphics settings
2) You said you could say the same thing about resolution which, actually, is not the same

...so I responded. It's not personal, just talking graphics.

For the last 3.5 years I don't know how I managed to suffer through my VR experience. I must have been on drugs to have enjoyed it.

Please feel free to discount all my priorities and everything that matters to me. I obviously have no understanding of the VR experience or I would completely agree with you.

I'm just so incredibly grateful to have this cleared up!

Lol, I didn't imply any of that. All I did was bring up the 2 points I listed above.

Flak jacket on!

Mansplaining - to comment on or explain something to a woman in a condescending, overconfident, and often inaccurate or oversimplified manner.

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[RCHeliguy]

<sigh>

Still feeling so grateful.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

I wouldn't be too surprised if in a week or two we see post from RCHeliguy boasting about his new Varjo Aero and shitting on Index.

 

[RCHeliguy]

I wouldn't be too surprised if in a week or two we see post from RCHeliguy boasting about his new Varjo Aero and shitting on Index.

LOL! Never happen.

I still think the Rift was a good headset for the time I had it. The Index was a great upgrade from it and I'm still happy with it. It will hold me until something I actually want to replace it with is available.

That doesn't mean that I didn't love the clear image in the center of the G2 displays and if Valve simply released the Index I have right now with a higher resolution display like that, I would buy that in a heartbeat and even spend $1000 for just the headset.

 

[RCHeliguy]

Speaking as always about VR, this seems relevant.

For a VR only steering wheel, I can't think of one that looks designed better for it. I say this as someone who absolutely loves my PSE GT3 wheel. I think I might take this over the much more expensive PSE equivalent. This Grid wheel actually has a lot more features to it and just looks very well thought out.

 

[Cooknn]

Speaking as always about VR, this seems relevant.

For a VR only steering wheel, I can't think of one that looks designed better for it. I say this as someone who absolutely loves my PSE GT3 wheel. I think I might take this over the much more expensive PSE equivalent. This Grid wheel actually has a lot more features to it and just looks very well thought out.

Not sure about you guys, but I see all the new wheels with dynamic telemetry displays and I immediately want. Then I realize that I won't see that stuff anyways, so I pass. Love my old school Simagic wheel rims. I have GT1 (D-Shape) and GT4 rims to go with my Alpha DD Base. I'm currently back to my GT1 because it's more like most of the cars I'm driving in AMS2.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

LOL! Never happen.

I still think the Rift was a good headset for the time I had it. The Index was a great upgrade from it and I'm still happy with it. It will hold me until something I actually want to replace it with is available.

That doesn't mean that I didn't love the clear image in the center of the G2 displays and if Valve simply released the Index I have right now with a higher resolution display like that, I would buy that in a heartbeat and even spend $1000 for just the headset.

Why not, spherical lenses like PSVR1 with edge to edge clarity, station based tracking that you like so much, highest resolution in the class.

https://www.adorama.com/vrjaero.html

 

[RCHeliguy]

Why not, spherical lenses like PSVR1 with edge to edge clarity, station based tracking that you like so much, highest resolution in the class.

https://www.adorama.com/vrjaero.html

No off ear headphones, no microphone and lack of vertical FOV are the initial deal breakers for me. There are a few other issues.

If I was going to get it, I would have gotten it during the $300 off Christmas sale.

All that said I did consider the Aero. It is possible that if they release an Aero 2 with a few important upgrades that I would consider them.

Let me add that some feedback I've gotten by people who checked out the Aero and still didn't buy one said it felt like a very well constructed professional quality product. Compared to one other manufacturer that is a very different view.

 

[RCHeliguy]

They expect to have this Open Source headset selling in 2nd quarter 2023.
It will be interesting to see if they beat the Crystal to market.
Still not something I want yet ( either of those two )

 

[blekenbleu]

For a VR only steering wheel, I can't think of one that looks designed better for it.

I would much rather have all thumb rotary encoder reachable without changing grip, as on e.g. Simagic FX Formula Extreme Wheel Dual Clutch

Sadly, I'd need someone to reverse engineer their wireless protocol,
finding their wheel bases uncompelling.

 

[RCHeliguy]

Looks like a nice wheel. I agree that the adjustment wheel by the thumbs looks better.

The Grid has two Funkeys at the top and the buttons on the back with 5 rotaries on the front and a number of other nice touches like the soft button shouds.

Personal preference always wins. This just caught my eye as something interesting in this space.

 

[metalnwood]

I tried the G2 and I'm glad it's working well for you. I sold my G2 a few weeks ago because I couldn't live with it. It had far too many shortcomings that I cared about. For me the Index works much better.

It lost tracking with the G2 in rally with my D-Box motion system. The G2 would suddenly snap 90 degrees to the side when I was looking into a corner. This is a known issue experienced by many people with motion systems.

The comfort for the G2 isn't as good. I couldn't get the off ear speakers positioned as well. The FrankenFOV facial interface helped a lot, but required I use a very thin facial cushion. However, it was the tunnel vision breaking immersion that was the dealbreaker for me. I felt like I lost my 3D perspective with it. The Index has a noticeably larger FOV and most importantly you can use your eye balls to look around with in that FOV without the image getting blurry.

The G2 software issues and poor hand controllers were a pain. I got dongles and did my best to get my Index controllers working with it, but was never happy with the result. The G2 hand controllers are crap. Despite many people claiming they have their G2 working well, I've heard feedback from many others who have experienced the same issues I have.

The Index tracking is perfect. The hand controllers are excellent. The high frame rate works very well. There is no software futzing around with it. Everything just works reliably.

YMMV, but this was my experience and I finally gave up on the G2. For me personally it was not a good fit.

The G2 is a great value for the money and I'm glad it works well for many people.

I'm not worried which headset you use because your choice doesn't affect me and mine doesn't affect you but I do remember thinking you didn't give it much of a chance.

I do remember you were on it and off it in record fast time, I have a feeling you used it more to validate preconceived ideas than really put in the time to get it going well and then put in the time to get used to it's negatives and see if overall that weighed less on the scale compared to its positives.

Where you landed is not a problem but you having owned it only gives as much weight to comment on it as the time you put in to it.

 

[RCHeliguy]

I had it over a month, and I felt like I worked through it, but honestly does it matter?

If you are happy with yours, why should it matter if I wasn't?

 

[Deleted member 197115]

I'm not worried which headset you use because your choice doesn't affect me and mine doesn't affect you but I do remember thinking you didn't give it much of a chance.

I do remember you were on it and off it in record fast time, I have a feeling you used it more to validate preconceived ideas than really put in the time to get it going well and then put in the time to get used to it's negatives and see if overall that weighed less on the scale compared to its positives.

Where you landed is not a problem but you having owned it only gives as much weight to comment on it as the time you put in to it.

My thoughts as well, most of the issues listed sound like initial setup woes we all went through.
On ergonomics of the wheel, looks like new Ascher Formula 64 has two thumbsticks conveniently located at the reach of your thumbs without changing grip.

 

[RCHeliguy]

I withdraw my VR steering wheel comment. It's obvious formula wheels haven't been on my radar.

 

[metalnwood]

My thoughts as well, most of the issues listed sound like initial setup woes we all went through.
On ergonomics of the wheel, looks like new Ascher Formula 64 has two thumbsticks conveniently located at the reach of your thumbs without changing grip.
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exactly, I have been in VR for nearly 9 years since the dk2. Anyone who has used VR in titles like DCS, other flight sims and various racing games knows the countless hours spent to get the most performance we can get from titles that just dont want to work great and we are just begging for an extra few % performance.

So I don';t know why all of a sudden an extra bit of time to setup hardware should be an issue - its always outweighed by the time setting up various mods, getting parameters right, fixing after update etc. All the things we have faced for a long time.

@RCHeliguy I get that it wasnt right for you, thats fine and its a valid comment that you prefer the fov of the index but some things you didnt put in the time to correct and because they didnt work for you doesnt mean they dont work in general fine.

 

[RCHeliguy]

Absolutely!

I got the G2 already knowing about the deal breakers that kept me from getting it initially.

All those deal breakers were still true and it was going to be an uphill battle from day one because it was a bad match for me and my priorities.

It was simply cheap enough that I thought WTF, I'll try it out and give my new 4090 a little workout.

After fighting with it and realizing that at best I would be swapping it back and forth with my Index and one by one deciding that I liked my Index better in game EXCEPT FOR my RC Helicopter flight simulator. For that the G2 was absolutely perfect, but that wasn't enough for me to keep a 2nd headset.

When I had someone reach out and ask to buy it, I decided I was done wasting time wrestling with the G2 since it was never going to work in a way that "I" would be happy with.

That doesn't mean that couldn't have resolved the software issues if I stuck with it, but none of the deal breakers would have been resolved, so at that point there was no reason for me to keep fighting with it.

If I didn't have the Index as a reference point I might have considered the G2 acceptable.

 

[Metla]

Interesting, I don't think I have had my G2 lose tracking in my motion rig, I did have a slow drift to the left in ACC for a period of time but I can't recall that happening for quite awhile.

I don't have the G2 hand controllers enabled so that avoids there tracking issues, and using OpenXR to avoid SteamVR was a game changer for stability, configuration, and performance.

Not a fan of the off-ear speakers, got rid of those.

As far as comfort and FOV, I'm not really sensitive to these items, I can ignore the tunnel vision and don't notice it unless I specifically take note of it.

Ive also got an Oculus 2, And apart from the downgraded visuals I also enjoyed that immensely, The only thing that annoyed me was the audio...

Anyhow, as soon as I discovered OpenVR and the benefits of it I went back to the G2.