Misc True to Life AI 2013 Season 1.4

ParkYongLee · Aug 8, 2013

Hm, maybe it's an issue with specific circuits. As I stated before in Melbourne (dry) I use 3/3 and have the same pace as the AI, now I am racing Melbourne under light rain and use 1/3 and have the same speed as the AI. So here the AI is not slower in corners and not faster on the straight (still the AI does not use wet setup, I'd say

) and does not brake too early, so it's not using the same setup as in dry race ... strange why it's in Sepang (maybe on other circuits with more equal corners as well, after all we don't race so much under rain condition)

RowingAce · Aug 8, 2013

the way the AI cars drive around the track is mostly determined by the ai_vehicle_track file for each track.
In there are values for dry and wet conditions for each corner, also the braking distances for every corner and dry and wet seperately.
Those values aren't balanced out very well, so it appears, that AI cars are competitive to a certain setup on one track, and faster or slower than the same setup on another track or even the same track in wet conditions.
I am working on a 2013 performance mod and it is a hell of a lot testing and fine-tuning ...

kartana · Aug 8, 2013

snthennumbers said:
Something didn't get installed correctly then, everything needed for the Nurburgring to work is included with the main download of this mod. Istanbul is the only separate download. No one else is having crashing issues.

The one shot qualifying issue I'm trying to fix though. but the crashing issue should not be happening if you've installed everything correctly.

I'm having the same issue with the Nürburgring in Career mode. I did a clean F1 2012 install, then installed the 2013 mod and then your AI mod. The game crashes while loading the track.

snthennumbers · Aug 8, 2013

kartana said:
I'm having the same issue with the Nürburgring in Career mode. I did a clean F1 2012 install, then installed the 2013 mod and then your AI mod. The game crashes while loading the track.

Does it crash if you do a quick race at Nurburgring? The only issues I have with Nurburgring is once in a while it will sit at a black screen if I do a flying lap. But restarting the game clears it up every time.

kartana · Aug 8, 2013

glubb2010 said:
Hi, I had the same problem. Then, first i Install this Mod http://www.racedepartment.com/forum/threads/nürburgring-istanbul-park.72104/ , then overwrite with the 4.1 Version, now it works.

Thank you, that did work. Maybe snthennumbers could check why this is the case?

Scott Tanner · Aug 8, 2013

snthennumbers said:
Something didn't get installed correctly then, everything needed for the Nurburgring to work is included with the main download of this mod. Istanbul is the only separate download. No one else is having crashing issues.

The one shot qualifying issue I'm trying to fix though. but the crashing issue should not be happening if you've installed everything correctly.

I have re downloaded your mod just to make sure that I copy all the folders in the zip file over to my installation. Perhaps I missed something important the last time perhaps.

After opening the zip I copied all the folders and copied them into my install but i still get the crash on the loading screen now that I am at Nurburgring in my career.

Ill do a Steam verify to reset to default then try a fresh 2013 mod install, then re add you mod to see if that will do anything to help me race Germany.

Scott Tanner · Aug 8, 2013

kartana said:
Thank you, that did work. Maybe snthennumbers could check why this is the case?

I just did this also and now i can race Germany. I copied all the files in thezip except the database as i want the real AI database in there. Perhaps the tracks included in your AI mod arent correct compared to the http://www.racedepartment.com/forum/threads/nürburgring-istanbul-park.72104/ version?

Scott Tanner · Aug 8, 2013

So that you may understand why i and some others had issues with Germany I will explain what i did from scratch.
I had a fresh 2012.I added the main parts of the 2013 mod then chose the tyre gfx I wanted then installed your AI mod and updated it right up to version before the new tracks arrived. It worked flawlessly. Then your new version 4.1 came out and i added the update from the zip.I didn't add the Nurburgring+Istanbul mod and just had you Nurburgring version as part of your zip. Germany crashed when I got to that track on a new career season as I started again because the save file was corrupt.
Today i added the Nurburgring+Istanbul mod http://www.racedepartment.com/forum/threads/nürburgring-istanbul-park.72104/ on top of 2013 plus your 4.1 which crashed at Germany, but it now works at Germany. So i wonder if that the missing Istanbul was causing the issue even though I hadn't got there yet.

Perhaps not but as your mod has Nurburgring included i didn't think i needed the separate tracks as i hadn't reached Istanbul yet but now I have added them both after and iot works i wonder what might be wrong with the 4.1 which just includes Germany.

It might be nothing but i wanted to explain what i did up till the crashes in case it helped you work out why myself and others have had issue with 4.1

Thanks again for your efforts i love this mod so much
Cheers

ParkYongLee · Aug 8, 2013

aagancia said:
default values usually gives you only 1 stop on a 50% race.

No wonder I was used to 2 stops, I had the values already to 50% for dry and 60% for wet tyres ;D

whitewash · Aug 9, 2013

snthennumbers said:
I'm thinking it may be related to adjusted braking points combined with the lack of grip from wet weather. However I haven't adjusted any braking points for Suzuka... Does it happen if you do a quick race set to wet weather? (aka not dynamic weather, just forced rain)

I just tried a 25% wet weather race. Didnt see any car spin, not sure what the hell happened during my previous race.

These are Hamilton's lap times (who won the race from pole and had clean track the entire race)

These are mine (I started 9th I think and spent some time behind three AI cars for most of the race to check their behavior)

These are Alonso's (finished third)

What I have noticed is that the AI doesnt make any particular mistake, however they are REALLY slow in the hairpin entry, so slow that I bumped into them nearly every lap. Also they seem to brake for apparently no reason in the second part of spoon curve.

Hope it helps.

I will try another race with light rain and see if anything weird happens.

snthennumbers · Aug 9, 2013

Scott Tanner said:
So that you may understand why i and some others had issues with Germany I will explain what i did from scratch.
I had a fresh 2012.I added the main parts of the 2013 mod then chose the tyre gfx I wanted then installed your AI mod and updated it right up to version before the new tracks arrived. It worked flawlessly. Then your new version 4.1 came out and i added the update from the zip.I didn't add the Nurburgring+Istanbul mod and just had you Nurburgring version as part of your zip. Germany crashed when I got to that track on a new career season as I started again because the save file was corrupt.
Today i added the Nurburgring+Istanbul mod http://www.racedepartment.com/forum/threads/nürburgring-istanbul-park.72104/ on top of 2013 plus your 4.1 which crashed at Germany, but it now works at Germany. So i wonder if that the missing Istanbul was causing the issue even though I hadn't got there yet.

Perhaps not but as your mod has Nurburgring included i didn't think i needed the separate tracks as i hadn't reached Istanbul yet but now I have added them both after and iot works i wonder what might be wrong with the 4.1 which just includes Germany.

It might be nothing but i wanted to explain what i did up till the crashes in case it helped you work out why myself and others have had issue with 4.1

Thanks again for your efforts i love this mod so much
Cheers

Alright I know 100% it's you guys now.
I verified files through steam, waited and confirmed Steam downloaded and replaced all files 100%
I then downloaded v1tek's 2013 mod, unzipped it, and installed the necessary files.
I then downloaded my own mod from this site, unzipped it, and installed the files as per the instructions for the 2013 Season version.
I then downloaded my Istanbul track files from the overview page and installed those.
I started a new Career, skipped every race except Melbourne until I got to Germany (after Great Britain). The Nurburgring track loaded just fine, qualified in 8th in my Force India, did a 25% race. No issues. Went on to the rest of the season without issue and didn't have any issues loading any other tracks throughout the rest of the season.
If I can do it with simple copying&pasting and confirming to overwrite files like you're supposed to be doing, you can do it too. There's nothing wrong with the install files.

snthennumbers · Aug 9, 2013

snthennumbers updated True to Life AI with a new update entry:

The Complete Package

Not everything in this mod is my work, for all authors see my overview page and v1tek's 2013 Season Mod overview page here:
http://www.racedepartment.com/forum/resources/f1-2013-season-mod.200/

I'm getting tired of people having installation issues, so this is a complete 2013 Season package. I hope all the authors realize I'm doing this purely for simplicity's sake so that we have a working package for a legitimate 2013 Season mod.
Please note this contains only the...

Read the rest of this update entry...

luismfm · Aug 9, 2013

snthennumbers said:
snthennumbers updated True to Life AI with a new update entry:

The Complete Package

Read the rest of this update entry...

Enjoy your holidays!

Many thanks.

ParkYongLee · Aug 9, 2013

Btw. @aagancia I tried your tyre stuff yesterday (well I had the tyre wear for dry tyres already set to 50% and wet to 60%) and it works in a common race (not like Fr/Sa/Su light rain) really great. Before I did two stops even knowing the tyres weren't near their limit but when I pit now, my tyres are darkorange, near red so I don't even drive longer than I set the stops up at the beginning. Thanks for sharing, now I can set up different stop strategies than the AI does, had a really interesting 50% race yesterday night ^__^

Scott Tanner · Aug 9, 2013

snthennumbers said:
Alright I know 100% it's you guys now.
I verified files through steam, waited and confirmed Steam downloaded and replaced all files 100%
I then downloaded v1tek's 2013 mod, unzipped it, and installed the necessary files.
I then downloaded my own mod from this site, unzipped it, and installed the files as per the instructions for the 2013 Season version.
I then downloaded my Istanbul track files from the overview page and installed those.
I started a new Career, skipped every race except Melbourne until I got to Germany (after Great Britain). The Nurburgring track loaded just fine, qualified in 8th in my Force India, did a 25% race. No issues. Went on to the rest of the season without issue and didn't have any issues loading any other tracks throughout the rest of the season.
If I can do it with simple copying&pasting and confirming to overwrite files like you're supposed to be doing, you can do it too. There's nothing wrong with the install files.

Good news on the update. My install process was almost identical but i didnt add the Istanbul track as i didn't think it would cause issues as I hadn't got there in the championship yet and by not doing this it appears then that Germany wouldn't load properly either. Now that you have added both tracks this should stop the issues with other users.
Thanks again for your awesome mod.

Mr Anthony · Aug 9, 2013

I really fail to understand how people were having problems installing this mod. The instructions were very clear, and very precise for both V1Teks mod, and yours.
But hey, at least that shouldn't be a problem anymore.

Thanks for this, makes me debate whether it's worth buying the 2013 game now!

snthennumbers · Aug 9, 2013

Scott Tanner said:
Good news on the update. My install process was almost identical but i didnt add the Istanbul track as i didn't think it would cause issues as I hadn't got there in the championship yet and by not doing this it appears then that Germany wouldn't load properly either. Now that you have added both tracks this should stop the issues with other users.
Thanks again for your awesome mod.

One thing to note - Istanbul is not part of the 2013 Season. That track is just there for quick race & fun purposes only. You won't race at Istanbul during Career mode.
But at any rate, this Alpha version contains everything needed to make the vanilla 2012 game into the 2013 season so it's just easier

Once aagancia finishes the rest of the tracks with 2013 DRS zones we should have a fully working 2013 Season mod