rF2 Caterham Superlight Team Championship (Cancelled)

[Hans Sneep]

I have decided to withdraw from the league,because I feel it is out of my league.

I race for the fun,an that is in the club races,so I will stay there.

Good luck to all the drivers an hope you have a great event.:thumb:


Greets,Hans

 

[Stuart Thomson]

What is that supposed to mean?

Well, Greg actually inadvertently hit on something in his post, and it struck me as I was typing my reply.

I'd rather people walked away happy than soldiered on and ended up hating it through some feeling of obligation.

The more I thought about it, the more I realised that that bloke is me, not anyone else.

The more I pondered it, the more I realised that I wasn't enjoying anything to do with the Caterham League, but I felt obligated to carry on. That in turn was leaching into the Club events, where the discussions were all about "well, hope the league is like that" etc. I ended up not enjoying anything, but kept going thinking it was just me, that it'd be better next time, and because of that perceived obligation again.

I found it harder and harder to go through the efforts of justifying the decisions I'd laboured hard under to try and get exactly right when people treated it like I'd pulled them out of the air. Not the justifications themselves, just the effort of doing it over and over.

I found it harder and harder to keep a dialogue going when I wanted to just say something like "These are the rules. Everyone knew about them going in." Dictatorial stuff like that, I can't stand at any price, but I found myself on the brink of actually saying it.

That's no way to run a League, or enjoy myself (which is the whole, you know...point). The more I considered not running the League, the happier I felt.

And that can't be right.

So, basically, I'm done. I'm walking away happy before I get to have bad memories of it.

I can't give this League the effort and enthusiasm it deserves, and I'm not going to do it half arsed, or end up making it a chore.

If someone wants to take it over as a Supported League, be my guest, but I'm done with it.

And, just in case anyone think it might be the case, this isn't brinksmanship. Doing that over a virtual league driving imaginary cars would quite possibly be the most pompous and assinine thing ever.

If I'm quitting the running of the League, I'd also feel more than hyopcritical to arrogantly assume that I'd be able to keep running the Club events, so I'm done with them as well.

All I can say now is the following:-

1. Thanks to those of you who made the Cat events so enjoyable. It was intended to be a simple "couple of weeks" thing. That was nearly a year ago.
2. Sorry that this had to come out now, but I'm afraid it's the impending start and the associated blather that forced this realisation on me
3. Good luck to whoever takes it over - there's no real fixed timeframe for this, no real League competition on Fridays on the rF server, so if someone does want to take it over, you can always postpone it a few weeks so you can get a handle on it.

Cheers all.

 

[Chris Butcher]

Stu, perhaps you should sleep on it. Nobody wanted this to happen and indeed it would be a shame for the Caterham events to just die. I don't think anyone's comments were meant to criticise any particular individual.

If you still want to quit the running of the league, that's fine and I respect that. You've worked so hard to bring it where it is and now you quit just before it starts. I just think you should give it a little more thought

 

[Stuart Thomson]

Nope - I'm done.

 

[Chris Butcher]

No point now chaps, see the test event thread

 

[Dariusz Swiderski]

Lets just finish this whole discussion, the rules are set and dusted, lets start thinking about the racing instead. I really think you should reconsider Stuart, it is your baby and you can't just quit (morally ) when a few problems arise , give it another shot pls.

Sad sad days for the Cats........

 

[Tim Ling]

It is a sad day for the Cats, but unfortunately understandable. When the leagues rules are constantly questioned even after being re-affirmed many, many times, it's no wonder Stuart's fed up.

Why put up with that level of frustration for a game you play for relaxation?

 

[Paul Wright]

Lets just finish this whole discussion, the rules are set and dusted, lets start thinking about the racing instead. I really think you should reconsider Stuart, it is your baby and you can't just quit (morally ) when a few problems arise , give it another shot pls.

Sad sad days for the Cats........

With respect Darius (and i'm certainly not trying to put words in Stu's mouth by saying this) i don't think his post above is any kind of attention-seeking or 'cry for help'-type ploy so i'd be very surprised if sleeping on it has given Stu any kind of epiphany-style change of heart.

Stu, thanks for everything to do with the online Caterham racing, its been superb and i've met some good people here as a result of your Gents nights....my best wishe to you for the future.

Cheers....wrighty

(edited to add) Couldn't agree more with Tim's comments....i tend to think that i'dve come to the same decision if i'd been undermined in the same way as Stu has....

'be careful what you wish for'.... etc etc

 

[Stuart Thomson]

Well, quite.

As I said, it's not brinksmanship, not a "use my rules or I'm off" style flounce - I'm simply not enjoying it anymore, and haven't been for some time, I now realise, and I just feel it's better if someone who's more invested in it runs it.

I'm not saying "if I'm not running it, no-one can", I'm offering it up for someone else to take over. I'm basically giving someone a tap-in in front of an open goal.

I'm not sure that there's any moral imperative for me personally to carry on, any more than there was for me to set these things up in the first place.

I'd be lying if I said the constant moaning about rules wasn't irksome, but it wouldn't be enough to make me stop if I was actually enjoying it.

 

[Chris Butcher]

Well I feel like I've contributed to this whole mess, even though it wasn't constant moaning and was only one suggestion. Good luck to whoever takes over the league, I don't think it would be morally correct to take part in any events, so good luck to everyone else

 

[Wayne Reed]

Chris we dont want any one leaveing i dont know the ins and outs of what has gone on or what was said none of my busines but it is done know stu is leaving to move things on in GTL and you know he is the daddy at that.

please do not leave lets move on from this and make stu proude of us and have an awesome league

 

[Toby Davis]

I'm really sorry you felt this way Stu and had to leave us. Please continue participating in the league as a driver though, it wouldn't be right for you not to do that.

Guys - we now need a brand new operator of the Cat league, and my personal vote goes to Paul Wright, if he would nominate himself for the post. He's a stalwart of the Caterhams and certainly knows what he's doing skin wise. Anybody with me?

 

[Toby Davis]

No point now chaps, see the test event thread

Chris there's every point. It is now a duty for us to make this league a success.

Can we keep the racing to the best we can make it, and enjoy it in the relaxed way we used to enjoy the club events please?

 

[Stuart Thomson]

I won't be driving in the League - I've already uninstalled rFactor.

Wayne Reed (who's already staff) will be picking up the Cats in the immediate future, but if Wrighty wanted to become rF staff (bearing in mind that it is up to him rather than being getting nominated into it) and help Wayne out, he would certainly get my vote in the Staff arena.

As long as that is what he wants, not what he gets pressured into.

 

[Chris Butcher]

@Wayne ok I won't quit, but I'm sure you see my point. I was maybe a bit quick to post that, I don't want to face resentment from other drivers for my involvment in all this. I'll still race unless other people have a problem with it. Good luck with the running of the league BTW.

 

[Toby Davis]

I won't be driving in the League - I've already uninstalled rFactor.

Wayne Reed (who's already staff) will be picking up the Cats in the immediate future, but if Wrighty wanted to become rF staff (bearing in mind that it is up to him rather than being getting nominated into it) and help Wayne out, he would certainly get my vote in the Staff arena.

As long as that is what he wants, not what he gets pressured into.

Stu, that's really not what I was doing. I think there is a bit of miscommunication going on between us two at the moment.

 

[Stuart Thomson]

Look - no-one knows whether Paul wants to do to that or not.

Putting this suggestion out there in the open, and then asking for support before he's even been consulted is just plain wrong.

Your post might have got a shagload of responses all saying "Yes, Paul should do it" - before he's been asked - and then he comes in to see the posts... How's he going to feel then, if he doesn't want to do it?

What about if he does, and comes in to a lot of "No thanks" posts? (Highly unlikely, I'll admit)

Either way, it's coercive and pre-emptive and puts pressure on him. In the same way that you went around PM-ing the Team Leaders to get a consensus in the hope of presenting me with a fait accomplit inre: bumpdrafting.

I'm not saying you are doing it deliberately, I don't even know if you realise you're doing it, but you are doing it nonetheless.

 

[Toni Talvitie]

i have no chance of submitting liveries. workload at work is too much atm and i just crash in bed in evenings. anyone help my team out?
just do all white with numbers and names and thats it lol. pretty please!

http://www.racedepartment.com/cater...championship-sign-up-now-open.html#post596570 teaminfo and numbers. Oh and it was ment to be kun-fu car extreme but maybe next time

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0299977/

 

[Wayne Reed]

Thanks Chris

Hi guys as stu has said i will be runing the cats with help nothing will change from how stu has set it up even the bumpdraft the rules are the ruls and thats it you can do it in a race but not in quly it is un fair on the single drivers and you cant have that

looking forword to doing and lets make the league awesome and show him you can do it will

 

[Paul Wright]

Cheers Paul, it wasn't a big deal but it would look good in the race for everyone to have the correct stuff, especially if they join first then nobody sees their helmet. Nice work.

Right, got it kinda half working.......the helmets will be included in the league skinpack and they will install to the main helmet folder AND into the game skins folder. You will need to select your own helmet in the helmet list as previously, but with the helmets duplicated in the skins folder this now means that all of the other drivers correct helmets are shown on the cars when they're added as AI in offline play. Obviously an opportunity to test this online before round 1 is scheduled to run would be nice but.....erm.....that'll be tomorrow night as our only available slot to test online.