Tactile Immersion - General Discussion - Hardware & Software
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Mr Latte
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NX1000D will be fine but if you see yourself tempted to have large BK in future Id buy either 1 of each or 2x 3000 models.
Shop around prices vary this is an incredible value bit of kit with the DSP all ready to go.
NX1000D £167
NX3000D £209
You will however likely want to replace the fan in each unit for a quieter one.
The internals of the amps varied a little over the years but this is easy to do.
See Here and people that did the change have not had issues with the amps. It likely will invalidate any warranty if they know you did such.
Behringer HA6000 | DV247 | en-GB
With the HA6000, Behringer offers a 6-channel headphone amplifier and mixer with 2-band EQ, panorama control and mono L/R knobs. In addition, the amplifier offers routing options with other devices, aux inputs for integrating instruments, etc., as well as a slim, clear housing and design in 19"...
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Mr Latte
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Had a quick look over the recently shared "RomainRob" profile on the Discord and it has some very different settings to what I am using in my own current ongoing effects. I believe he uses Dayton Pucs and its nice to see what direction some people go with the effects they end up using and preferring with the hardware they may own. I am going to look over some of the effects he has again, as some I like and well others I do not like so much or find I have something already I enjoy more.
My Approach Is Different:
What I do think is very different, is my own approach with this concept to build effects to rely less on each unit but also to extract the much wider frequency range we can use with these exciters and especially if combined with BK units as well. It is one of the major benefits this concept has so we should build effects for it to make the most of it.
So for an example, something like suspension based bumps to represent each wheel. In my latest set of effects I apply different layers with settings to reflect responses for these scenarios:
So we can get individual but also the combined sensation of the frequencies in each by using advanced controls with threshold we can determine what level of telemetry value triggers a "large bump" response compared to a "small bump" response with no or very little threshold setting. Now, this may need tweaking for different sims and in some cases different cars too.
Ultimately this gives us a response from say, saw kerbs or road dips for small telemetry values but then a more robust feel for medium or larger bump values. We gain more immersion and variation in responses based on the always-changing/differing telemetry values happening based on the car's physics and user inputs.
What else, ahhh....
This is one example, how we use this concept to go beyond the traditional approach if desired. To get both stereo L/R suspension based sensations and improved representation of small-large bumps with a further deeper sensation for the whole cars chassis.
Keep in mind with this method we can also place the effects for the "Small/Medium/Large" bumps responses to the individual (Eg: 3x stereo layers) on the back of the seat and the 4th layer via BK units in the base of the seat.
It is this that helps give much-improved bumps (as one effect example) over having the traditional approach of single units trying to generate all the bumps (never mind other additional effects as well). The user can determine if they choose however to place these how/where they like with their own channel mapping.
So you can place all layers to a single unit or spread the layers over different units.
An example would be having small bumps to only one pair and if preferred large bumps to more than one pair. It gives the user more choices to custom define how each effect layer is represented/felt.
These effects and others will be shared in future...
My Approach Is Different:
What I do think is very different, is my own approach with this concept to build effects to rely less on each unit but also to extract the much wider frequency range we can use with these exciters and especially if combined with BK units as well. It is one of the major benefits this concept has so we should build effects for it to make the most of it.
So for an example, something like suspension based bumps to represent each wheel. In my latest set of effects I apply different layers with settings to reflect responses for these scenarios:
- Small Bumps (1st element)
- Medium Bumps (2nd element)
- Large Bumps (3rd element)
So we can get individual but also the combined sensation of the frequencies in each by using advanced controls with threshold we can determine what level of telemetry value triggers a "large bump" response compared to a "small bump" response with no or very little threshold setting. Now, this may need tweaking for different sims and in some cases different cars too.
Ultimately this gives us a response from say, saw kerbs or road dips for small telemetry values but then a more robust feel for medium or larger bump values. We gain more immersion and variation in responses based on the always-changing/differing telemetry values happening based on the car's physics and user inputs.
What else, ahhh....
- Impacts (4th Element)
This is one example, how we use this concept to go beyond the traditional approach if desired. To get both stereo L/R suspension based sensations and improved representation of small-large bumps with a further deeper sensation for the whole cars chassis.
Keep in mind with this method we can also place the effects for the "Small/Medium/Large" bumps responses to the individual (Eg: 3x stereo layers) on the back of the seat and the 4th layer via BK units in the base of the seat.
It is this that helps give much-improved bumps (as one effect example) over having the traditional approach of single units trying to generate all the bumps (never mind other additional effects as well). The user can determine if they choose however to place these how/where they like with their own channel mapping.
So you can place all layers to a single unit or spread the layers over different units.
An example would be having small bumps to only one pair and if preferred large bumps to more than one pair. It gives the user more choices to custom define how each effect layer is represented/felt.
These effects and others will be shared in future...
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You can order them from Simlab directly, I've ordered all sort of custom length pieces from them. The prices are also quite okay. https://sim-lab.eu/product/aluminium-profile-40x40l/
This way you get exactly same looking parts as on your rig.
Mr Latte
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The problem with SImlabs seems to be a limited length of 1350mm
My rig needs to be longer with the custom isolation it uses. I have emailed a query for longer lengths.
I also need to determine with a P1 rig the width for the wheel deck but including the uprights.
My own rig also needs to be wider.
Appreciate if someone can answer/give this here...
A) internal dimensions between the uprights
B) complete dimensions of width with uprights (assuming 2x40mm = 80mm for uprights)
My rig needs to be longer with the custom isolation it uses. I have emailed a query for longer lengths.
I also need to determine with a P1 rig the width for the wheel deck but including the uprights.
My own rig also needs to be wider.
Appreciate if someone can answer/give this here...
A) internal dimensions between the uprights
B) complete dimensions of width with uprights (assuming 2x40mm = 80mm for uprights)
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They have the pdf's on their site showing the lengths of all the parts. Just look at the lengths of the cross pieces for the bottom and add 80mmThe problem with SImlabs seems to be a limited length of 1350mm
My rig needs to be longer with the custom isolation it uses. I have emailed a query for longer lengths.
I also need to determine with a P1 rig the width for the wheel deck but including the uprights.
My own rig also needs to be wider.
Appreciate if someone can answer/give this here...
A) internal dimensions between the uprights
B) complete dimensions of width with uprights (assuming 2x40mm = 80mm for uprights)
Edit - Looked it up for you
So that plus the 2x 40 mm , plus the 10mm sandwich plate gives you 600mm inside. And 680 then outer edge to outer edge.
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Mr Latte
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These are the types I usually go for.
They use quality components like "Neutrik" with selectable options and colours
A) 3.5mm Male Mini Jack - Stereo Male XLR
B) 3.5mm Male Mini Jack - Stereo 1/4" Male Jack
C) 1/4" Male Jack - Mono XLR (1x for each output)
Direct connection into Behringer NXD amp can be via option A or B
If needed, option "B" is useful to be used to route into a Behringer HA6000 from the soundcard and then from the HA6000 you can use option "C" to an amp.
EDIT: Correction Added For option "C"
They use quality components like "Neutrik" with selectable options and colours
A) 3.5mm Male Mini Jack - Stereo Male XLR
B) 3.5mm Male Mini Jack - Stereo 1/4" Male Jack
C) 1/4" Male Jack - Mono XLR (1x for each output)
Direct connection into Behringer NXD amp can be via option A or B
If needed, option "B" is useful to be used to route into a Behringer HA6000 from the soundcard and then from the HA6000 you can use option "C" to an amp.
EDIT: Correction Added For option "C"
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Perfect thanks for clarifyingThese are the types I usually go for.
They use quality components like "Neutrik" with selectable options and colours
A) 3.5mm Male Mini Jack - Stereo Male XLR
B) 3.5mm Male Mini Jack - Stereo 1/4" Male Jack
C) 1/4" Male Jack - Stereo Male XLR
Direct connection into Behringer NXD amp can be via option A or B
If needed, option "B" is useful to be used to route into a Behringer HA6000 from the soundcard and then from the HA6000 you can use option "C" to an amp.
The Romain Rob files, what game are they for? It says 'Any Game' but I can't get a signal in anything I've tried.
Mr Latte
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Copy and paste into the Simhub folder then Import the profile "Bassline Bass Shaker V13"
Should work. Just apply your own output channels for the effects you want.
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I must have the wrong profiles. I can't see anything listed as that name. Even in Simhub profile manager.
does today´s SimHub update cause a heavy impact performance?
Tested on Assetto Corsa Competizione, it causes a lot of stutter.
Tested on Assetto Corsa Competizione, it causes a lot of stutter.
What about this shaker:
Compared to DAEX32EP-4?
Bodyshaker Speaker : Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo
Bodyshaker Speaker : Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo
www.amazon.co.uk
Compared to DAEX32EP-4?
@tmbir I'm not sure that you can. If you find a way, let us know, I'd like to change my setup as that's how I have mine currently.
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Hi everyone!
New on the forum, for some years now in sim racing, new to acquire a P1-X chassis. My goal is to integrate Bass Shaker, and after long reading of the 90 pages, I start writing to you to let you know what I want.
I will start by equipping the bucket seat.
Behind the bucket: 8 x Dayton DAEX32EP-4
Below the seat: 2 x BK-Concert
Behringer EPQ304
Behringer HA6000
Behringer NX3000D
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
This configuration was advised several times on the forum by Mr Latte, whom I thank enormously in passing for all the research to be carried out, it is a real mine of information
.
On the side of the seat: 2 x BK-LFE
2 x TST 329 gold
Behringer NX6000D
Behringer NX1000D
Behringer HA6000
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
From what I remember, I will have to isolate the bucket seat from the chassis with block silents to effectively drive the vibrations. I already have my idea on the montage, I would come back with photos to put my idea in visual.
Once mounted it will be necessary to test each bass shaker by assigning them a Hz range in the Crossover of the amps.
My allocation scheme is as follows:
Below the seat:
1 BK-C for Road Impact
1 BK-C for RPM + Effect G (Mr Latte, to stipulate on the forum that he found that these 2 effect married well together)
8 Dayton: Speed, Gear Shift, RPM, Accel G-Force, DECEL G-Force
On the sides of the seat:
BK-LFE for Road Vibration, Road Texture
TST 329 for Wheel Lock, Wheel Speed
I would like to have your feedback, especially Mr. Latte if you have time (but the door is open to everyone of course). I was very much inspired by your writers. I tell myself to equip myself as I go along, but want to try to have the best possible immersion.
I then tell the story, equip the crankset and why not the brake part to mein and Shifter. And The icing on the cake will be SFX 100.
But there is a long way to go,
Thanks in advance for your help,
And sorry for my English, I use Google Translate
Dadz
New on the forum, for some years now in sim racing, new to acquire a P1-X chassis. My goal is to integrate Bass Shaker, and after long reading of the 90 pages, I start writing to you to let you know what I want.
I will start by equipping the bucket seat.
Behind the bucket: 8 x Dayton DAEX32EP-4
Below the seat: 2 x BK-Concert
Behringer EPQ304
Behringer HA6000
Behringer NX3000D
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
This configuration was advised several times on the forum by Mr Latte, whom I thank enormously in passing for all the research to be carried out, it is a real mine of information
.On the side of the seat: 2 x BK-LFE
2 x TST 329 gold
Behringer NX6000D
Behringer NX1000D
Behringer HA6000
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
From what I remember, I will have to isolate the bucket seat from the chassis with block silents to effectively drive the vibrations. I already have my idea on the montage, I would come back with photos to put my idea in visual.
Once mounted it will be necessary to test each bass shaker by assigning them a Hz range in the Crossover of the amps.
My allocation scheme is as follows:
Below the seat:
1 BK-C for Road Impact
1 BK-C for RPM + Effect G (Mr Latte, to stipulate on the forum that he found that these 2 effect married well together)
8 Dayton: Speed, Gear Shift, RPM, Accel G-Force, DECEL G-Force
On the sides of the seat:
BK-LFE for Road Vibration, Road Texture
TST 329 for Wheel Lock, Wheel Speed
I would like to have your feedback, especially Mr. Latte if you have time (but the door is open to everyone of course
). I was very much inspired by your writers. I tell myself to equip myself as I go along, but want to try to have the best possible immersion.I then tell the story, equip the crankset and why not the brake part to mein and Shifter. And The icing on the cake will be SFX 100.
But there is a long way to go,
Thanks in advance for your help,
And sorry for my English, I use Google Translate
Dadz
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