Cars TVR Griffith 200 1.1

[Dirk Steffen]

I tried to get into that file Dirk, but I kept getting bounced out, not sure why.

Strange - maybe an account issue where you may not see the file attachments in the post?

Here is a direct link to the ini file attached to my post:
https://www.racedepartment.com/attachments/laguna-seca-griffith-200-dirk-steffen-ini.298516/

I have shared the setup BOTH through a content manager direct link AND through attaching the actual setup file to the post (see in the bottom of the post, the mall file thumbnails?).

If you need any help how to install setup files in your AC setup, just ask.

 

[bsmooth]

I think your right, maybe because of rights issues at work as well. Thanks for the help.

 

[Andy-R]

Shameless plug

Our server "GRC - Gentlemen's Racing Club" is hosting the Griffith 200 and 250GTO at Goodwood. Just search "GRC" to find it. I should be on there tomorrow night. It would be great to see some people join the server, here's some driving around footage to MAKE YOU DO IT.

 

[AccAkut]

Just threw this around two laps of LAC, and after a few early spins it was a very pleasant drive, feels "era appropriate". Just be careful with downshifts, it only has four gears so the spacing between each is rather tall... lots of coast torque to upset the rear.

 

[Andy-R]

The road version is a blast at LAC. It loves those winding roads, I think it has quite a different vibe with that stock 289 engine and still not exactly slow for the period. The special equipment version with the 271 horse HiPo engine must have felt like an absolute beast back in the day! Our virtual driver was too miserly to fork out the extra £100 for that version though

 

[Dirk Steffen]

Shameless plug

Our server "GRC - Gentlemen's Racing Club" is hosting the Griffith 200 and 250GTO at Goodwood. Just search "GRC" to find it. I should be on there tomorrow night. It would be great to see some people join the server, here's some driving around footage to MAKE YOU DO IT.

Sweet work hammering those kinks out the mirror so quickly ;-)
I am looking forward to get my hands on the next update to finish those light files.

Are there any times you guys plan to be on the server (I am around the other side of the globe and would like to do some laps if I can manage.

Are you setting up a discord for a chat ?

 

[Andy-R]

Sweet work hammering those kinks out the mirror so quickly ;-)
I am looking forward to get my hands on the next update to finish those light files.

Are there any times you guys plan to be on the server (I am around the other side of the globe and would like to do some laps if I can manage.

Are you setting up a discord for a chat ?

I will hopefully be on there at about 7pm GMT but I won't be surprised if it remains pretty empty We don't have a discord thing just server chat box, the old fashioned way Would be nice to see you on there if it isn't the middle of the night where you are.

 

[Dirk Steffen]

It is but as weekend is coming I may be able to make it ;-)

 

[pctm_00]

pctm_00 updated TVR Griffith 200 with a new update entry:

TVR Griffith 200 Update V1.1

changelog v1.1

-fixed rimblur
-fixed headlining texture
-separated indicator and dash light meshes custom light configs can now be made for shaders patch
-increased polygons on wingmirror
-tweaked some shader settings
-removed extraneous sound files
-fixed totalmass ui error

Read the rest of this update entry...

 

[Dirk Steffen]

Thanks so much for the quick work you have done!
I will be finalizing the files once back at the studio ;-) I am excited about this car ;-)

 

[mantasisg]

I don't think that @apex11 review is on point.

You probably mistake rubber grip with something else. Unless this update has significantly reduced grip, as I drove I have used only initial release version, but I don't see anything about grip in changelog.

 

[Andy-R]

I don't think that @apex11 review is on point.

You probably mistake rubber grip with something else. Unless this update has significantly reduced grip, as I drove I have used only initial release version, but I don't see anything about grip in changelog.

At the 75MM Graham Hill Trophy race at Goodwood the Griffith 400 driven by Mike Jordan and Mike Whitaker did a best lap of 1:25.5 and the 400 was an improved car over the 200 and modern historic cars are always faster than they were in period. In AC the Griffith 200 can do at least a 1:27.5 and similar for the 250 GTO. If you look at period lap times in the 1963 Goodwood Sussex Trophy which featured a 250 GTO the fastest lap was set by Graham Hill in a Jaguar E-Type which was a 1:28.4. At 97% grip both cars fit in really nicely with that lap time by Hill:
http://managerdc6.rackservice.org:50129/lapstat

Here are some modern lap times in comparable cars at modern historic events at Goodwood:
https://www.tsl-timing.com/event/163622/session/qu1trt
https://www.tsl-timing.com/file/?f=GOODWOOD/2018/183665qu1kin.pdf

We raced the Ferrari and TVR at Goodwood online yesterday and it was clear the TVR had a grip advantage off the line, it jumps ahead of the Ferrari at the start so it sticks better than the Kunos car for sure.

You can think sim racing cars lack grip all you like but it doesn't make it true
Madness to think that because you took a slight bend at 80mph in your van once that a 1960's race car should grip at 60mph in every given situation.
It is what it is. Just wish that people in sim racing could research facts rather than just assume that the point of racing cars is that they race themselves...it is the exact opposite.... you have to not drive them like a muppet.

 

[mantasisg]

Wanted to join yesterday, but couldn't. Some days nothing happens, and then there are days when everything falls into you, and you just simply can't take it all.

Interesting thing about Goodwood, is that some cars stayed relatively same pace as in period, and some cars got way faster.

I was surprised to find out that Dtype would have never done anything as fast as 1'28 in the 50s. Not even close to that. So have to adjust grip perception to that Grip is interesting thing though, there are so much angles to it, it is not just grip, a hundred factors goes into it.

 

[Andy-R]

It is probably worth posting this in here also:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheelbase

 

[aphidgod]

I wouldn't put much stock in that particular user's opinions in general.

 

[Giuseppe Abagnale]

Anyway this is the explanation I can give to @apex11:

The way grip was exerted in vintage tires is a bit different from today. In this car you have a lot of grip from tire, the problem is that the car itself is set up in a way that unload the rear inside tire when cornering... It was common to AXLE susension or first independent ones.
Overall, you have a powerful engine powering old vintage tire under a very light car!
I assure that if your van had 300+ hp and weighted 1000 kg you'll have the same problem

 

[Dirk Steffen]

Just a bit of interesting reading material - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED especially for the physics and handling skeptics out there ;-)

How these cars came to be back in the early 1960's is a bloody amazing story all by itself - just a couple of chaps who where into racing doing a bet over who can build a quicker car to beat the other ones - simply amazing story and wouldn't have that repeating in history nowadays any longer.

https://petrolicious.com/articles/griffith-200

... some EYE PORN and food for future purchase decisions here - you know you want one! ;-)
https://www.motorcarclassics.com/1965-tvr-griffith-c-106.htm

... just look at the tight fit in the engine bay - that motor simply ENGORGES the little British plastic bomber:
https://autoweek.com/article/car-life/will-griffith-be-next-collector-cobra-well

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/ar...tvr-griffith-200s-could-not-be-more-different

... if after hearing this you do not WANT ONE BAAAADLY, you have no soul!

Thank you guys for doing this mod! The more time I spend with it, the more I love it!

 

[mantasisg]

 

[Andy-R]

This is pretty cool also. Not sure if it is a 200 or 400 though.

 

[mantasisg]

Very fast !

Hard to judge car yaw motion as it is very short car and camera is very forward. But looks like it moves a lot, but in other hand that was a smooth lap.

By the way, whats the difference between Griffith and Grantura, only engine ?