Tactile Immersion - General Discussion - Hardware & Software

[jamescarruthers]

@Tom_Hampton did you find the original adhesive difficult to remove completely before applying the dual lock?

With a razor blade it’s reasonably easy to get off - if you really want to.

it’s quite tacky - do you can roll it off once it’s started to come away.

 

[EsxPaul]

I'm starting to wish I didn't cheap out on my seat choice. I've got a bottom of the range Corbeau which has a strange pattern moulded into it which will limit the placement somewhat. I'm glad I only have to find a home for 4 exiters at the moment.

 

[CRMS]

Recently changed my sim rig and opted once again to have the shakers directly attached to the car seat.

Interesting. And you can feel the difference between the 4 through the seat??

 

[Tom_Hampton]

I'm starting to wish I didn't cheap out on my seat choice. I've got a bottom of the range Corbeau which has a strange pattern moulded into it which will limit the placement somewhat. I'm glad I only have to find a home for 4 exiters at the moment.

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Hmm....you might search used racecar parts. Composite seats have a limited race life (the cert expire after 5 years)...without addition structural support. So, many people sell them off and replace new.

 

[ScreaminBejesus]

From what I've seen, doing the 2 on the bolster of the seat makes quite a big difference as well. My plan is this for the 8 that I will be attaching.

Edit: Those arrows indicate under the legs on the front of the seat.
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This looks like a good plan and is probably what I would go with if using only exciters. In my case, I have BK Adv transducers on right behind the seat on the left and right rails and a BK LFE under the seat near the knees, so I’m just using the Dayton exciters at the shoulders and outside of the front of the leg section, as you’ve shown here.

 

[vanka472]

I'm starting to wish I didn't cheap out on my seat choice. I've got a bottom of the range Corbeau which has a strange pattern moulded into it which will limit the placement somewhat. I'm glad I only have to find a home for 4 exiters at the moment.

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Although an odd shape, still looks like there are some solid choices there for the exciters. I think with them being so small, you should still be able to get away with placing them in the most popular spots.

 

[ScreaminBejesus]

From what I've seen, doing the 2 on the bolster of the seat makes quite a big difference as well. My plan is this for the 8 that I will be attaching.

Edit: Those arrows indicate under the legs on the front of the seat.

It may be easier to show than describe how I plan to arrange mine. The two BK4 units along the rails handle stereo separated effects at low frequency. The LFE and TST in the middle split duty for mono effects at low and mid-frequency, respectively. The DAE around the shoulders and knees are for stereo separated higher frequency effects. The BK4 are on the seat rails. Everything else is attached directly to the seat.

 

[vanka472]

It may be easier to show than describe how I plan to arrange mine. The two BK4 units along the rails handle stereo separated effects at low frequency. The LFE and TST in the middle split duty for mono effects at low and mid-frequency, respectively. The DAE around the shoulders and knees are for stereo separated higher frequency effects. The BK4 are on the seat rails. Everything else is attached directly to the seat.

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Wow that looks great! I keep going back on forth with a design similar to this (more about the parts you used), but can't seem to decide. Under the pretense that 2 smaller units provide a large division of power and more of a stero output, running 2 BK4's instead of one BK-Concert seems to be a better option. Yet I see more people running single concerts instead. I guess there is the whole understanding of how much power is needed and utilized throughout as well. More amps=more money. By the way, I'm not sure if you are stateside, but I see Concerts for the same price as the LFE's all the time, brand new on eBay, which might be more bang for your buck!

 

[ScreaminBejesus]

Wow that looks great! I keep going back on forth with a design similar to this (more about the parts you used), but can't seem to decide. Under the pretense that 2 smaller units provide a large division of power and more of a stero output, running 2 BK4's instead of one BK-Concert seems to be a better option. Yet I see more people running single concerts instead. I guess there is the whole understanding of how much power is needed and utilized throughout as well. More amps=more money. By the way, I'm not sure if you are stateside, but I see Concerts for the same price as the LFE's all the time, brand new on eBay, which might be more bang for your buck!

I started a build thread that will cover my thought process, feedback I received from @Mr Latte along the way, component selection, and how everything is fitting together. It’s still awaiting admin approval to become visible, and but I’ll provide a link here when it’s up. Mine is probably not going to be the most cost-effective solution, but I’m trying to follow principles of dividing labor among the transducers and asking them each to focus on what they best deliver. I’m running the 4 larger units from a pair of Behringer NX3000D amps and the 4 exciters from an EPQ304.

Yes, I am in the US and when I checked most recently the LFE and Concert units were the same price here. As far as I can tell, the only difference is that the LFEs are 8 Ohm and the Concerts are 4 Ohm.

 

[vanka472]

I started a build thread that will cover my thought process, feedback I received from @Mr Latte along the way, component selection, and how everything is fitting together. It’s still awaiting admin approval to become visible, and but I’ll provide a link here when it’s up. Mine is probably not going to be the most cost-effective solution, but I’m trying to follow principles of dividing labor among the transducers and asking them each to focus on what they best deliver. I’m running the 4 larger units from a pair of Behringer NX3000D amps and the 4 exciters from an EPQ304.

Yes, I am in the US and when I checked most recently the LFE and Concert units were the same price here. As far as I can tell, the only difference is that the LFEs are 8 Ohm and the Concerts are 4 Ohm.

I look forward to it! Do you know how much you picked up your 3000D for? I was wondering if they ever go on sale and such.

 

[Brutal Deluxe]

I'm starting to wish I didn't cheap out on my seat choice. I've got a bottom of the range Corbeau which has a strange pattern moulded into it which will limit the placement somewhat. I'm glad I only have to find a home for 4 exiters at the moment.

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You can do fine with that... 2 near shoulders, 2 near kidneys. I've got similar mouldings on my SimLab seat and still have plenty of options for placement.

PS - Nice wheel!

 

[EsxPaul]

You can do fine with that... 2 near shoulders, 2 near kidneys. I've got similar mouldings on my SimLab seat and still have plenty of options for placement.

PS - Nice wheel!

Cheers mate! My very scientific research so far composes of me sitting and feeling the 4 places where I think my body presses firmest against the seat. With that, I think I'll start with 2 under the back of my knees and 2 in the mid back region.

Some of the mentioned 3M dual lock tape sounds like a good idea so I can do some future testing.

 

[ScreaminBejesus]

I look forward to it! Do you know how much you picked up your 3000D for? I was wondering if they ever go on sale and such.

The build thread is visible now here:

Build Report: Tactile Immersion in Motion

The NX3000D retails for just under $400. I haven't seen it on sale.

 

[vanka472]

The build thread is visible now here:

Build Report: Tactile Immersion in Motion

The NX3000D retails for just under $400. I haven't seen it on sale.

Thanks, same price I've seen it for around here as well.

The thread looks awesome, and it reads very well, I look forward to following your journey. (didn't comment there in case you wanted a few consecutive post spots). Cheers!

 

[EsxPaul]

@ScreaminBejesus

Like @vanka472 I didn't want to interrupt the flow of your personal build thread so I'll place my compliments on what looks like a great job you've done in here for now. Looks like you've done a great job with what I've seen so far and I'll be following with interest

 

[ScreaminBejesus]

Thanks, @vanka472 and @EsxPaul. I’ve added placeholders for the content I plan to share to set things up before seeking advice. So please feel free to comment.

 

[Dan Costa]

Interesting. And you can feel the difference between the 4 through the seat??

Yes, specially the rear ones

 

[vanka472]

So....the journey begins:

Amp:

HiFi Bluetooth 5.0 Digital Power Amplifier Stereo 2 / 4 Channel Audio Amp 50W×4

One group of stereo RCA (CH3 and CH4) can be used as audio input or output by switching the selector, to acheive different demands

www.doukaudio.com

Exciters (4x):

Home

Dayton Audio DAEX32EP-4 Thruster 32mm Exciter 40W 4 OhmDayton Audio's DAEX32EP-4 Thruster exciter is built to turn large, thick, rigid surfaces into speakers. The 32 mm voice coil is attached to a steel spider for maximum restoring force when large amounts of power are applied, making it perfect...

www.parts-express.com

Seat:

Spec Miata Seat

www.ultrashieldrace.com

As noted above, I've installed the Exciters using the low-profile 3M Dual-Lock. I purchased 3x5" rectangles. But, there are tons of options. The adhesive section on the exciter is 1.75" in diameter. I don't see any reason to use anything stronger. The tactile comes through very well (granted I don't have anything to compare it to). BUt, I have to use a putty knife to remove these...they won't just pull off. But, catch the edge of a putty knife between the layers and pry...and it pops right off.


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At the moment I've installed the 4 exciters here:

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The front two work really well. The two lower-lumber, not so much. I think the issue is that I don't make contact with that part of the seat. I think I need to move them in and up to where my lower back is actually touching. There's just a thick layer of fabric on the inside, and the seat is actually a bit big for me (it was the passenger seat in my racecar, so I bought it for "larger" passsengers).

I have a ProADV in the shop that fits like a glove. I might try that, instead. the only issue is that its a full containment seat with halo. Kinda big, and don't really need a halo! Alternatively, I could make a seat insert for this seat to help fill the empty space and tranfer the energy to my skin.

Simhub Profile:

At the moment, I'm using RomainRob's profile. I tweaked some volumes and turned off some extraneous effects. But, in general it worked very well...for a first attempt. I think I need to get the exciter locations dialed in a bit more (and maybe order another round of 4 ;-). Then maybe I'll be able to comprehend the effect manipulation a bit more.

Hey would you mind linking to the RomainRob's profile? I need somewhere to get started and I'm sure that would be handy. Many thanks!

 

[Tom_Hampton]

Hey would you mind linking to the RomainRob's profile? I need somewhere to get started and I'm sure that would be handy. Many thanks!

Sorry it took a while. I couldn't create a link from the discord app on my phone.

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[vanka472]

Sorry it took a while. I couldn't create a link from the discord app on my phone.

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Thank you! The link goes straight to the channel, but if you are not in the discord that doesn't work so just incase anyone else was looking for it.

Simhub Discord Link:

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Chanel Link:

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