Podium DD's VS Simucube 2's

[Darren Byrne]

Hi guys, the past while I was trying to find good comparisons between these two models of dd's. Has anyone tested both ? I understand that the software for these aren't complete yet but is there any clear winner here ? thanks.

 

[mtakala]

The Sport models have the same Mean Well PSU. However the cable is now 1.8 m long.

 

[mtakala]

Also, I'm surprised people are discussing the hardware differences here. The new PSU for Pro is of comparable or even better quality (especially cooling) compared to the Mean Well units.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

So why continue shipping Sport with inferior PSU?
The only reason we believed that Meanwell is the best of the best and everything else is crap is because GD kept saying this for years, way before SC2, when DIY OSW was a thing, then for SC1. And confirmed it again when testing different PSUs for SC2.

Simucube 1 vs simucube 2

@Andre: The reason the MW psu-range was chosen for this new product portfolio from GD is due to their renowned /hard-earned reputation in the industrial automation sector. Even so, Team Granite did a pretty comprehensive deep-dive into selecting the best match from that portfolio. As have been...

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Simucube 1 vs simucube 2

Yes, we did torture test the hw here in our premises quite a lot, as @Mika and @phillip.vanrensburg mentioned. Other power supplies, at least the several models we tested, (including 480W desktop power supply from the same manufacturer that one ffb wheel mfg. uses), the quality in those was not...

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Certified by manufacturer wattage of the new PSU does not inspire confidence either.
It's 300 watts and you are saying "it can do 450 just fine, don't worry your pretty little head". That's a lot of faith for 150% wattage increase.

 

[RCHeliguy]

So why continue shipping Sport with inferior PSU?
The only reason we believed that Meanwell is the best of the best and everything else is crap is because GD kept saying this for years, way before SC2, when DIY OSW was a thing, then for SC1. And confirmed it again when testing different PSUs for SC2.
Wattage new PSU is cerified for by manufacturer does not inspire confidence either. It's 330watts and you are saying "it can do 450 just fine, don't worry your pretty little head".

Meanwell is good, but not nearly at the top of the heap. In industrial settings some consider Meanwell PS's getting by cheap.

It is nice that they have a decent power cable length now, and I think it is good that they are taking care of the common complaints. Many people didn't like the double power supplies and to be fair, they are bulky.

If I were buying one today I would welcome their changes. As it is I've made room for the double PS's and got the GPU extension cables like most people did. People are nothing if not adaptable in this niche.

 

[mtakala]

Certified by manufacturer wattage of the new PSU does not inspire confidence either.
It's 300 watts and you are saying "it can do 450 just fine, don't worry your pretty little head". That's a lot of faith for 150% wattage increase.

I wrote some details on a German forum here:

Simucube 2 - allgemeines

Um der Polemik etwas entgegen zu setzen, geb ich mal wieder, wie ich hier in die aktuelle Debatte kam: Ich bin in diese Diskussion hier eingestiegen, da ich - wie vermutlich so einige - bislang ein Simucube DD als Um- oder Aufstieg von einem anderen Lenkrad-System in Erwägung gezogen hatte -...

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[DirkW]

I wrote some details on a German forum here:

Simucube 2 - allgemeines

Um der Polemik etwas entgegen zu setzen, geb ich mal wieder, wie ich hier in die aktuelle Debatte kam: Ich bin in diese Diskussion hier eingestiegen, da ich - wie vermutlich so einige - bislang ein Simucube DD als Um- oder Aufstieg von einem anderen Lenkrad-System in Erwägung gezogen hatte -...

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Thank you, Mika, that was really interesting background information. Seeing the final product, it is sometimes difficult to understand how much development and testing effort is behind it. I have the SC2 Sport and one of the reasons was actually that it only had one PSU. I think it is good that you went this way with the pro also and in that case I had probably chosen the pro back then, about half a year ago. But I am perfectly happy with the Sport, and the shorter power cable is no biggie for me. Thanks again for the insight!

 

[RCHeliguy]

I wrote some details on a German forum here:

Simucube 2 - allgemeines

Um der Polemik etwas entgegen zu setzen, geb ich mal wieder, wie ich hier in die aktuelle Debatte kam: Ich bin in diese Diskussion hier eingestiegen, da ich - wie vermutlich so einige - bislang ein Simucube DD als Um- oder Aufstieg von einem anderen Lenkrad-System in Erwägung gezogen hatte -...

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Can you buy this PS by itself if you would like to save space and bulk on your rig?

 

[Deleted member 197115]

Can you buy this PS by itself if you would like to save space and bulk on your rig?

Have you seen the size of the thing?

 

[RCHeliguy]

Have you seen the size of the thing?

Just looked.

Single plug.
Single wire going to the wheel base.
Larger single PS.

Works for me.

 

[Deleted member 1234936]

It's a Postage stamp at the side of the Ultimate Power Suply, I had to buy that one it's own stand.

 

[Jivesauce]

Have you seen the size of the thing?

Yes, having just received mine, the single power supply is enormous. That being said, I'm still glad to have just the one.

 

[EsxPaul]

Can you buy this PS by itself if you would like to save space and bulk on your rig?

I'm not sure if it would work as you'd only be using one of the power sockets at the rear of the base.

 

[LeeHetherington]

Rig a splitter to feed both?

 

[RCHeliguy]

I'm not sure if it would work as you'd only be using one of the power sockets at the rear of the base.

Just taking a wild guess as an electrical engineer, but I would imagine that the two plugs are connected to the exact same lines internally. A splitter would be redundant.

 

[blekenbleu]

A splitter would be redundant.

Another wild guess would be that, unless perfectly matched,
output current from one supply would have flowed into the other; not ideal.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

Just taking a wild guess as an electrical engineer, but I would imagine that the two plugs are connected to the exact same lines internally. A splitter would be redundant.

Doesn't look that simple.

Simucube 2 Pro R2?

Its just a change. I can only think of one thing: If the electronics fail for any reason, the newly designed circuit layout is much more convenient to R&R, which should (in the long term) be also a good investment for the environmental reasons - no need to haul the heavy motor around the world...

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[RCHeliguy]

Nothing in that sounded like it wasn't that simple. In fact it sounds like after they've verified it, it will be exactly that simple.

 

[RCHeliguy]

Another wild guess would be that, unless perfectly matched,
output current from one supply would have flowed into the other; not ideal.

Within a tolerance, but the point being that a single PS doesn't need to worry about this issue.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

Nothing in that sounded like it wasn't that simple. In fact it sounds like after they've verified it, it will be exactly that simple.

Guess our interpretation is different then.
Still not sure they'll gather enough interest to conduct these tests and start making extra PSUs for sale.
I know everyone got excited at first, but not so much now after all the details got revealed.
Maybe iRacing board is different.

 

[alfye20]

Another wild guess would be that, unless perfectly matched,
output current from one supply would have flowed into the other; not ideal.

If im not wrong, thats the very reason to go with one PSU ONLY on the Pro, because the minimal difference between 2 R1 PSUs could cause loss FFB when enough Power is requiered.
So It is not crazy to try the new PSU over R1 because the R1s can work with only one PSU.