Michael Schumacher

[Chris Jenkins]

Or was it when he cried after equalizing Sennas record of race wins in Monza 2000 instead of engraving it on his helmet (the way Alonso does with his points record which is only down to the fact that the points system has changed massively and therefore useless).

Up until 2013, Alonso only had 1 season under the new scoring system that Schumacher didn't.
Yes Schumacher missed 3 seasons, but Alonso didn't set the world alight during that time.

Schumacher had every opportunity to further extend his points record between 2010 and 2012, he just didn't have what it takes any more.

Alonso is a better driver.
Schumacher had at least 5 of his titles bought for him by Ferrari, much like Red Bull and Vettel these days.

 

[Daniel Ciglar]

@ Andrew: Not going to bother reading through these walls of text. Let's agree to disagree and save ourselves a bit of time.

@ Chris: Are you going to ignore the fact that Alonso also had a much better car than Michael in these 3 years under the new points system? Are you also going to ignore that Michael isn't driving this year anymore and that Alonso is able to get even more benefit out of the new pointssystem? Are you also going to ignore that nearly 1/3 of Alonsos race wins were due to the car in the lead retiring and that out of all the current drivers he has been the one to benefit from his rivals problems the most?

If so, I can't take you seriously.

Also, before Michael was given dominant material by Ferrari, he had to go through 4 years of reliability problems (96), lack of pace (97,98) and an accident which cost him a good chance to win the 1999 championship. In 2 of these 4 years he was able to fight for the WDC until the very last race of the season.

When Michael joined Ferrari, they were struggling and within 4 years they became stronger and more successful until the point where they started to dominate the sport. Is it coincidence that since Fernando has joined the Scuderia, they are going more and more backwards? The F10 has been the best Ferrari F1 car since Alonso joined them, funnily enough that was also the only Ferrari where he didn't have the same amount of input as to the other cars.

Michael helped turning Ferrari into a race winning team, he had the qualities to convince Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne to join him at the Scuderia. Alonsos only quality in interpersonal relationships is to sabotage people, moan, betray and intrigue. That's why imo he's never going to reach Schumacher's status and will only be remembered by the Tifosi as a multiple race winner for Ferrari.

In fact, it will be interesting to see whether or not he's going to lie once again by saying that he would stay at Ferrari for the rest of his career and then leave to go back to McLaren.

 

[Andrew Ford]

@ Andrew: Not going to bother reading through these walls of text. Let's agree to disagree and save ourselves a bit of time. Good idea. I had to read through quite a few walls of text too!

@ Chris: Are you going to ignore the fact that Alonso also had a much better car than Michael in these 3 years under the new points system? Are you also going to ignore that Michael isn't driving this year anymore and that Alonso is able to get even more benefit out of the new pointssystem? Are you also going to ignore that nearly 1/3 of Alonsos race wins were due to the car in the lead retiring and that out of all the current drivers he has been the one to benefit from his rivals problems the most?

If so, I can't take you seriously.

Also, before Michael was given dominant material by Ferrari, he had to go through 4 years of reliability problems (96), lack of pace (97,98) and an accident which cost him a good chance to win the 1999 championship. In 2 of these 4 years he was able to fight for the WDC until the very last race of the season.

When Michael joined Ferrari, they were struggling and within 4 years they became stronger and more successful until the point where they started to dominate the sport. Is it coincidence that since Fernando has joined the Scuderia, they are going more and more backwards? The F10 has been the best Ferrari F1 car since Alonso joined them, funnily enough that was also the only Ferrari where he didn't have the same amount of input as to the other cars.

Michael helped turning Ferrari into a race winning team, he had the qualities to convince Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne to join him at the Scuderia. Alonsos only quality in interpersonal relationships is to sabotage people, moan, betray and intrigue. That's why imo he's never going to reach Schumacher's status and will only be remembered by the Tifosi as a multiple race winner for Ferrari.

In fact, it will be interesting to see whether or not he's going to lie once again by saying that he would stay at Ferrari for the rest of his career and then leave to go back to McLaren.

 

[Benutzername]

Im seeing this thread for the first time...

All i have to say:

Yes, Schumacher wasnt the... fairest driver. But... Which champion was entirely fair? Every racedriver did things which are not... Not 100% clean. Schumacher did it more than others, but still: He is a veeery big person in motorsport and formula one. How great, how fantastic, how talented do you have to be to think of manipulating other drivers while racing on the hardest circuit ever, monaco? I am speaking of 2006, Qualifying. he blocked Alonso. How... How... Just how can he think of something "complex" like that in a Qualifying session in MONACO!?

Anyone remembers Barcelona 1996? In a not fantastic car... Simi lar to one of the ferraris today, pick one, he just flew through the rain. Or the race he had fight with Hill... but hill was on wet tyres... Schumacher wasnt.

Another example of pure skill if you ask me. Or... 2012, his pole in Monaco. Everyone was complaining about slow and old Schumacher. And this old man showed everyone their boarders... Again on the driver-circuit Monaco. Rosberg was slower, who has won the race in the next year. So Rosberg actually is a strong oppenent, but he was beaten. by a way older guy... Named Schumacher.
It was a very hard change for Schumacher, you will realise it now. Now, that the f1 is developing faster and faster into the wrong direction. 2006 and 2010 were far far away from each other. Very different. Massa had the same problems since the changes.

In 1991, his debut season, he was 7th in qualifying. in ... decent car. But no that great. Senna and co werent that far away, the legends. And the young Schumacher, never raced before in a F1 car, never driven in Spa before... Qualified 7th. In his second year he had beaten Senna already in the championship. Yes, Sennas car wasnt that good in that season. But... Everyone is saying that Senna is the greatest of all the time. The Benetton wasnt the best car in the field, too. So.. senna should normally beaten Schumacher, right? He hasnt.

 

[Andrew Holmes]

Im seeing this thread for the first time...

All i have to say:

Yes, Schumacher wasnt the... fairest driver. But... Which champion was entirely fair? Every racedriver did things which are not... Not 100% clean. Schumacher did it more than others, but still: He is a veeery big person in motorsport and formula one. How great, how fantastic, how talented do you have to be to think of manipulating other drivers while racing on the hardest circuit ever, monaco? I am speaking of 2006, Qualifying. he blocked Alonso. How... How... Just how can he think of something "complex" like that in a Qualifying session in MONACO!?

Anyone remembers Barcelona 1996? In a not fantastic car... Simi lar to one of the ferraris today, pick one, he just flew through the rain. Or the race he had fight with Hill... but hill was on wet tyres... Schumacher wasnt.

Another example of pure skill if you ask me. Or... 2012, his pole in Monaco. Everyone was complaining about slow and old Schumacher. And this old man showed everyone their boarders... Again on the driver-circuit Monaco. Rosberg was slower, who has won the race in the next year. So Rosberg actually is a strong oppenent, but he was beaten. by a way older guy... Named Schumacher.
It was a very hard change for Schumacher, you will realise it now. Now, that the f1 is developing faster and faster into the wrong direction. 2006 and 2010 were far far away from each other. Very different. Massa had the same problems since the changes.

In 1991, his debut season, he was 7th in qualifying. in ... decent car. But no that great. Senna and co werent that far away, the legends. And the young Schumacher, never raced before in a F1 car, never driven in Spa before... Qualified 7th. In his second year he had beaten Senna already in the championship. Yes, Sennas car wasnt that good in that season. But... Everyone is saying that Senna is the greatest of all the time. The Benetton wasnt the best car in the field, too. So.. senna should normally beaten Schumacher, right? He hasnt.

I wouldn't say that I liked Michael, but I have to admit that he is a great, great driver. In my eyes, the biggest and best great will always be Senna, no matter what, but Michael's driver talent was unquestionable. I heavily respect Schumacher for the things he could do with a F1 car, but then again, I also respect Senna in the same way. I believe that if Ayrton would have walked away from his Imola crash, then he would have won the '94 Championship and then taken the Ferrari deal that was offered to Schumacher for 1996. Therefore, Schumacher wouldn't have been 7 times World Champion, but these are all ifs and buts, Michael is THE most successful driver that the sport has ever seen and maybe will ever see. You never know what will happen with Vettel, he might have the best car for the next three season and beat Michael's records, but Seb is nowhere near as talented as Schumi. There is only Schumi and Senna that can be called legends of the sport, in my opinion of course.

 

[Benutzername]

I wouldn't say that I liked Michael, but I have to admit that he is a great, great driver. In my eyes, the biggest and best great will always be Senna, no matter what, but Michael's driver talent was unquestionable. I heavily respect Schumacher for the things he could do with a F1 car, but then again, I also respect Senna in the same way. I believe that if Ayrton would have walked away from his Imola crash, then he would have won the '94 Championship and then taken the Ferrari deal that was offered to Schumacher for 1996. Therefore, Schumacher wouldn't have been 7 times World Champion, but these are all ifs and buts, Michael is THE most successful driver that the sport has ever seen and maybe will ever see. You never know what will happen with Vettel, he might have the best car for the next three season and beat Michael's records, but Seb is nowhere near as talented as Schumi. There is only Schumi and Senna that can be called legends of the sport, in my opinion of course.

i agree in most of the points. but i dont think Senna would have switched that early to ferrari. if he would have won the title 94, he would have stayed by williams for sure. and probably would have won (95), 96,97. Newey probably would have stayed, so maybe 98 and 99.

I think we would have seen a thrilling battle between Mika, Schumacher and Senna in Ferrari Williams and McLaren. but without Newey McLaren probably wouldnt have been that good.

Would would would. Its the past, just theories ^^

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Vettel just needs something more to become a legend. yes, he is fast and so on. But its not a legend. He need to have something like Schumacher, who had 2 titles and thought: ok, i need a new challenge, switch to ferrari and build something up. thats why he became a legend. Vettel had a nce debut, a awesome win in Monza 08, came up for Red bull, had a bit luck with the rule changes, since then newey could built great cars again. the rest of the cars were just evolutions of the 09 Red bull. It was... "Easy", but yes, vettel is really fast.

 

[Dux]

I wouldn't say that I liked Michael, but I have to admit that he is a great, great driver. In my eyes, the biggest and best great will always be Senna, no matter what, but Michael's driver talent was unquestionable. I heavily respect Schumacher for the things he could do with a F1 car, but then again, I also respect Senna in the same way. I believe that if Ayrton would have walked away from his Imola crash, then he would have won the '94 Championship and then taken the Ferrari deal that was offered to Schumacher for 1996. Therefore, Schumacher wouldn't have been 7 times World Champion, but these are all ifs and buts, Michael is THE most successful driver that the sport has ever seen and maybe will ever see. You never know what will happen with Vettel, he might have the best car for the next three season and beat Michael's records, but Seb is nowhere near as talented as Schumi. There is only Schumi and Senna that can be called legends of the sport, in my opinion of course.

I would have pressed "agree" but with the latest sentence you wrote i must postpone that. Just my thought.
Vettel is now 26y and he is 4 times world champion, i won't say much on that matter, simply, who we are to question the quality of one 4 times world champion by the age of 26? No one.

I grown up with Schumacher, i turned off the TV when he was off the track, i cheered him and didn't go to the beach in the summer because i was sitting and watching him race. I was celebrating every win since 98 till his retirement in 2006. In 2007 i was empty and sad because i couldn't watch F1 unless he was driving, i was only cheering the team in which he remained with some "role" to play. However my attention was taken by the driver, rookie in fact that season, for which Schumacher himself said he can be one day great champion and how he used to teach him and watch him while racing go-karts. Then i remember myself reading about Vettel (in 2007) on the internet etc etc and finding out that both of them were very close. So i said if there is anyone for whom i would cheer and continue the way i was watching F1 all of my life it would be only Vettel.
When he won the 2008 Monza GP with the Toro Roso i was happy because i saw that there is still hope for me to watch F1 like i used to do and also because Schumacher was right! However i never imagined that he could have gone this far! 4 Titles in row, broke down many many records! By the age of 26? I think Schumacher himself is very proud of him and admires the really great talents Vettel has, but yet, very few are aware of them or even today are putting questions marks and every achievements of his on the car, which is wrong, for the person and for the sport, it's wrong for Senna and every other driver that ever won a title.

 

[Andrew Holmes]

I agree with benutzername as Vettel should prove himself by switching to a mid-field or at least slower car to prove he can win in tricky situations. Yes he won Monza '08, but come on, Bourdais got fourth in Q3 in that car for God's sake. And anybody knows that he is useless in an F1 car. I agree Vettel has a respectable level of skill but he needs to prove himself in something other than a great car. Although the point that the above quote made, Senna's second and third titles were inferior by far to the Williams and Ferrari cars, so I think you cant argue that Senna won cos of the car

 

[Andrew Ford]

Hi,
First of all, I'm just going to quote from my post again in case I get wrongly put into the "schumacher hater" group (like another person tried to).... My post:

,,,i liked it when he returned and he said he had learned more about himself. essentially, he learned to lose and show a human side.now i appreciate him more. personally (only my opinion), he wasn't the greatest. however, when you watch his ferrari videos online e.g. 2004, i enjoy watching his laps. his racing line is unique. he is so shallow in the corners and somehow gets the car rotated and on power quickly. fascinating.

That was pretty positive except for mentioning that he wasn't the greatest IMHO.
@Benutzername your post seems very respectful and honest. I hope you don't mind me disagreeing with you - particularly about the "manipulating other drivers". There is being clever in good ways and bad. Perhaps my upbringing was too "good" "honest" and "fair". But I don't like it when people cross the line...the rules of racing. To extend that, I would ask you..." If someone is the fastest, the best, the ultimate, why do they need to bend the rules? THey're doing it to gain an advantage of some kind". I am not a Barcelona fan, I am actually a fan of Jose Mourinho and my team is Sunderland. However, Barcelona never worried about the opposition in recent years during their domination because they had a style that was clearly the best. Mourinho is clever and when he took over at real madrid, he tried ever trick in the book with some mixed success. he beat barcelona a couple of times...but who were acknowledged as the best? the greatest? Most would say barcelona.

Schumacher was clever. He got the team behind him. He got bridgestone behind him. He was and is an amazing driver. But he didn't push the title in the benatton from the off.
If you look at 1992, he beat senna...due to senna's retirements. senna had 7 retirements including 1 low scoring pts finish because he retired but had done 90% of the race. Schuacher had only 3 retirements. The difference at the end? 3 pts. the mclaren and benatton were not that far away from each other - berger and brundle finsihed only 9pts apart with 6 and 5 retirements. I would argue that berger was a slightly better driver. Senna had more wins and better pts average for the races he finished versus schumacher. to show that i am being fair, even tho senna beat schumacher the following year and drove brilliantly to get wins, it is difficult to compare as that year, SCHUMACHER HAD MORE RETIREMENTS. schumacher also drove really consistently. i think they were probably both very close that year and again, the cars were very close. by 1994, these guys were both in a class of their own. benatton just kept getting stronger, schumacher did too. if senna had won in 1994 which i believe he would have, then history would be very different. after senna died, i believe schumacher was clearly in a class of his own, unchallenged - only newey was better. now if newey can beat schumacher with hakkinen, hill and villineuve at the wheel, what does this tell us about how great vettel is? the truth is, he is clearly exceptional, but we will never be able to say until he has a teammate of similar strength. but that is for another thread.

just to clarify once more..i think schumacher is exceptional and ONE OF the greats. however, I don't think he was the greatest driver. he did extremely well in an average car but then so did senna. did senna not do extremely well at lotus considering it wasn't the best car? senna beat prost when he was at the top. all the greats can beat each other and that's why they are greats. when theyre up against "good driver"s they are miles apart. Senna and schumacher were not a million miles apart...but then, does that mean that alonso is the greatest? because alonso beat schumacher twice? And does that make hamilton the greatest? because he beat alonso in his rookie season and then the season after? we could go on and on couldn't we?

i accept your opinion - mine is just different and that's fine. we will have to agree to disagree but i would ask you to think again about this.. "should someone who is clearly the greatest, need to bend the rules and be clever about manipulating them?"Sometimes the greatest do bend the rules but it doesn't do them any favours and only blurs public opinion about their abilities.

I still love watching onboards by drivers like hamilton, schumacher, senna and vettel. Maybe we should just commend them all for being great

Im seeing this thread for the first time...

 

[Benutzername]

@Andrew Ford

Ive never said Schumacher is the greatest. Hard for me to stay neutral, cause i am a huge Schumacher fan, but that does not mean i cant accept other opinions. In my opinion its just like that:

Its impossible to compare drivers

Even if two drivers are having the same car, the same conditions, same age,... You cant compare! Like... A track fits for every driver differently, each driver has a different style of racing, so each driver neds a different setup. Its just impossible. But its fun to try it ^^

The only thing you can do is like trying to make groups... But thats very hard, too. Can you compare a Jim Clark with Vettel? No. A Schumacher with Fangio? No, nobody can. We cant even really compare Prost and Senna. The guys who will come closest to the truth are the drivers themselves. But they only have one sight of view.

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"should someone who is clearly the greatest, need to bend the rules and be clever about manipulating them?"

No, he doesnt need to. But he can. You can be the greatest (or as explained above one of them) even if you manipulated. Schumacher did this in Monaco for example. And i just meant that how he manipulated... that was just... Out of everything. You cant manipulate like this if you are not great.

 

[Sasha Jednak]

Isn't Newes also great designers because he uses rules in "special" way? That's what makes the difference between F1 driver and F1 winner (in this group is easy to put Fangio, Clark, Lauda, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton, Vettel...).

 

[Benutzername]

Isn't Newes also great designers because he uses rules in "special" way? That's what makes the difference between F1 driver and F1 winner (in this group is easy to put Fangio, Clark, Lauda, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton, Vettel...).

Hamilton? Are you sure? He was awesome in his first years, now it seems that he wants to be a popstar or something... Thats what i think of him... The racer in him got lost a bit. And a driver who has no passion should not be rated in a sentence with Senna and co. As i said, my view

 

[Andrew Ford]

Isn't Newes also great designers because he uses rules in "special" way? That's what makes the difference between F1 driver and F1 winner (in this group is easy to put Fangio, Clark, Lauda, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton, Vettel...).

i thought you might mention how newey or brawn bend the rules. however, i would say it is slightly different. the rules for engineers are constantly changing. the challenge is to change your approach and outcomes to stay ahead - you can find loopholes but not break the rules or you get (should) punished.

Crashing into people to prevent them winning the championship or parking in the final chicane to stop your rival qualifyingfaster aren't exactly loopholes are they?lol

i don't recall hearing about jimmy clarke or fangio doing this but then i stand to be corrected. i agree with you all that ALL of these guys are great drivers and that we can't really compare.we have our favourite - who we think is the best of course - which is fine. one thing id like to learn more about isn't "who is the best?" but to compare their approaches. i know that cars affect driving style but things like the lines they take, their steering inputs...learning about that stuff is quite interesting for me. i

 

[Andrew Ford]

Hamilton? Are you sure? He was awesome in his first years, now it seems that he wants to be a popstar or something... Thats what i think of him... The racer in him got lost a bit. And a driver who has no passion should not be rated in a sentence with Senna and co. As i said, my view

im a big fan of hamilton. i think he had an amazing car when he came on the scene - as did alonso and raikkonen. i get annoyed by his fake american accent and miserable often childish behaviour. sometimes he does engage his brain. then again, i think he is perhaps the most naturally gifted/ quickest driver on the grid. i just don't think he will ever adapt fully to these tyres. schumacher couldn't and he drove with similar aggression. if they bring bridgestones back (whcih they won't) hamilton would be up there pop star status or no pop star status. again, we might never know.

 

[Benutzername]

Is tehre missing a part? It ends with an "i"...

Btw. i have some F1 racing magazines (in german) with a special Schumacher edition. in it there were some things like how/what Schumacher did. how he improved his line, how he steered, how he throttled and braked

 

[Andrew Ford]

Is tehre missing a part? It ends with an "i"...

Btw. i have some F1 racing magazines (in german) with a special Schumacher edition. in it there were some things like how/what Schumacher did. how he improved his line, how he steered, how he throttled and braked

no, it was an extra bit lol ...by accident

i think the magazine you have might be the 1st link..

i've read/watched these 3 things which i found really interesting - particularly the second one.
shame that the author disappeared as he sounded really clued up and never returned to finish his articles on other drivers. I had a little email conversation with someone called Peter Windsor who writes for F1 racing magazine, was an engineer at mclaren in the 80s and has a youtube show called "the racers edge" (formerly the flying lap") we discussed schumachers driving line which was quite a shallow line with rotation at apex. sadly, he's busy and he probably got sick of me chatting to him lol

http://www.scribd.com/doc/36634684/Schumacher-vs-Barrichello

http://abulafiaf1.wordpress.com/201...-part-b-more-thoughts-and-michael-schumacher/

oh, there is also a mention of his style from brundle on this:

you can see i respect the guy even if he isn't my favourite and no doubt other drivers such as vettel were/will be inspired to new heights because of schumacher

 

[Dux]

Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, truth is, 7 titles, i believe he couldve gone for 8, are not won just like that. They are won, no matter how great ur car is, if u dont have that passion that desire to drive u on and on to do the things he had done, all is in vain! So having said that, Schumacher by far is leading everyone else and if Vettel doesn't pass him by the time he ends his career i will make conclusion for myself, 1950 till the day that happens - that Schumacher is undisputed king and no.1 in F1 and speaking of Alonso, he might comes in the TOP 15

Mine opinion about Vettel in the moment is that he is far the best on the grid. And in F1 history i put him right among top5.

What is my opinion is not though important, rather important is why is that so. Someone says "he won because of the car and how Hill, Villeneuve and Hakkinen were Champions" and like, "it tells us of the skills of Vettel." Hakkinen was a great champion and damn damn fast!!! Villeneuve was great driver while i admit Hill is perhaps the most overrated Champion because he won 1 title in car that was 3 years on the top. However Vettel is miles and miles ahead of them and what he did is not going to be repeated in the next, i dont know how many years, therefore you don't compare them. Vettel is way better. And things like that does not happen just because he had the best car. Once in a while everyone makes mistake because no one is perfect. But Vettel it seems like he is ...

When asked about which was my favorite win of Vettel i said Brazil 2013, why? Because he was at the end of a season, so wasted so empty because he won the title already, he was on the edge to win a record old years and years or go home and never achieve that again perhaps. He drove 8 races and came into Brazil with no mental weakness in which he could possibly lose Brazil and win no.9 in row. Now you know when that will be repeated? Never. You know what skills Vettel got? Very huge or at least bigger than anyone else today on the grid for God sake, damn sure! Why don't we see Webber to do that, he can't.

Its a very strong mind game! Senna didnt said for nothing that will is what makes us Champions, not skills. I can recall my situation in a Championship of ours. We had fixed setups and cars equally. I was winning, leading, destroying them until i won the title with 3 races to spare. And in the next 3? I didnt bothered i was done i didn't wanted anymore, i had enough. I proved to myself. I was again testing and racing but couldnt even get to the lead!
What is Vettel doing? He is pushing himself all the time and it seems like he cannot get enough. Thats why he will be and is already the best! Hamilton is bothered too much with his Roscoe! Alonso with his "important" news about some bicycle team...dammit Chilton is more devoted than Hamilton. Kimi all say Kimi! Why him? He is drinking acting like J.Hunt.

Vettel is teached and mentored directly from the man, Schumacher, and we see that they share almost identical mentality and that killing instinct with which they are able to do anything JUST FOR VICTORY. They are on a battlefield there and everything is allowed. Schumacher was doing it, Vettel barelly killed Webber with his mind-game, but he wont hesistate like he did with Alonso in Monza blocking him barely out of the track.

Toro Roso won before the first team, they brought Vettel and in their 3rd race in that season, Vettel brought first victory of Red Bull, why Webber couldn't if it was because of the car that much, more experienced etc when he was already 4 years in the same team. Why? Because Vettel was damn fast! And the rest is history.

He is today 4 times world Champion. I was so releaved when he did it i was like ... from now on i dont care what anyone says anymore! It just has to be no.1 i dont care anymore what anyone has to say it, its rubbish.

I love this sport because i believe it means a much much more than stupid cars and metals, fulfilled with engines and electronics. I love this sport because is full of drama and battle for thrones for prestige its a very hard and mind game in which the one who WANTS IT THE MOST will win it! Therefore it kills me when i hear that someone who has 4 titles, or someone who has 7 titles, are worse than some spaniard who came with 2 titles with Renault where Schumacher was barely broght to his knees so F1 and Bernie could have some profit, and didnt won anythng for the last 7 years, had one good season in 2012 in which he made only for his mistakes done in 2010, which cost him the title, and never to extend his abilites but regained them...everyone make them the best, he is no best. he is far from being the best today. than schumacher? just a bad dream ....

 

[Andrew Ford]

Prayers with schumachers family.sky just reported he has a serious head injury from skiing in France. How ironic after being an f1 driver. Hope it's not as bad as Colin McRae

 

[Bram Hengeveld]

Damn I just read the news. Hope he'll be alright!!

 

[Kevin Ascher]

Damn, that upsets me. I hope he is alright.