I'm playing the 1st while I wait for more opinions and reviews. So far it sounds like some steps forward AND backwards have been taken. Probably gonna be a sale purchase for me.
TT Isle of Man - The Game 2
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That’s certainly how it felt to me.
Some (imo minor) improvements, some significant steps back.
If I could refund I’d do it and stick with the original TT flawed or not.
Maybe these are bugs and optimization issues.
We’ll find out.
Andy_J
I hate Race cheats ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
He said "I was hoping for improvement... but according to reviews it doesn't seem..."Sorry, I don't understand you.
that Colin French pretty OP but mate enjoying the hell out of career mode
I'm enjoying IOM TT2 far more than I ever did with TT1, above all the riding experience is far better in all modes of the game. The main TT circuit itself is stunning. There are issues so I'll list the good, the questionable and the bad elements of the game as I see them.
Good:
+++ Bike handling is good, gone are the weird bike into the wall at 90 degrees for no clear reason moments. It's a match for Moto GP and Ride 3. I find switching back to TT1 utterly frustrating in direct comparison. If you just want to hammer around the TT circuit on your choice of bike, it''s great for that.
+++ Sense of speed is truly intense, 1080p locked solid at 60fps plus (see the bad for 4k!)
+++ New helmet camera, in particular, is impressive, almost VR levels of immersion.
++ Bikes have much more individual character, mostly because the new handling gives a better sense of weight, torque and how quickly the bike reacts.
++ The assists system seems to work better this time. Switch all the assists off and the bikes really come alive and need careful use of the throttle and brakes. Add some assists and the bikes are much more accessible than TT1.
+ Challenge mode and the 'open-world' area of the map are a good addition.
+ The overall presentation and bikes themselves look superb.
+ The detailed tuning settings look to give a huge amount of options this time, I haven't had a chance to see how much difference they make.
The questionable:
+/- Career mode is much improved with a calendar and choice of events but there are huge difficulty spikes between events. Often one bike is way faster than the rest of the field. It's miles better than the bare bones ACC career and miles away from an F1 19 type experience.
+/- Bike upgrades, at the level of a sort of Forza lite, it seems the career is meant to be a bit of a grind to get the tuning options and give the player an advantage through upgrades. Not well explained and doesn't quite seem right to me. I can see why they did it as a grind/game mechanic and it's ok.
+/- Perks 'eg reduce the payout reduction for restarting the race', again not well explained and many are meaningless (eg slightly quicker pit stops) in the first season as far as I've seen there are no races with pitstops.
+/- The AI are better than TT1 at avoiding the player but they do sometimes cause crashes. Difficulty spikes and field spread don't seem well balanced.
The bad:
--- 4K graphics performance is awful (i9900K/1080Ti) with the framerate constantly adjusting up and down. It's particularly bad in tree-lined areas where it actually becomes difficult to see the track (this is with motion blur etc switched off too).
- Way too much track debris build up too quickly on the screen and visor. I'd like to be able to switch that down or even entirely off to enjoy the helmet cameras more.
Overall though it's a big step forward and the reviews I've seen seem to agree. Worth the reasonable price imo.
Good:
+++ Bike handling is good, gone are the weird bike into the wall at 90 degrees for no clear reason moments. It's a match for Moto GP and Ride 3. I find switching back to TT1 utterly frustrating in direct comparison. If you just want to hammer around the TT circuit on your choice of bike, it''s great for that.
+++ Sense of speed is truly intense, 1080p locked solid at 60fps plus (see the bad for 4k!)
+++ New helmet camera, in particular, is impressive, almost VR levels of immersion.
++ Bikes have much more individual character, mostly because the new handling gives a better sense of weight, torque and how quickly the bike reacts.
++ The assists system seems to work better this time. Switch all the assists off and the bikes really come alive and need careful use of the throttle and brakes. Add some assists and the bikes are much more accessible than TT1.
+ Challenge mode and the 'open-world' area of the map are a good addition.
+ The overall presentation and bikes themselves look superb.
+ The detailed tuning settings look to give a huge amount of options this time, I haven't had a chance to see how much difference they make.
The questionable:
+/- Career mode is much improved with a calendar and choice of events but there are huge difficulty spikes between events. Often one bike is way faster than the rest of the field. It's miles better than the bare bones ACC career and miles away from an F1 19 type experience.
+/- Bike upgrades, at the level of a sort of Forza lite, it seems the career is meant to be a bit of a grind to get the tuning options and give the player an advantage through upgrades. Not well explained and doesn't quite seem right to me. I can see why they did it as a grind/game mechanic and it's ok.
+/- Perks 'eg reduce the payout reduction for restarting the race', again not well explained and many are meaningless (eg slightly quicker pit stops) in the first season as far as I've seen there are no races with pitstops.
+/- The AI are better than TT1 at avoiding the player but they do sometimes cause crashes. Difficulty spikes and field spread don't seem well balanced.
The bad:
--- 4K graphics performance is awful (i9900K/1080Ti) with the framerate constantly adjusting up and down. It's particularly bad in tree-lined areas where it actually becomes difficult to see the track (this is with motion blur etc switched off too).
- Way too much track debris build up too quickly on the screen and visor. I'd like to be able to switch that down or even entirely off to enjoy the helmet cameras more.
Overall though it's a big step forward and the reviews I've seen seem to agree. Worth the reasonable price imo.
The dirt is realistic, the thing is that in real life objects close to our eyes get blurred and we kinda see through them if you know what i mean. In the game we don't have that and it gets really hard to see when you have two layers of dirt in front of you. It's too much. At least the helmet visor should stay 80% cleaner.
I hope the game is moddable. We need an FoV fix and a dirt fix. Badly.
I hope the game is moddable. We need an FoV fix and a dirt fix. Badly.
god I'm so close to pulling the pin on getting this...... Although I don't feel I got enough out of the 1st one yet (only 55 hours) and I still havn't done a clean Superbike lap (if I do I'm certain I can do a sub 18min....which I'd be happy with). Also I bought Shadow of the Tomb Raider 2 weeks ago and played it once (replayed the 1st game 100% and currently at the end of the 2nd game (90ish%)).....and I bought Borderlands 3 last week. I'm also close to finally getting my wheel rig connected up to new PC to have a proper crack at ACC and continue my PC2 career.
too many games not enough time.
too many games not enough time.
They're looking into the camera views, hopefully get fixed soon and wish they redo the replays, they are awful, changing from one cam too the other way too quick
Well, at least the game supports wheel/pedals now. I know people find it weird to use wheel and pedals in a bike game, but if you set your wheel rotation very low, it's still *much* better than keyboard (or regular controller for those like me who absolutely hate gamepads).
Other than that, it really seems like a marginal update only to me so far. And with default settings, it looks pretty horrible, at least on the "Noon" time of day - it's way too blueish and very low contrast/grey with somewhat muted colors, almost like if some kind of HDR tonemapping was applied. And it's also horribly oversharpened, but I guess gamers generally love horribly oversharpened image, given that it is a staple of most ReShade presets out there.
Also the cameras are pretty bad. They added a few, but at least for me, only the "dashboard" camera is usable, which means you are viewing everything through a grey half opaque windshield, making the issue with the game's look even worse. The helmet cam is literally that, meaning that it sways up and down and left and right constantly, making driving the bike very difficult, plus all the "helmet" effects once again make your vision a lot worse, then there's the same camera but without the helmet (so it's marginally better, but still swaying like a drunk sailor), and then a nose cam, which is fixed to the bike, so it means it's leaning at ridiculous angles in the corners. And third person cameras...just no. It really needs the same camera as the dashboard cam, but without the windshield and all that.
Also, it is a Kylotonn game, so there's still no FOV adjustment.
And it also has the classic Kylotonn stutter if you disable vsync, even with framerate limiter, where the game claims it's running say at locked 60 fps, but the image still visibly stutters and isn't smooth at all. Enabling vsync fixes that for me, as usual.
Other than that, it really seems like a marginal update only to me so far. And with default settings, it looks pretty horrible, at least on the "Noon" time of day - it's way too blueish and very low contrast/grey with somewhat muted colors, almost like if some kind of HDR tonemapping was applied. And it's also horribly oversharpened, but I guess gamers generally love horribly oversharpened image, given that it is a staple of most ReShade presets out there.
Also the cameras are pretty bad. They added a few, but at least for me, only the "dashboard" camera is usable, which means you are viewing everything through a grey half opaque windshield, making the issue with the game's look even worse. The helmet cam is literally that, meaning that it sways up and down and left and right constantly, making driving the bike very difficult, plus all the "helmet" effects once again make your vision a lot worse, then there's the same camera but without the helmet (so it's marginally better, but still swaying like a drunk sailor), and then a nose cam, which is fixed to the bike, so it means it's leaning at ridiculous angles in the corners. And third person cameras...just no. It really needs the same camera as the dashboard cam, but without the windshield and all that.
Also, it is a Kylotonn game, so there's still no FOV adjustment.
And it also has the classic Kylotonn stutter if you disable vsync, even with framerate limiter, where the game claims it's running say at locked 60 fps, but the image still visibly stutters and isn't smooth at all. Enabling vsync fixes that for me, as usual.
I'm intrigued, I've never used a wheel for a bike game, what do you mean by very low? 180 DOR or even lower? I'll certainly give it a try, smooth input has to be better than the twitchiness of a gamepad.
@MarkR Depends on what your wheel allows, mine (T300) doesn't go below 270. But I guess you could further limit it with deadzones, you would just lose the hard stop at the end of the travel.
Edit: Nevermind, I was going by the internet, but now that I've checked it myself, you can actually set the T300 to as low as 40 degrees of rotation.
Edit: Nevermind, I was going by the internet, but now that I've checked it myself, you can actually set the T300 to as low as 40 degrees of rotation.
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BTW, I've made a quick and dirty ReShade preset to color correct the game a bit and adjust the lack of contrast and muted colors if anyone's interested. Though the game dynamically raises brightness and generally "washes out" the image when you're riding in the shadow, so it's only a compromise.
M D Gourley
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I would be intrigued as well...would be great to know your thoughts as I often thought I would like to try a Bike game only if it had Wheel support and it was good...enjoyed reading your Review above also
M D Gourley
Premium
Nicely done...looks far better
Keith Joyce
Stercus accidit
WTF. Wheres the Manx Norton? Unbelievable...
Looks like a great game and allot of fun driving TT isle. But I am terrible at doing bike games only because of trying to do them with my hand controller. I just dont practice bike games as much as I do Auto racing. Have fun with the new version of this game. take care.
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