Is VR dead?

[Mekonrider]

I ran the psvr headset with the Ivry software. It worked better than Trinus for me. I was just black screens with that .

When I moved to the Lenovo it was like night and day though. My sims actually looked like they did on the monitor not like an impressionist work.

 

[GeekyDeaks]

Beat Saber is migrating to PSVR.

That's a weird thing for them to say - it's been out on the original PSVR for about 4 years....

Beat Saber - PS VR & PS VR2 Games | PlayStation

Buy Beat Saber on PlayStation Store. Experience fast-paced single and multiplayer action with breathtaking visuals, energizing music and fine-tuned gameplay.

www.playstation.com

I'm just wiring up the gimx to see if I can get my wheel and pedals working on my PS5 before I hit the pre-order button.... although I might get it anyway as I find the G1 really frustrating to use for room-scale stuff.....

 

[blekenbleu]

That's a weird thing for them to say - it's been out on the original PSVR

PSVR games will not work on PSVR 2

Every Game Getting a Free PSVR 2 Upgrade (so far)​

 

[RCHeliguy]

Not Eve Valkyrie
They shut the servers down last August.

 

[mechsicko]

Third-hand "leak" of Apple's mixed-reality headset features
MacRumors: around US$3000...

Wonder where your nose is supposed to go..

On PSVR apparently GT7 will have support

 

[blekenbleu]

Niels Heusinkveld:

I would uninstall AMS1 if I had to choose.. RBR + RallySimFans mod = heaven!​

"Its not a mod, a totally new game! With GREAT VR support!"

While I find user interface idiosyncrasies among games intensely aggravating,
Niels' endorsement tempts me.

 

[RCHeliguy]

I need to install the RBR + RallySimFans version.

The "other" version I have installed now crapped out on me.

 

[blekenbleu]

crapped out

According to the RBR Rallysimfans.hu discord, HP Reverb is problematic;
OpenXR is not (yet) supported, and their VR implementation is not open source.

 

[Cooknn]

Saw this today and had to laugh a bit. The Aero is a great headset, but I think they just kicked a hornet's nest with this announcement.

I think anyone calling any headset available today the Holy Grail of SimRacing is smoking something.

I've got the Varjo Aero. It's not a Holy Grail, but it's pretty amazing. I came from the Reverb G2. Don't miss the screen door effect. Even combined with my new i13900K & 4090 it's still a game of give and take with today's sim racing titles. After spending time with my Aero in iRacing, ACC and AMS2 I've become very happy with the VR experience in AMS2 and it's my go to racing title at the moment. I don't get DFR, but I can run it at 39PPD (as opposed to 24PPD on the G2) and have all the graphics settings maxed with the exception of MSAA. I have that off and choose to use SMAA at Ultra with 16X AA. 90fps (<11ms) at night in the rain with a full field. For what's out there today, this is as close as I can get to sim racing nirvana.

 

[RCHeliguy]

According to the RBR Rallysimfans.hu discord, HP Reverb is problematic;
OpenXR is not (yet) supported, and their VR implementation is not open source.

I never tried the G2 with RBR, and I've sold my G2. Personally I found it to be too big a PITA for all kinds of things and decided I couldn't live with it long term for many reasons. I won't rehash all that again. I explained why in my build thread.

RBR Pro (NOT THE RALLY SIM FANS version )was working with my Index and then it stopped working before. That's why I'm saying I need to switch moded versions.

FWIW the person who purchased it seems to be enjoying it.

 

[Spinelli]

but I can run it at 39PPD (as opposed to 24PPD on the G2) and have all the graphics settings maxed with the exception of MSAA. I have that off and choose to use SMAA at Ultra with 16X AA. 90fps (<11ms) at night in the rain with a full field. For what's out there today, this is as close as I can get to sim racing nirvana.

The Aero is 35 PPD, not 39. Anything that states 39 is fake as it's using supersampling and/or upscaling.

I personally don't see how the Aero is simracing Nirvana in the current market. Other than current highest PPD, it falls behind in both h.FOV and refresh rate plus lots of chromatic aberration and poor blacks (but mainly the h.FOV and refresh rate). I'm pretty sure Varjo fixed the bad barrel distortions otherwise add that to the list too.

 

[gamma123152]

The Aero is 35 PPD, not 39. Anything that states 39 is fake as it's using supersampling and/or upscaling.

I personally don't see how the Aero is simracing Nirvana in the current market. Other than current highest PPD, it falls behind in both h.FOV and refresh rate plus lots of chromatic aberration and poor blacks (but mainly the h.FOV and refresh rate). I'm pretty sure Varjo fixed the bad barrel distortions otherwise add that to the list too.

I bought the Aero to replace my Reverb G2 but I had to send it back for the following reasons:
- motion blur while turning/moving head
- massive chromatic aberration
- serious edge distortion/warping (with new profile enabled)
- terrible stereo overlap, which caused an black spot between my eyes, something that I don't have with my G2. This is a way bigger issue then the low FoV
- impossible to use it with multiple people, because auto ipd gave much worse chromatic aberration than manual ipd so every time you switch from person to person you need to go to the software of varjo and you need to adjust all 4 hardware knobs, takes in total 10-15 minutes to get it perfect every single time. This while I can switch the G2 from face to face in a few seconds (just ipd slider)
- red colour was shifted

The blacks, the FoV(vertical was REALLY low) were also issues but the above points were the reasons for my return. I'm more happy with my G2. Even if the Aero was priced the same as the G2 then I would still go for the G2, because the Aero was simply unusable for me(mainly because of stereo overlap and what I described about "usage with friends").

Edit: but I don't agree with your refresh rate point; 90hz is sufficient for sim racing. Even the 4090 cannot handle more than 90fps/Hz locked at high PPD/FoV with foveated rendering. If you want higher Hz then you need to lower the resolution which is not a good idea for sim racing, you really want as high as possible PPD and FoV, this combined with 90hz/fps. This is more important than Hz/refresh rate (as long as its 90hz, you're good).

 

[RCHeliguy]

There is an interesting discussion on the iRacing VR forum right now about what modern headset is worth having.

1. A bunch of people had issues with G2's and didn't like them.
( BTW more than a few had issues with motion systems and tracking which both matches my experience and the experience of the person who purchased my G2. He had to turn down his motion a chunk to make it work reliably)
2. A bunch of people tried Pimax headsets and returned them because of numerous issues.
3. Some people tried and returned Aero's and listed issues with them as well.

In this group a number of people with G2's tried Pimax's and returned the Pimaxes while still not being happy with the G2's either.

Right now there is no holy grail. However I would say that Aero seems to have a happier group of users than the others for all of it's imperfections. Many stick with the G2 because of the price point. Many are waiting to see what comes next.

There were also a number of concerns about the Pimax Crystal based on experiences with current Pimax headsets.

I didn't see any agreement on anything being the right headset for sim racing, most seemed to complain about all the headsets on the market.

So basically NET SUM ZERO! The person asking for advice is mostly being told to wait.

 

[gamma123152]

There were also a number of concerns about the Pimax Crystal based on experiences with current Pimax headsets.

From what I've read; The Crystal seems to get damn close to a perfect VR sim racing headset (of course within what's technically possible in 2023). It just does almost everything right from what I understood. It offers what the Aero should have offered and even more then that.

But I agree that Pimax as a company is a huge concern. The have terrible after sales, quality issues and offer only 1 year warranty. So it's almost impossible to buy the Crystal at their company.

So no matter what: I will never (pre)order this device at pimax.com. But I will buy it at a EU retailer that offers 2 years warranty and 14 days refund worry free(both forced by EU law).

 

[Cooknn]

The Aero is 35 PPD, not 39. Anything that states 39 is fake as it's using supersampling and/or upscaling.

I personally don't see how the Aero is simracing Nirvana in the current market. Other than current highest PPD, it falls behind in both h.FOV and refresh rate plus lots of chromatic aberration and poor blacks (but mainly the h.FOV and refresh rate). I'm pretty sure Varjo fixed the bad barrel distortions otherwise add that to the list too.

I stand corrected regarding the PPD. Their Varjo Base software is misleading. Highest setting for OpenXR apps is 35PPD but VB says 39 As far as blacks, barrel distortion, motion blur and chromatic aberration, my 62 year old eyes don't pick up on any of that (or care regarding FOV). My boys however, both noticed the chromatic aberration. I don't see it. Like I said in my previous post, this isn't the holy grail. But, for me this is sim racing nirvana. Obviously not for everyone.

 

[gamma123152]

However I would say that Aero seems to have a happier group of users than the others for all of it's imperfections.

The group that has the Aero and uses it for sim racing is very small. I think that it's so small that you can hardly draw any real statistical conclusions from it. There are way WAY more Reverb G2 users so you will also find more comments about that device.

 

[Cooknn]

The group that has the Aero and uses it for sim racing is very small. I think that it's so small that you can hardly draw any real statistical conclusions from it. There are way WAY more Reverb G2 users so you will also find more comments about that device.

Varjo Aero Racing Sim Discord Channels
https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/983695308854792232 (Racing Sims General)
https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/840689665336934420 (iRacing)
https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/974597666988232754 (Automobilista 2)
https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/839828340101873664 (Assetto Corsa Competizione)
https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/852456923319107594 (All Other Racing Sims)

 

[gamma123152]

Varjo Aero Racing Sim Discord Channels
https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/983695308854792232 (Racing Sims General)
https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/840689665336934420 (iRacing)
https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/974597666988232754 (Automobilista 2)
https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/839828340101873664 (Assetto Corsa Competizione)
https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/852456923319107594 (All Other Racing Sims)

Not all users on Varjo's discord are Aero owners. I'm also on that discord for example... (waiting for an Aero 2) many people go there for questions/into etc.

And just to compare: https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/
15.3K users.

 

[RCHeliguy]

Aero 2 ??????

Do tell
Or are you just saying you are waiting for the next thing they release?

 

[gamma123152]

Aero 2 ??????

Do tell

@32:20 its coming probably, one day I expect quite a lot from it tbh.