2008 RD Touring Car Championship (RACE 07)

[Samuel Libeert]

I did a few laps and I did 1.45.279, good lap with some error and I think 1.44 is possible

I put a video of my lap later

 

[Samuel Libeert]

Hot Lap Samuel Libeert 1.45.279

Video 1.45.279SamuelLibeert - Samuel, Libeert, Race, 07 - Dailymotion Share Your Videos

 

[Danny Engels]

And when it's possible you can also upload your setup

well done!

 

[Danny Engels]

Na na na, is it a cut at the end of the chicane?

Anyway, great lap!

 

[Samuel Libeert]

I also think but I win anything or 1 tenth maybe

 

[Samuel Libeert]

i will try the setup to Christian Haba

 

[Jacco Cornelissen]

Very nice to watch
Maybe indeed a little cut but still very fast

 

[William Yunck]

Sorry Guys,
I didn't read any announcements due to me having a weekend also. :o I just jumped into the server last night and then did my post. I'm an idiot.
Sorry again and thankyou for everything.
William.

 

[Bram Hengeveld]

Lol arent we all idiots

 

[Attila Domján]

bah, once i thought maybe the BMW advantage will not hurt that much on this track, and then bang... lol

nice time Samuel

 

[Attila Domján]

Samuel,

Before i say anything, you must know i respect you in all the way as a driver, you have unbelievable talent for simracing etc etc etc..


But....


I dont know what else to do to make people aware of the rules then what we did already.

First of all the League rules, which says 2 wheels on the track, do not touch thigns behind the curb with your wheel (grass, sand, etc...)
http://forum.racedepartment.com/wtcc-news/3954-league-format-schedule-rulebook.html

Then i made specifically for this round a re-freshment post about cutting rules, fearing the worst, specifially pointing out even with pictures the most critical parts of the tracks, including the chicane:
http://forum.racedepartment.com/wtcc-news/4680-%5Bnews%5D-estoril-cutting-rules-refreshment.html

Also in the track guide video if you listen carefully we specifically asked everybody to take care not to cut:
http://forum.racedepartment.com/racedepartment-tv/4767-episode-14-estoril-hotlap.html#post102712

After all these warnings may i ask you what you expect from the race direction to do now with you and your pre-qualy time? Even if there would not be anything else then just the rules it should be enough to avoid especially what you did at the chicane.
Most sadly as you say maybe you did not even win too much time there, so why oh why you must have done it????


Previous cases the standard procedure was, add time penalty for the pre-qualy time (amount depending of the seriousness and times of the cuts, from 0.5 to 3 sec), and freeze the player, not to allow any further laps to make.

Since you posted your lap very openly, not wanting to hide away with it, I will also put this question very open to you: What would you do if you would been Race Director in this case?

 

[Samuel Libeert]

I would like to return to a point that is the cutting of this shift

seeing slow motion and video, I see that I cut

but when I ride I can not see it, I know very well that there are rules, I did not make it so cut

Now if you want to save for a 0.5 to 3 sec and freeze me

go there

know that I would not be disappointed

I am 1 or 20 th in prequalif is not a problem, my goal is to be a G1

 

[Attila Domján]

C mon Samuel, do not get picky on this.

But what you must understand, we are working our ass off here to organize the things which provides a fair and equal conditions for the League, just look back at the links i posted.

And to see that our efforts to publish it is not considered at all is somewhat more then sad, especially from such a great racer as you are.

 

[Peter Eriksson]

I think when your tires stay on the tarmac you are not cutting

Hehe i know the rules but i did not know if i made a clear lap becouse i dont have any replay to look at i think it was clean but dont know

 

[Samuel Libeert]

do what you have to do and know that I am not disappointed

the rules are the rules

 

[Simon Trendell]

I never knew it was possible to get the Alfa to turn in enough to cut a corner

 

[Attila Domján]

Just to be clear, it will be not me who will decide this, it is a team of Race Directors.

 

[Luc Frachon]

Atti, just to add my 2 pence, sometimes it is very hard to judge whether you are cutting or not from within the car, and you only realise when watching the replay. Also (speaking for myself here) not all of us are aliens with outstanding car control, which means that we can sometimes go a bit closer to the grass than we were trying to, and as I said you only know for certain from the replay.

So that's a wider question then: how to handle unintentional cuts? Is the server able to cancel that particular lap and use the second best recorded lap (provided it is clean) instead?

 

[Clive Siggs]

Well my view would be to check the server replay as by this video, this was not Samuel's fast lap................or am I wrong?

Watching the video the time says 1:45.6xx at the end of the lap i think

 

[Samuel Libeert]

lol you want my replay ? video is bad i think