AC GT3 @ Monza - Sunday 7th February 2021

[doof205]

Hey Logan: Actually the reason I posted that was for this one reason - like me, you've been struggling to improve your times, and switched cars. I thought by seeing this you may be inspired to stick with it seeing that it can indeed produce fast times.

Peronsally I'm growing tired of the AMG. I normally do get bored and like to change things occasionally. (Ask me how many video games I've finished!) I just don't know what to switch to. I'm sure the Aliens could all drive AMGs and post a 1-2-3 result in them.

I think it's best to just stick to one and work to really understand it. I've stuck with the Porsche throughout and never even try the others because it'll only add confusion in my mind. Plus the Porsche sounds ace! As we've seems above the time lies largely with the driver.

@Chris Down if you find yourself with time I'd love to see what you could do in the Porsche in a handful of laps. It'd be interesting to see how close your times are between the cars. Obviously your experience with the 650 means you'll be a little way off but would love to see it if you have time.

 

[640er]

Hey Logan: Actually the reason I posted that was for this one reason - like me, you've been struggling to improve your times, and switched cars. I thought by seeing this you may be inspired to stick with it seeing that it can indeed produce fast times.

Peronsally I'm growing tired of the AMG. I normally do get bored and like to change things occasionally. (Ask me how many video games I've finished!) I just don't know what to switch to. I'm sure the Aliens could all drive AMGs and post a 1-2-3 result in them.

Haha the pile of shame. In the beginning I switched car every one or two races. It's nice to have some variety but it's not very helpful in finding those extra tenths.

 

[pattikins]

This will boggle your mind. Ernie was just using the SGC:View attachment 443178

As Chuck Yeager has said: 'Remember it's the man, not the machine.'

There is another way of interpreting the results. Ernie could be psyching out his competition along the lines: 'This is what I can do in the SCG, just imagine what I'm like in the Lambo'.

 

[Kek700]

I really enjoy setting up cars, pretty much know all the foibles in most of the Gt3 cars.
Not so keen on the racing or practicing.
But my advice is to try and stick with one car, your driving will constantly modify as time progresses. You need to try and alter the car to suit your driving style, as you improve.
I just circulate the track and try and spot what the car does, alter my driving style and if that does not change the situation, start to make changes to the car.
My aim is always stability, I want the car to be planted, no funny foibles, when that is or if it is achieved, I then start to address understeer or understeer.
I am flattered by your response, but I can say that I really am a very very average driver, probably more below.
There are many drivers on this forum who are just, well, quicker.
I have learnt to get the car always to work in my favour for 60 minutes of racing.
As I seem to be punted most races, as yet have not found a way around that one.
But “hey Ho” that at least makes the race more exciting.

Just to show what is achievable on Monza the SCG is so well balanced, that even a big mistake will only give a balanced slide, just a slight lift and correction and your away again, I think I only got into trouble once. I can hit the accelerator anywhere and not worry about loosing it, and the braking is only very slightly longer that most GT3 cars now.
If you keep loosing the car and blaming yourself, often it is the car setup not suiting your inputs.

 

[maxilogan]

Just to show what is achievable on Monza the SCG is so well balanced, that even a big mistake will only give a balanced slide, just a slight lift and correction and your away again, I think I only got into trouble once. I can hit the accelerator anywhere and not worry about loosing it, and the braking is only very slightly longer that most GT3 cars now.
If you keep loosing the car and blaming yourself, often it is the car setup not suiting your inputs.

That would be my aim as well, but I am definitely not good (yet?) at understanding the effects of the most advanced settings (coast and power diff, front / rear sway bar, etc.), I hope I will be able in the future to set the car so that is suits my driving needs

 

[RasmusP]

That would be ma aim as well, but I am definitely not good (yet?) at understanding the effects of the most advanced settings (coast and power diff, front / rear sway bar, etc.), I hope I will be able in the future to set the car so that is suits my driving needs

Diff is easy!
Power: 10%, always. Higher settings give you a bit more acceleration but are a lot more difficult to control. I always use 10%, screw that 1 tenth...

Coast: when you over rotate from braking until the apex, raise it. If you have understeer while not accelerating, lower it.
I'm mostly using 40-70%, depending on the car.
Very very important setting!

Sway bar = anti roll bar?
Softer = less jumping on kerbs for example and more grip in general but the car is more wobbly, leaning more so more difficult to control.
Or easier, when it's too stiff and jumping on kerbs.

I mostly use anti roll bars to dial in over/understeer during acceleration.

So with anti roll bars and coast Diff you can very nicely dial in over/understeer under acceleration and then block oversteer under braking/off-throttle with the coast setting.

 

[Kek700]

I even learnt something from Rasmus short article above, I’ll say anything to find out more information. Have made a knob of myself many times, but always always learn’t something from it.

 

[Enzo Fazzi]

Sign me up with the Lambo please

 

[Enzo Fazzi]

Sway bar = anti roll bar?
Softer = less jumping on kerbs for example and more grip in general but the car is more wobbly, leaning more so more difficult to control.
Or easier, when it's too stiff and jumping on kerbs.

Don't forget that front and rear ARB's have the opposite effect when going up and down

 

[Interslice]

Don't forget that front and rear ARB's have the opposite effect when going up and down

If I could advise one thing with setups it would be get an old fashioned pen and paper and write this type of info. Every day's a school day with it.

 

[Bertje]

I have to sign out. Due to the snowy weather here I cannot take a train home.. Sorry guys

 

[maxilogan]

I have to sign out. Due to the snowy weather here I cannot take a train home.. Sorry guys

You should've disabled "Allow seasonal adjustments" under shaders patch
Sorry for your inconvenient, jokes apart..

 

[thom462]

I really enjoy setting up cars, pretty much know all the foibles in most of the Gt3 cars.
Not so keen on the racing or practicing.
But my advice is to try and stick with one car, your driving will constantly modify as time progresses. You need to try and alter the car to suit your driving style, as you improve.
I just circulate the track and try and spot what the car does, alter my driving style and if that does not change the situation, start to make changes to the car.
My aim is always stability, I want the car to be planted, no funny foibles, when that is or if it is achieved, I then start to address understeer or understeer.
I am flattered by your response, but I can say that I really am a very very average driver, probably more below.
There are many drivers on this forum who are just, well, quicker.
I have learnt to get the car always to work in my favour for 60 minutes of racing.
As I seem to be punted most races, as yet have not found a way around that one.
But “hey Ho” that at least makes the race more exciting.

Just to show what is achievable on Monza the SCG is so well balanced, that even a big mistake will only give a balanced slide, just a slight lift and correction and your away again, I think I only got into trouble once. I can hit the accelerator anywhere and not worry about loosing it, and the braking is only very slightly longer that most GT3 cars now.
If you keep loosing the car and blaming yourself, often it is the car setup not suiting your inputs.

Just read all the SCG threads and thought why not give this car some laps at Monza, never tried that car much before. Within 5 laps I did a 1.48.8 with more or less standard setup which is not that far off of my pb. And as you said very forgiving and ultra quick on the straight. If I had more time to practice I even would have chosen Scg for todays Race. Maybe next time.

 

[Kek700]

Don't forget that front and rear ARB's have the opposite effect when going up and down

I’d like to pretend I was too smart to ask what you exactly mean.

what do you exactly mean.

 

[RasmusP]

I’d like to pretend I was too smart to ask what you exactly mean.

what do you exactly mean.

Front arb softer = oversteer
Rear arb softer = understeer

At least that's what I made from that kinda cryptic sentence haha.
Maybe I'm not intelligent enough either

 

[Kek700]

Been thinking ( dangerous ) with my small old brain, I think I may get it.
{ unlikly }
Going up (SOFT ARB ) means that the bump and soft front arb will not make the front jump but help it ride the bump better, but be slower on the rebound. But i assume that can be aided by the fast rebound.
But the rear is not so easy to understand, you do not want it to
to jump, with a possible oversteer, but you do not want to lose traction, you want it to return quickly for grip.
So in my ignorance i would assume for the rear that you need very cleaver fast damping or still run soft rear arb and again control its return to ground with fast rebound.

Fast bump probably plays a combining roll here with springs and arb. but it and the whole circuit are not so easy to quantify.

Am i still attached to plant earth or have i left for some far flung galaxy.

You rotter Rasmus while i am one finger typing your already there.

 

[Kek700]

Rasmus typing

me typing

 

[Enzo Fazzi]

That's indeed correct.
Softer rear ARB = More understeer (Rear doesn't rotate as easily)
Stiffer rear ARB = More oversteer (Rear likes to rotate)
Softer front ARB = More oversteer (More turn-in and less mid corner understeer)
Stiffer front ARB = More understeer (Less turn in, car is more stable during direction changes)

 

[adie_the_badie]

After reading through this I see the logic in staying with one car. Good thing you hadn't changed the sign-up list @Chris Down as I think I'll take the SCG back. Sorry if I'm being a pain
I've put a lot of time into the setup starting with Silverstone and tweaking it every race since. It kind of feels like cheating if I give up on it regardless of individual lap times because in reality they most likely even out and I'm not magically running Monza in the 1.40s switching to the Nissan.

On another note, please, don't think I've felt guilted or some other such reason to flip-flop on my decision with cars. All of your inputs and my liking of the SCG have made me rethink my approach to all of this. So, thanks!

See you all on track.

 

[Kek700]

Sway bar = anti roll bar?
Softer = less jumping on kerbs for example and more grip in general but the car is more wobbly, leaning more so more difficult to control.
Or easier, when it's too stiff and jumping on kerbs.


Don't forget that front and rear ARB's have the opposite effect when going up and down
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No still don’t get it, the reference was too kerbs and ARB.

the up and down bit.