AC Abarth500/MazdaMX5@Zonda, Wed 11th October 2023

[Boukâh]

I like the Mazda, and think I might get better results with it. But it feels a bit too easy, whereas Abarth feels more "untamed" which makes it so much fun to drive.
I don't much care if it's multiclass or not, as long as I have fun. And I can't really think of any car that I'd replace the Abarth with, I'm having too much fun with it!

I still couldn't beat Allan's time, bugger...

I agree with you Mika, the Abarth is very fun to drive. In the races I drive the MX5 because I think I have a bit more control over it most of the time, so for learning race kraft in the races, I think I am better of with the mazda. But… every time I try the Abarth I get this smile on my face. ‘Untamed’ sounds like a good description . Maybe I’ll switch cars in the near future to the naughty and stubborn little 500.

 

[stigs2cousin]

Way easier:

restrictor the **** out of these cheater turbos

 

[Boukâh]

Way easier:

restrictor the **** out of these cheater turbos

Disable 5th/6th gear, that’ll teach ‘em!!

 

[stigs2cousin]

Disable 5th/6th gear, that’ll teach ‘em!!

Don´t be cruel, just 6th so that they bang on the rev limiter hours on end on Han´s favorite Autobahn tracks

 

[zn1zn2c]

Just to add my two cents here: I don't mind a monoclass. I don't mind a multiclass either though. I'm just here to have fun and fight with other people. In fact I find it a lot of fun trying to figure out how to get enough space between me and an Abarth so I can keep the position once we arrive on a straight.

That said, I can understand why some people might want to keep this a multiclass. If we want a monoclass championship I think we would have to find tracks that don't overly favor one car over the other.

 

[HF2000]

Ok guys,

So far there's no one against a multiclass and a few more or less against a monoclass.
For the single events I don't mind because the points don't matter.

But for the Fat-Alfie championship it's now : 7 Abarths against 14 Mazda's. And currently it is configured as a monoclass because I didn't expect a lot of Abarths. I'll wait until tomorrow for more reactions and decide then.

 

[RS242]

Personally does not make any difference for me if these races are mono- or multiclass simply because there is no real championship.
I race for fun and to learn and grow my race-crafting skills and that has zero impact on it.

For championships with points over multiple tracks then I would prefer multi-class, that way things get more balanced in case a track favors one car over the other. But then again it's a minor thing - please don't change it just because of me.


On the topic of the Abarth: I have to say I love FWD, but I hate the Abarth specifically because of the gearbox. Every time I race it's always a struggle with the downshifts not to hit the rev-limiter, especially going from 4th to 3rd. The one FWD car I enjoyed driving the most in AC up till now was the Honda Civic Cup (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/honda-civic-type-r-ep3-cup.40763/). I'm not sure how it would hold up versus the Abarth or the Mazda, but found it to be a very fun and agile car.

Abarth:

Honda:

Mazda:

- Ricardo S

 

[HF2000]

Personally does not make any difference for me if these races are mono- or multiclass simply because there is no real championship.
I race for fun and to learn and grow my race-crafting skills and that has zero impact on it.

For championships with points over multiple tracks then I would prefer multi-class, that way things get more balanced in case a track favors one car over the other. But then again it's a minor thing - please don't change it just because of me.


On the topic of the Abarth: I have to say I love FWD, but I hate the Abarth specifically because of the gearbox. Every time I race it's always a struggle with the downshifts not to hit the rev-limiter, especially going from 4th to 3rd. The one FWD car I enjoyed driving the most in AC up till now was the Honda Civic Cup (https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/honda-civic-type-r-ep3-cup.40763/). I'm not sure how it would hold up versus the Abarth or the Mazda, but found it to be a very fun and agile car.

Abarth:
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Honda:
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Mazda:
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- Ricardo S

I just tried the Honda. I like the sound but compared to the Abarth it feels like driving a piece of concrete.
In my hands I think the Abarth will be faster but the performance could be reasonable comparable depending on the track.
I think they have re-used the Abarth setup configuration because it has the same options with the same limitation (psi can go lower than 15).

I can squeeze it in as a 3rd car in our events to try it out.

 

[Medilloni]

The one FWD car I enjoyed driving the most in AC up till now was the Honda Civic Cup

Each to their own, though I love this car, a top mod
My vote for multiclass or not, is multiclass

 

[stigs2cousin]

But for the Fat-Alfie championship it's now : 7 Abarths against 14 Mazda's. And currently it is configured as a monoclass because I didn't expect a lot of Abarths. I'll wait until tomorrow for more reactions and decide then.

So, got the hint yet?
We can´t solve all your problems

On the topic of the Abarth: I have to say I love FWD, but I hate the Abarth specifically because of the gearbox. Every time I race it's always a struggle with the downshifts not to hit the rev-limiter, especially going from 4th to 3rd.

Maybe read up on when to shift a turbo car
Hint:
with modern boost control torque drops off signifantly at certain revs.
So choose the shift point wisely (you want to land before max boost.)

Abarth:
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[stigs2cousin]

I wonder when we will get the recent version of the MX5 Cupcar (ND2, still 2l, but 184 HP at slightly higher revs and sequential gearbox for reals)

Should be an easy fix for a modder and things would get fair again

 

[Alfred Wayne]

If we're keeping everything the way it is now, same cars and lowered tired wear/fuel, then multiclass for sure.

If we're running the cars without handicaps, then I'm fine with monoclass.

With nerfed gas/tires, if you get stuck behind an arbath in the twisty bits before a straight in an mx5, which fat alfie tracks have, you lose time and can't put up a fight (maybe a well place divebomb?). If the fuel and tires weren't nerfed, at least you'd then have a chance to regain the lost time when the arbarths have to pit for fuel and tires.

 

[stigs2cousin]

That one I completely overlooked.

So Han, real simulation it is??

 

[HF2000]

That one I completely overlooked.

So Han, real simulation it is??

For a real simulation I have to be able to put some tyre wear on the Mazda which is now non-existent. And also it doesn't sound real to me that a car with a turbo uses more fuel than an atmospheric enging of comparable power.

 

[Mikke73]

For a real simulation I have to be able to put some tyre wear on the Mazda which is now non-existent. And also it doesn't sound real to me that a car with a turbo uses more fuel than an atmospheric enging of comparable power.

It's not a big difference, my average with Mazda is 23,9 l/100 km and 24,6 l/100 km with the Abarth. In data the Abarth actually has a lower consumption than Mazda, so it might also be my driving style making the difference.
Anyway, I think the bigger factor in race would be that Mazda can take 10 litres more fuel.

 

[Boukâh]

I wonder when we will get the recent version of the MX5 Cupcar (ND2, still 2l, but 184 HP at slightly higher revs and sequential gearbox for reals)

Should be an easy fix for a modder and things would get fair again

Today I downloaded ‘Raceroom’ and bought myself a brandnew MX5 in that platform (and TT-track in Assen as well) and that Mazda drove like a charm, very satisfying. So I hope with you, that a new and upgraded MX5 will find its way to AC as well!

(Raceroom felt quite smooth by the way, I liked the first impression)

 

[stigs2cousin]

For a real simulation I have to be able to put some tyre wear on the Mazda which is now non-existent.

Masiing around again, Han? .

Of course a car with a balanced setup does scrub it´s tyres way less than the Abarthination
But I admit that your "bending the rules of physics" takes away all necessety to care for the tyres. In stark contrast to the BTCC Beemer for example.

And also it doesn't sound real to me that a car with a turbo uses more fuel than an atmospheric enging of comparable power.

Of course thats possible as under high loads boosted engines needs an excess of fuel for inner cooling. This whole "turbo safes fuel" stuff with recent downsizing engines only works when pussy footing around with low engine loads.

And, tbh 35 extra hp is more than 15% plus as you love to demonstrate on the straights


So when you start "Fazziing around" to give your team an advantage (and still don´t get the numbers you want ) where does it all end

How about we go single class with , lets says, 50% tyre wear and fuel consumption.
Should get interesting strategic battles, but will the racing be boring??

 

[HF2000]

How about we go single class with , lets says, 50% tyre wear and fuel consumption.
Should get interesting strategic battles, but will the racing be boring??

Every setting in which the Abarth needs a pitstop and the Mazda doesn't, will not be interesting for a monoclass as even I would go for the Mazda then.

For now I will stick with the multiclass and the current settings. Yes that will cause some Mazda's to get stuck behind an Abarth at certain tracks but the other way around is also often the case. I have had several races in which I could close the gap on the straight only to see the gap created again in the turns.
So this is what we see in real life races also like the F1. The better drivers are able to pass anyway. The alien Mazda's have no problem overtaking me somehow. So it is possible. And Jason is able to cope with the Mazda's where I am not.

It pushes me to find a way to go faster in the turns to be close enough for an overtake on the straight.

 

[stigs2cousin]

Every setting in which the Abarth needs a pitstop and the Mazda doesn't, will not be interesting for a monoclass as even I would go for the Mazda then.

You "ruled" that one out of the way nicely, didn´t you.

Don´t worry, it´s only "friendly" ribbing

So Multiclass it is

 

[Jari Laakkonen]

Have a bit hardware issue. Hopefully everythings fine on wednesday.