2012 Formula One Spanish Grand Prix

[Diego Lopez]

thats the rules. He is thinking in the Logical way. His point being whats the difference (taking the rules out). Exactly I see no point either, glad im no related to anyone in the FIA since those names are stained.

He can complain on both accounts. Because the stewarts MADE the decision BASED on the rules. Pretty much both, rules are there, but is UP to the stewarts to make the final call in the end. LOLed

 

[Metalfreaky]

If it´s after Qualifying then it´s not ok. If it´s after the race then it´s ok.

Like it matters one bit.

Read the rules! It matters according to them. Why is it so hard to understand?
I don't say it should matter, but the rules are quite clear.
Like Markus said: complain about the rules then, not the penalty

technical problem? running out of fuel is not technical then? what would of fall under if its not technical? engine problem? cant really come up with other words, just saying.

How the heck is not putting enough fuel in the car a technical issue? A technical issue would be if there was a leak or something else.
According to you spinning out would also be a technical issue?

 

[Hampus Andersson]

According to the rules it does. What more's to say?

That´s it´s a bullshit rule that should not exist and that the penalties for it is ridiculous.

and if it should exist then it should exist for ALL SESSIONS.

And not getting disqualified it´s ridiculous.

 

[Rokas Charlapavicius]

McLaren are on their way for breaking the record of most stupid pit mistakes in a season.

 

[Tamás Fóth]

Some people are totaly compulsive here. Its annoying.

 

[Hampus Andersson]

According to the rules FIA can choose whatever penalty they want, no matter if two incidents are exactly the same.

31.6
In the event of a driving infringement during any practice session the Stewards may drop the
driver such number of grid positions as they consider appropriate. Unless it is completely clear
that a driver committed a driving infringement any such incident will normally be investigated
after the relevant session.
Where appropriate, regard will also be given to the provisions of Article 18.1.

31.7
Any driver taking part in any practice session who, in the opinion of the stewards, stops
unnecessarily on the circuit or unnecessarily impedes another driver shall be subject to the
penalties referred to in Article 31.6.

18.1
The stewards may inflict the penalties specifically set out in these Sporting Regulations in
addition to or instead of any other penalties available to them under the Code.

18.2
Any driver who receives three reprimands in the same Championship season will, upon the
imposition of the third, be given a ten grid place penalty at that Event. If the third reprimand is
imposed following an Incident during a race the ten grid place penalty will be applied at the
driver’s next Event.
The ten grid place penalty will only be imposed if at least two of the reprimands were imposed
for a driving infringement.

Bold text = Grey zone deluxe

 

[Markus Neumann]

You're constantly switching between legalistic ("the rule is not being applied properly") and moralistic ("the rule sucks") arguments. Could you at least settle on one?

 

[Chris Jenkins]

So the lesson learned today...
If you're short of fuel at the end of qualifying, stick it in the gravel!

I know rules are rules but this seems like a harsh penalty.

 

[Diego Lopez]

So the lesson learned today...
If you're short of fuel at the end of qualifying, stick it in the gravel!

I know rules are rules but this seems like a harsh penalty.

yeah thats what... ummm we are all saying.

 

[Hampus Andersson]

You're constantly switching between legalistic ("the rule is not being applied properly") and moralistic ("the rule sucks") arguments. Could you at least settle on one?

How about both.

The above shows that FIA has 100% total control over the penalty. There is no "if you do this, you will get this penalty"

If two drivers breaks the rules in the same way they could apply to completely different penalties.
And nobody could say sh*t.

 

[Chris Jenkins]

Alright chill out

 

[Hampus Andersson]

There´s also a massive loophole in the fuel issue.

Techincally you can go out underfueled, do your fastest time, come back in the pits, refuel the car, cruise around one lap then into the pits again and give FIA the fuel sample.

Funny how most people don´t react when he gets a penalty that is being applied for people are are doing some of the worst things you can do in F1 sporting wise.

Not making it to the pits? Maximum penalty i say!
Had it been in the 50´s he would probably been hanged from a tree or something.

 

[Markus Neumann]

How about both.

And that is precisely the reason we've been talking at cross purposes for 11 pages

 

[Kennett Ylitalo]

Just read this, it's from finnish newsite:

Hamilton has been disqulfied from the qualifying results. Reason is that there was not enough fuel for inspections.

I trust that some of you guys find more info on this, my source is Iltalehti and very short article. Personally i believe that the race director race director wants the cars to make it back to pits, they were looking for an example and Hamilton was unfortunate enough to be once again reprimanded.. Or it was just poor calculation from McLaren.

EDIT: Oh, there's like hundred pages of this stuff in the race thread... Thought someone would make a new one for such big news... Not everyone like to shuffle thru pages and pages full of rant.

 

[Bradley Vanian]

Really ? I never knew this. Not like there has been a discussion about this for the last 8 or so pages on the Event Discussion Thread

 

[Dmitry Zaharov]

There´s also a massive loophole in the fuel issue.

Techincally you can go out underfueled, do your fastest time, come back in the pits

How you can go back if you have not enough fuel to do so?

 

[Kennett Ylitalo]

So the news is buried in page 10 and then the rant begins and some wiseass mocks me of not knowing that... Really thought that this is big enough to deserve a new thread..

EDIT: i thought that when nazis are mentioned, the topic becomes useless.. Really ashamed of you guys, don't even want to read thru it...

 

[Ivan Mills]

I agree Keneth......a penalty is a penalty. No need to involve Hitler ,the Nazies,the Hollacaust etc ,etc.

Clearly this was out of LH's hands..he drove his heart out in all of Q,yet the Team lets him down again .......his slate is clean... it all falls on the Team Principle shoulders...and thats where it should end

I generally dont mind M.Whitmarsh(in fact ive been sympathetic,since he isnt as arrogant),but frankly im beginning to question this fella's judgment and decision making

 

[Chris Jenkins]

Hamilton would've made it back to the pits, just without the required 1 litre minimum for the FIA fuel sample.
So Hampus's point is that they could under fuel the car like they did with Hamilton, but earlier in the session so he can go back to the pits, refuel, go back out on a slow lap leaving plenty of fuel left.

 

[Jordi Casademunt]

Does anyone know if they take the fuel sample after the qualifying session is over, or everytime the car returns to boxes? There might be no loophole at all.

And mind you, I'm not Hamilton's biggest fan, and this penalty was bull, and way too harsh. I do think he deserved a penalty, but at most, he should have been dropped to 11th (as if he hadn't taken part in Q3). Also, ruling that doesn't specify a clear penalty for an infraction is just ridiculous, and shouldn't be part of a supposedly high profile sport like Formula 1.

Also, if Vettel or Schumacher get to the podium because of tyres strategies, it will show that there's something really wrong with these tyres, if they are rewarding not bothering with qualifying at all. It was almost as bad as Suzuka last year.