Hi guys, the past while I was trying to find good comparisons between these two models of dd's. Has anyone tested both ? I understand that the software for these aren't complete yet but is there any clear winner here ? thanks.
Podium DD's VS Simucube 2's
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exactly.
I got my dd1 yesterday.
It took me about 30 minutes to put everything on and play.
I don't know if it would have the same ease with simucube 2 pro.
I took a few laps in Formula 1 2019. My favorite game for now.
It's a man. The difference is brutal.
You will probably need time to adjust to the new platform.
But I'm loving it.
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Thanks. There was a fascinating PDF file Leo Bodnar (the person who created the Bodnar DD wheels) explaining some of what I mentioned. If I remember correctly, the main thing he talked about was true torque-based output rather than speed/position output. I wish I could find it. This is part of the reason why filters are so important on DD wheels as we can use them to somewhat get around / hide some of the FFB shortcomings of current FFB tech.
I agree even though it slightly contradicts my previous postEndless flexibility and ease of use?
Hmm, PCars1 FFB comes to mind, bet everyone loved it.
I must be not your regular FFB tinkerer as prefer one slider and as few switches as possible. Let developers deal with the complexity, not users.
I don't want endless sliders and PC 1 & 2, R3E, and pre-RF2 ISI-based stuff (RF1, GTR, R07, GTL, etc.) definitely come to mind. I just think a few things would be awesome as long as it's kept simple. I think a S.A.T. filter is probably the most important for DD users. Some other things would be cool though but just a few.
You're right though, it's easy to start adding this and that and before you know it you have a ton of FFB settings and it becomes a big mess again
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Been looking for that for a long time. Thank you very much Andrew.
Tell us a bit more about it
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Dirt Rally is one case where the telemetry demonstrated that the title is more capable of providing useful FFB than the game-FFB can.
SC4 can effectively improve iRacing FFB too although, it's still limited by the low rate. I find more road detail can be added and some amount of bump detail may actually serve to enhance front grip-loss awareness.
Other titles such as AC don't necessarily "need" more FFB details but, telemetry-FFB can still be used to supplement or enhance what AC already has.
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Been looking for that for a long time. Thank you very much Andrew.
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I haven't retreat a second.
haven't got ay problem whatsoever, the installation was smoth and easy.
Maybe I'm not the right person to get some feedback about wheels bases, but i'm loving the dd1.
the lvl of details are incridebel, maybe is something psychologic but, when I'm a turn and the car start to go a side, is almost like I'm seating in the real car. i got this feeling that the back is slipping away. and this feeling i have never got with my t500rs.
When you drive of a bump or so. you feel that in your hands in a way that is almost like the real thing.
and all the other things that people say about the response time.
I really need to get used whit the strength off the wheel. sometimes i think I need to lower it a bit. because is real like a gym training hahahaha.
As i said before I'm not the right person to talk about it. but that is how i feel. And I think that it will be even better when people who really understand of ffb start to realease their setups. and when the software realease it will be a game change.
So i'm really happy that i choose the dd1. and so far no problems at all.
P.S sorry my bad english.
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Wow. This is so disappointing. Part of what makes having a DD wheel nice is the security and peace of mind of knowing it's an industrial piece made to take an absolute beating without breaking a sweat.
There must be something fundamentally flawed with the Simucube 2 (hardware or firmware), or at least with the Pro.
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Only 2 reports and you're jumping to the conclusion that there's a fundamental flaw?!? More likely there's a supplier part that is out of tolerance and fails.
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One thing to consider with the SC2 and the Podium DD wheels is that they're all-in-one solutions. Most everything is on the steering base, including much of the electronics and processors, the exception being power bricks. My older OSW-style wheel with "Mige" motor has the processor and powersupplies in a separate case, connected via milspec plugs and heavy cables.
Why might this matter? A DD wheel is capable of very high g-forces. Banging around the electronics, which weren't necessarily designed for this environment, may or may not be an issue with these designs. In the older Mige-style designs, the steering base was just the motor and encoder, which were designed for the capability and torque of these servos.
Certainly, the reports of issues with both the Fanatec DD wheels and the SC2 raises an issue. We had zero similiar reported issues with the original OSW setups with outboard electronics. This suggests something about these newer designs might be an issue. My hunch is the all-in-one solution. Components in those steering bases and electronic boards are getting jostled something fierce. Even something as simple as the USB plugs were not really designed to get bashed by FFB 24/7, as they are in these designs. Just a thought.
Why might this matter? A DD wheel is capable of very high g-forces. Banging around the electronics, which weren't necessarily designed for this environment, may or may not be an issue with these designs. In the older Mige-style designs, the steering base was just the motor and encoder, which were designed for the capability and torque of these servos.
Certainly, the reports of issues with both the Fanatec DD wheels and the SC2 raises an issue. We had zero similiar reported issues with the original OSW setups with outboard electronics. This suggests something about these newer designs might be an issue. My hunch is the all-in-one solution. Components in those steering bases and electronic boards are getting jostled something fierce. Even something as simple as the USB plugs were not really designed to get bashed by FFB 24/7, as they are in these designs. Just a thought.
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Very nice review indeed. The QR flex is a well known issue and affects all the Fanatec wheels, I have a little play on my McLaren wheel and more play on the BMW wheel, but I think when you have a non-clamping QR that is just something you are going to experience. I don't notice it at all when driving (on a CSW 2.5 base).
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The review is really good, he come up with some "problems" that i my way of see things I don't think that they are real problems.
Like the problem to fit 3 party wheels.
If i understand fanatec why of see the market they are not intrested in people using another wheels.
The problem that their on wheel dosen't work. that is something that they need to fix.
Maybe I'm wrong i don't know.
Like the problem to fit 3 party wheels.
If i understand fanatec why of see the market they are not intrested in people using another wheels.
The problem that their on wheel dosen't work. that is something that they need to fix.
Maybe I'm wrong i don't know.
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