PC2 Project Cars 2 Leagues (merged)

[Rob]

I know we are all excited for this release. What I don't know is how many people intend to a) play it on the xbox one and b) would like to join some sort of a formal league here at Race Department.

There are so many possibilities, I've had to calm myself down from getting lost in them. However, my main passion, IndyCar, will probably not be able to be run until the DLC with the ovals comes to the Xbox One.

That said, what sort of series would you like to see? Personally, ones that come to mind are Tudor United Sports Car Series, WEC, British Touring Car, and DTM. One of these could fill the gap for me until IndyCar is possible, but others may have better ideas.

Please indicate below if you are interested and what sort of times you are available and which series' you prefer. We could follow the actual schedule of many a series, due to the timing of the release. Personally, if they get the ovals out before IndyCar starts, I'll probably turn my focus there, but nothing would prevent running another alongside.

The anticipation is killing me!

 

[SkaankyPuppy]

Just a suggestion for the future, do you think the hotspots video should show clips of the whole corner, so we are 100% clear what happened?

I think a pre-requisite for doing these videos is the ability to count. I think whoever puts these together must just pick the bits they fancy. So far I have gone through the sprint for two drivers, between them they have made 25 28! extends. I may make it into the points yet!

 

[Gareth Williams]

@Adel Elsayed

Enjoy you piece of

 

[Peter Hooper]

Picked up my button box. Used the shifter mount on stand to mount the box. I am going to have some one at wok make a bracket so that it is angled up.

Did you get one of those BBJ Sim Racing units?

 

[Jamief430]

Notice how I only had one that was on T7. All others were T1 where I didn’t know the rules since what is being enforced is different to what we were told on PSN.

Edit: @Jamief430 The 1st and 2nd picture for me are identical. Are you sure they are 2 different laps?

OZ yes . Please feel free to look at the laps stated and see for youself. Any issues talk to stewards/ adam I'm not obliged to reply on here.

Thanks

 

[Jamief430]

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[Scooby555]

I don't want this to be an argument, this purely to spark up the conversation and get everyones input to improve the league.

After the most recent round at the Red Bull Ring the hot topic of conversation has been track limits and there seems to be some confusion about it. I want a transparent and easy to understand limits we can apply to each and every track.

I propose that we have some changes to improve the consistency, in all forms of motorsport (that I know of anyway) the general accepted rule is you must keep at least 2 wheels on the track at all times and the track is defined by the white lines either side of the race track. The astro turf is there to improve safety to prevent a big crash not to be used as part of the race track. If a driver is struggling to keep within these limits they are driving too fast its that simple.
Zero tolerance unless in wheel to wheel combat, if you go over the white line its a track extend full stop.
If a driver is in combat then this should be taken into consideration but if they clearly gained time or retained the position because of it then its a track extend then it shall be counted. If a driver is clearly forced off the track without sufficient room to remain within the limits this should not be counted as a track extend.

I also think the qualifying should be policed somehow.
Lap should be aborted if you exceed limits.
If someones fastest lap time has a track extend or a cut this should be punished by banning them from the next track qualifying.

If you guys can't keep within the current track limits, their will just be even more penalties. Right?
My argument to this is no the lap times will just be slower because we will all be using the actual race track and not what we have thought was allowed.

At the moment the Hotspots just mean you will be policed on these few corners but you can do what you want anywhere else which is wrong.

 

[Ben Milden]

That’s my issue with the track limits at Austria it wasn’t clear or transparent

Also different tolerances are added depending on how popular you are it seems


People will just have to upload their fastest qualifying lap and pass it to Adam or frank to be checked. We all have share buttons and would take 5 minutes to do

Another option is to not race at tracks that allow track extends like Austria and Dubai

ALso think @Frank Finch is the only man that can police hotspots with true neutrality given that he doesn’t race but can save replays.

Just my thoughts but agree with scooby making things simple is the best way

 

[ozwheels]

I don't want this to be an argument, this purely to spark up the conversation and get everyones input to improve the league.

After the most recent round at the Red Bull Ring the hot topic of conversation has been track limits and there seems to be some confusion about it. I want a transparent and easy to understand limits we can apply to each and every track.

I propose that we have some changes to improve the consistency, in all forms of motorsport (that I know of anyway) the general accepted rule is you must keep at least 2 wheels on the track at all times and the track is defined by the white lines either side of the race track. The astro turf is there to improve safety to prevent a big crash not to be used as part of the race track. If a driver is struggling to keep within these limits they are driving too fast its that simple.
Zero tolerance unless in wheel to wheel combat, if you go over the white line its a track extend full stop.
If a driver is in combat then this should be taken into consideration but if they clearly gained time or retained the position because of it then its a track extend then it shall be counted. If a driver is clearly forced off the track without sufficient room to remain within the limits this should not be counted as a track extend.

I also think the qualifying should be policed somehow.
Lap should be aborted if you exceed limits.
If someones fastest lap time has a track extend or a cut this should be punished by banning them from the next track qualifying.

If you guys can't keep within the current track limits, their will just be even more penalties. Right?
My argument to this is no the lap times will just be slower because we will all be using the actual race track and not what we have thought was allowed.

At the moment the Hotspots just mean you will be policed on these few corners but you can do what you want anywhere else which is wrong.

I couldn’t agree more and have made that suggestion about the white lines many times as you have heard.

 

[Lance Loomis]

Just review evey post I've had about this since season 1. Lol

 

[Thomas While]

Steward's Decision Appeals
Gaz and Seeks incident: Original decision stands. Obviously Gaz ends up in the middle of the track through no fault of his own, however drivers must be aware of other cars and rejoin the racing line safely.

Ben's track limits appeal: Number of extensions is reduced to 5 meaning Ben receives a 5 second penalty and 5 penalty points instead.

 

[Thomas While]

Feature track limits
No action necessary as all drivers were on, or below the limit of 9. (Oz was pictured twice for the same extension).

 

[Ben Milden]

REVISED SPRINT RACE RESULTS AFTER PENALTIES

1. Liam
2. Ramsay
3. Jaime
4. Adam
5. Ben
6. Gaz
7. Seeks
8. Jeremy
9. Paul
10. Scooby


@Gareth Williams for points

 

[Jonathan Seekings]

REVISED FEATURE RACE RESULTS AFTER PENALTIES

1. Liam
2. Ramsay
3. Jaime
4. Adam
5. Ben
6. Gaz
7. Seeks
8. Jeremy
9. Paul
10. Scooby


@Gareth Williams for points

Sprint race results mate.

 

[Gareth Williams]

REVISED SPRINT RACE RESULTS AFTER PENALTIES

1. Liam
2. Ramsay
3. Jaime
4. Adam
5. Ben
6. Gaz
7. Seeks
8. Jeremy
9. Paul
10. Scooby


@Gareth Williams for points

I shall make it so batman

 

[Frank Finch]

This has been an issue ever since it was decided to turn the rules in the game off (mainly because of the time penalties). Sadly, just like in real life, a few racing drivers in this league will always try to find ways to be the fastest. If this means cutting or extending a corner without getting caught, they will do it.

Since we don't have telemetry and sensors like they have in real races, it means we have to have our own stewards to police things. Hence the hot spots. We can't ask anyone to put a major amount of time to re-watch every drivers race to see if they stay within track limits. And thus those who do cut and/or extend a lot get away with it, except at the hot spots.

So you could say some drivers lack the discipline to stay within the track limits, as our gentlemen agreement is. But then again, why wouldn't they, because they want to win. So in a way I understand. But rules are rules and everybody in this league accepted those when they signed up.

It is a tough matter, but I see it pretty black and white. Either we all respect the rules and stay within track limits*, or we turn on the rules. If other leagues can race with the rules on, why can't we?

(*as far as I'm concerned we dump the hot spot system. If someone extends or cuts a corner and is seen doing that, he should be reported. Simply because we all have to stick by the rules).

I would like to see an open and fair discussion about this. No blaming others, not getting under one's skin to prove a point. I would like to see well-founded opinions.

 

[Frank Finch]

OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

Here is the rest of the calendar with in-game dates and weather conditions. In-game times and laps will be announced on the Monday before the race.

R17-18: Sugo - May 10 - Dry
R19-20: Spa - May 17 - Wet
R21: Watkins Glen - May 24 - Dry

R22-23: Silverstone - June 7 - Dry
R24-25: Barcelona - June 14 - Random
R26-27: Long Beach - June 21 - Dry
R28-29: Zhuhai - June 28 - Dry
R30-31: Donington Park - July 5 - Wet
R32: Imola - July 12 - Dry

R33-34: Brno - July 26 - Dry
R35-36: Road America - Aug 2 - Random
R37-38: Zolder - Aug 9 - Dry
R39-40: Hockenheim - Aug 16 - Dry
R41: Daytona - Aug 23 - Random

 

[Ben McCluskey]

OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

Here is the rest of the calendar with in-game dates and weather conditions. In-game times and laps will be announced on the Monday before the race.

R17-18: Sugo - May 10 - Dry
R19-20: Spa - May 17 - Wet
R21: Watkins Glen - May 24 - Dry

R22-23: Silverstone - June 7 - Dry
R24-25: Barcelona - June 14 - Random
R26-27: Long Beach - June 21 - Dry
R28-29: Zhuhai - June 28 - Dry
R30-31: Donington Park - July 5 - Wet
R32: Imola - July 12 - Dry

R33-34: Brno - July 26 - Dry
R35-36: Road America - Aug 2 - Random
R37-38: Zolder - Aug 9 - Dry
R39-40: Hockenheim - Aug 16 - Dry
R41: Daytona - Aug 23 - Random

ZHUHAI IS DRY!!!!!! The end of the world most be near

 

[LIAMATTHURSO]

This has been an issue ever since it was decided to turn the rules in the game off (mainly because of the time penalties). Sadly, just like in real life, a few racing drivers in this league will always try to find ways to be the fastest. If this means cutting or extending a corner without getting caught, they will do it.

Since we don't have telemetry and sensors like they have in real races, it means we have to have our own stewards to police things. Hence the hot spots. We can't ask anyone to put a major amount of time to re-watch every drivers race to see if they stay within track limits. And thus those who do cut and/or extend a lot get away with it, except at the hot spots.

So you could say some drivers lack the discipline to stay within the track limits, as our gentlemen agreement is. But then again, why wouldn't they, because they want to win. So in a way I understand. But rules are rules and everybody in this league accepted those when they signed up.

It is a tough matter, but I see it pretty black and white. Either we all respect the rules and stay within track limits*, or we turn on the rules. If other leagues can race with the rules on, why can't we?

(*as far as I'm concerned we dump the hot spot system. If someone extends or cuts a corner and is seen doing that, he should be reported. Simply because we all have to stick by the rules).

I would like to see an open and fair discussion about this. No blaming others, not getting under one's skin to prove a point. I would like to see well-founded opinions.

We got rid of the hotspots in S4 & part of S5, and trust me frank, it became bedlam, it got far far worse for track limits. Peoples problem is we werent clear enough. All that needs to be done is elaborate more on the specifics on the limits. Getting rid over this is a bit too far & extreme, when all thats needed is just for us to elaborate more.

 

[Ben Milden]

Rules on isn’t going to work because they don’t work in the game

Bugged

Maybe don’t race at tracks with airfields for run offs

Places like sugo next for instance we won’t even have hotspots because you can’t extend or cut anywhere.

 

[Ben Milden]

Just a thought as well does anyone know who has what penalty points wise