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Excellent Peter. Thanx. I think the first time i set one up i just went straight to street racing as we were on the DC street circuit. I did have a look through some of the other classes but i didn't see any other minis.
Was starting to think i was going to have to delete the game and reinstall it or something....
I'll have a quick test when i'm home at lunch.
I have to say though, I did feel quite vindicated last night in the session with Chris. I knew there had to be something else going on when i had no problem doing a 1:33 instantly.
Even for the Washington race you should have selected Touring Cars Karl. Street racing clearly gives something very different.. a more banged up car by the sounds of it.
The time difference is not that great in these cars but the difference in handling is chalk and cheese Wes. If you have seen any of my posts you will realise it's something I am particularly miffed about.
I had some 10 lap races with Chris last night and found the untuned car to be fun to drive. I didn't have a problem being competitive with the AI and finished on the podium in all the races.My reposne as promised.... My gripe is not to do with the league, yourself or any other such matter but purely down to my disatisfaction with the way the game itself has been structured in such a way that disadvantages certain people. It just makes no sense to me but I am sure they had their reasons. But of course we have no way to change that so one of my favourite sayings comes to play ‘it is what it is…’ My initial feelings when I realised that full tuning capability was going to take some serious online time was that we should run the league at least initially in loaned or at least un-tuned cars so that we all raced on a level playing field. However, once everyone got so into buying and levelling up cars that was clearly something that would have been unfair. That has become more apparent since I have started fiddling around a little with the tuning options myself and found exactly what you had pointed out previously from your own early experiences with tuning that the cars were that much more fun to drive once you had them tuned to your own particular style. So of course that makes forcing everyone to run un-tuned a no-go.
The number of cars is fine as it is too. I am sure everyone will prefer the chance to run a greater number of cars over the course of the season rather than fewer and even with fewer I am doubtful it would make much difference in whether I got the required cars levelled up fully. The basic tuning just doesn’t provide the depth and refinement required to get the car feeling how I liked it, the increments are too great. Which of course is how it should be otherwise what would be the point of it. I guess they thought needing to acquire the levels would provide more of an incentive to get on and play the game online but neglected to take into account those who are not able to do so with such regularity. There should have been an alternative and I have sugested as such to them but I am sure it will not be something they could change at this stage.
Bottom line is that it is up to me to do one of three things.. 1) Drop the other facets of the game and spend that time in the levelling up process or 2) Find more time to play the game 3) Drop the online stuff (apart from the Challenges which are fun despite the un-tuned cars) and concentrate on the strongest parts of the game.
Option 1 is not a goer for me.. I enjoy the Challenges and Custom Cup modes of the game too much to want to drop them. Option 2 is a tough one. Splitting time between F1 2013 (with the Classic series still on the go as well making the time split even more) and Grid Autosport doesn’t make that any easier and with GA on a weekly schedule I can’t simply alternate between the two as was possible with the F1 Classic series and the modern series until more recent times (and I’m not suggesting a change to that either btw as I think everyone is happy running it each week). Option 3… again not something I would want to do but equally like you I am not sure I would relish 50+ laps in the un-tuned car every race. Might just give a long race in an un-tuned car a go just to see though.
I’ll just try to find an extra bit of time somehow to devote to just the levelling up process but at this time of year that’s tough to do, as explained elsewhere I am away after Friday (next week) and most of my time will be taken up on Summer stuff until the end of the month which will already see us closing in on halfway through the opening season.
Anyway, I am likely popping home for lunch again today to get in a few more Challenge runs so if you around let me know and maybe we can fit in a few levelling up races then.. it’ll be about 1pm my time. Unlikely I know but just in case
I too have an issue with this whole levelling-up-in-order-to-use-the-full-potential-of-the-car thing, and i had a little rant online with Chris about it last night. It's unsportsmanlike when you get right down to it, and that's what truly annoys me most. The time difference per lap may not be huge btwn a tuned car and an untuned car, but it's still there. It would be like racing in F1 with some cars that were able to change their downforce level and some cars that were not. That would be an unfair advantage.
Anyway, whtvr. I'll be racing here with an untuned car. I don't have the online exp. and always stay away from public lobbies so i don't see myself levelling up enough anytime soon. I tried a little bit last night with Chris around the Indy oval as laid out by Robert. Chris set up 5 races and let me win them... but it was boring and loading the screens took more time that the race. I levelled up a bit but not enough.
Good to know Karl, I have mainly driven un-tuned loan cars so know they are fun but was just not sure whether that fun would diminish with the length of race we run.
I have had two of those 1 lapper session, once with Robert, Chris and Railer and once with just me and Robert where we were also testing out wheel settings. Oh I defeinitely agree about the load screens. I had hoped installing the game to my HDD would speed them up but no they are still too slow.
I actually ran a few Indy one lappers on my own at lunchtime just to try to get in rythm in case Robert came online. I can't say they weren't a bit of fun but that was just a few while an hour or so of them would be a bit much lol.
What level have you achieved so far Karl? I have a Min and a Honda for the Endurance races. I tihk the Honda is at 14 and the Mini at 9.
wow... it didn't take the codies forum that long to deteriorate did it? (just like i suspected)
I've just had a quick browse of that thread mentioned.
I never bothered to set up another login and such for their new forum and haven't visited it in months. I can see i'm not missing out on anything. lol
I've just had a quick browse of that thread mentioned.
I never bothered to set up another login and such for their new forum and haven't visited it in months. I can see i'm not missing out on anything. lol
Oh and one other thing I spotted on there today.. although we are having Time Trial patched back inot the game apparently you can't select all cars or tracks in that mode of the game .
Loore Codemasters
Community Manager
July 31
Unfortunately it's down to technical limits, in particular surrounding the leaderboards, and how many we could potentially have. Each format has different limits which makes it even more difficult but ultimately it came down to a decision of what we have now, or nothing at all.
Yet another technical limit issue with the game!! You'd think we were running this game on a calculator with all the limits that keep being hit!!
.Loore Codemasters
July 31
Unfortunately it's down to technical limits, in particular surrounding the leaderboards, and how many we could potentially have. Each format has different limits which makes it even more difficult but ultimately it came down to a decision of what we have now, or nothing at all.
Yet another technical limit issue with the game!! You'd think we were running this game on a calculator with all the limits that keep being hit!!
LOL a Calculator!!!!Oh and one other thing I spotted on there today.. although we are having Time Trial patched back inot the game apparently you can't select all cars or tracks in that mode of the game
Loore CodemastersCommunity Manager
July 31
Unfortunately it's down to technical limits, in particular surrounding the leaderboards, and how many we could potentially have. Each format has different limits which makes it even more difficult but ultimately it came down to a decision of what we have now, or nothing at all.
Yet another technical limit issue with the game!! You'd think we were running this game on a calculator with all the limits that keep being hit!!
or better yet, one of those little calculator watches from the 80s... remember those? they had cool games on them as well
http://blog.gadgethelpline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/80s-calculator-watch.jpg
didn't forza have a ton of cars and a ton of tracks? didn't they have leaderboards for fast times and such?......
Really. Come on. Seriously.....
I know Karl, it's frustrating hearing the excuses.. I am not sure what cars and tracks we are limited to but whatever they are it's not what I expected.
Chris hit the nail on the head re the mirrors pointing out that we have actual working mirrors in F1 2013 so why at least a virtual mirror can't be included is baffling.
Chris hit the nail on the head re the mirrors pointing out that we have actual working mirrors in F1 2013 so why at least a virtual mirror can't be included is baffling.
It just takes a little patience and understanding. I was way lost in F1 for the longest time even with the ability to tune. I was probably worse off driving what *I* had tuned rather than the default. And then the new game came out and I was confused all over again. Granted, you can play with the tunes without having to do something you dislike, but not really, in my case. I had to spend hours upon hours on a track by myself trying to isolate what slider had what effect on what corner and on and on an on. I didn't particularly like it, but I had to do it if I wanted to be competitive or not embarrass myself. GRID is sort of like that but in reverse. The tunes are easy, it's just the getting them that's a pain in the ass. But I think back to what we all did to even qualify for F1 and in that amount of time, you could have virtually all of your cars leveled up, if we all just got together. You were on the right track Karl. And as far as the screens loading, well there is a trick to that....
Set the pre and post race times to 15 seconds when you create the game then ALL players hit the "A" button repeatedly after hitting the race button and you will be sent immediately to the track. Most times there is that one guy who just sits in the lobby and doesn't know, so we all wait a minute for the race to start. That's the 1/2 and 1/2 screen you see before the race. So you and Chris were on the right track, but probably waiting too long unnecessarily. Maybe not. But another point is this -- sure the MINI's and the BTCC cars are fine to drive if they are not tuned, but try getting into a Japanese Touring Series car or an Aussie V8 Supercar. They are virtually undrivable without a tune, especially on a track like Bathurst. I can guarantee you it will not be a fun race without tuning.
But if everyone wants to just drive the slow cars that anyone can drive straight, we can do that. I jst thought that the series should have more personality than that. But I'm fine with limiting it to 2 or 3 car types if that's what you want. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you will find that once the patch comes out, more players will hop online and you will be able to find races easier and also you will get better at creating them with a buddy. It really doesn't take that long. In fact, you can level up your car through the challenges. I already outlines how to do that. just slowly get better times. Two of the cars in our series have already been featured. I think one is this week. If you did that, you would be halfway there without even having to be in a race with a human. There are many avenues. I understand your frustration and I don't like it anymore than you all do, but the alternative is going to get awful messy and unrealistic (like an untuned F1 car but worse) real quick.I think there are probably 3 classes that could be driven even close to real handling without tuning. I'll be happy to limit the series to those cars if that' what most of us want. But I'd rather not drive a V8 Supercar without a tune. The powerful cars become closer to GRID2 when you do that, and that's not a good thing at all. Kind of like open wheel. I think we all said "WTF?!?!" when we first got in one untuned in a challenge, but Ive gotten to where an IndyCar can feel pretty damn close to F1 with the right tuning. (Not that we could ever buy one, but some sedans are like that too).
Anyway, that's my rant, but I'm open to suggestion. Maybe go through the list of cars and drive each untuned on Spa and see what you think. Heck, maybe you guys would be able to drive them, but I couldn't.
Set the pre and post race times to 15 seconds when you create the game then ALL players hit the "A" button repeatedly after hitting the race button and you will be sent immediately to the track. Most times there is that one guy who just sits in the lobby and doesn't know, so we all wait a minute for the race to start. That's the 1/2 and 1/2 screen you see before the race. So you and Chris were on the right track, but probably waiting too long unnecessarily. Maybe not. But another point is this -- sure the MINI's and the BTCC cars are fine to drive if they are not tuned, but try getting into a Japanese Touring Series car or an Aussie V8 Supercar. They are virtually undrivable without a tune, especially on a track like Bathurst. I can guarantee you it will not be a fun race without tuning.
But if everyone wants to just drive the slow cars that anyone can drive straight, we can do that. I jst thought that the series should have more personality than that. But I'm fine with limiting it to 2 or 3 car types if that's what you want. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you will find that once the patch comes out, more players will hop online and you will be able to find races easier and also you will get better at creating them with a buddy. It really doesn't take that long. In fact, you can level up your car through the challenges. I already outlines how to do that. just slowly get better times. Two of the cars in our series have already been featured. I think one is this week. If you did that, you would be halfway there without even having to be in a race with a human. There are many avenues. I understand your frustration and I don't like it anymore than you all do, but the alternative is going to get awful messy and unrealistic (like an untuned F1 car but worse) real quick.I think there are probably 3 classes that could be driven even close to real handling without tuning. I'll be happy to limit the series to those cars if that' what most of us want. But I'd rather not drive a V8 Supercar without a tune. The powerful cars become closer to GRID2 when you do that, and that's not a good thing at all. Kind of like open wheel. I think we all said "WTF?!?!" when we first got in one untuned in a challenge, but Ive gotten to where an IndyCar can feel pretty damn close to F1 with the right tuning. (Not that we could ever buy one, but some sedans are like that too).
Anyway, that's my rant, but I'm open to suggestion. Maybe go through the list of cars and drive each untuned on Spa and see what you think. Heck, maybe you guys would be able to drive them, but I couldn't.
If you guys see me online let's practice so we can get to the level we/you/I need to tune them. I will race bone stock or tuned it doesn't matter. I agree with some of the frustration on here the time it takes to level up your cars, but that's just the fun/frustration of the game. Personally I enjoy just driving any and all of the cars. Good think they don't have racing lawnmowers, heck I would race it .
ok thanks peter.. i did read some yes but not too much orelse i will not play the game anymore lol. some really bad things about this game. also no sectortimes or laptimes, and that stupid onlinelevel to setup a car.. tonight i test the minis at indy(without setup), see if i like it..
so a 1.32 is a time to aim at?
ok thanks, if im not below 1.40 i sell the game lol. and the cars react the same online and offline i hope
If you are not below 1:40 Wes i'll buy your game lol
I had a quick 3 lap race in Touring Car class when i was home at lunch.... 1:34 easy, no tuning. And the AI are much more fun here than in Street....
We didn't race in "Street" and will not ever in this league. I agree that those A.I. are a big too aggressive, but I still don't think it' a game breaker. Sometimes I like that style. I'm not sure what they are trying to simulate, because I don't know of any strictly "street" series.
Jeeze Karl. You are a damned sandbagger. I'm calling it now. lol. I can do pretty consistent 1:33 laps, but can't get into 1:32 very often. And that's with a tune. This game reminds me so much of Race Pro in that there are so many flaws (different, but still flaws) yet they all seem to melt away when I'm playing the game and driving. It feels so real. Much more so than F1, although I have nothing to compare there since I have not driven on of those beasts.
I don't know what to do about the tuning vs. no tuning issue other than to leave it alone for now. Put it to a vote? Or assume if folks really want the full experience, they will make the sacrifices? Let's wait until they patch it. If the tuning thing is a deal-breaker for anyone, then say the word and we can take a poll, but nobody could just sit on the fence.
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