Is VR dead?

[Deleted member 197115]

iRenting sounds right on the money too..

 

[RCHeliguy]

IRenting sounds right on the money too..

As much as I enjoy iRacing, it is a subscription service, so fair enough.

 

[Cooknn]

I spent a bunch of money on iRacing, but still choose ACC and AMS2 over it for VR. That and the load times are brutal. The ROI isn't there for me.

 

[blekenbleu]

snark alert: this article is from Apple fanbois
Microsoft layoffs effectively kill HoloLens & mixed reality projects

Windows Central: Entire teams behind Virtual, Mixed Reality, and HoloLens laid off

 

[blekenbleu]

Gran Turismo 7 on PSVR2 Is the Full Game, Except for Split-Screen Play

 

[RCHeliguy]

snark alert: this article is from Apple fanbois
Microsoft layoffs effectively kill HoloLens & mixed reality projects

Windows Central: Entire teams behind Virtual, Mixed Reality, and HoloLens laid off

Certainly not a good sign for the future of WMR.

Given Oculus is proprietary hardware, that seems to leave SteamVR tracking as the only standard left. Otherwise everyone is fending for themselves.

Given Oculus is completely stand alone headsets now, I wonder if anyone could find a way to license their tracking technology for strictly PC tethered operation that wouldn't compete with Oculus's market.

Whether this is something I care about personally or not, it would definitely be in the best interest of the tethered PC market.

 

[RCHeliguy]

Wow! Pimax's Steam VR tracking support requires a battery ?!?
That is so half assed!

At this point it seems like Oculus has the only truly viable inside/out tracking system. I don't think HTC or WMR hold up comparatively and Pimax seems pretty spread thin with all the things they are trying to squeeze into this headset. The odds of them actually growing their own system that works well enough to handle things like motion seems very iffy.

I haven't heard any issues with the Pico 3 or 4 which have inside out tracking, but I don't have a very large sample size and I've not tried it first hand either.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

I wonder if anyone could find a way to license their tracking technology for strictly PC tethered operation that wouldn't compete with Oculus's market.

It's secret of Polichinelle, besides MS and Meta, Pimax has own head tracking, so do Sony and HTC.

 

[RCHeliguy]

It's secret of Polichinelle, besides MS and Meta, Pimax has own head tracking, so do Sony and HTC.

But are they any good with a motion rig and what are the issues that you need to futz with to make it work ?

The guy who I sold my Reverb G2 just told me that he had to add extra lighting in the back of his room and has to put pillow cases over his triple screens to get WMR inside out tracking to work and he still loses tracking occasionally.

So forgive me if I remain skeptical.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

But are they any good with a motion rig and what are the issues that you need to futz with to make it work ?

The guy who I sold my Reverb G2 just told me that he had to add extra lighting in the back of his room and has to put pillow cases over his triple screens to get WMR inside out tracking to work and he still loses tracking occasionally.

So forgive me if I remain skeptical.

Not sure what you guys are doing with your headsets and how bad is the lighting in your rooms.
With inside out tracking cameras you just need diffused even light and no direct lights hitting cameras (sunlight from window, chandelier with open light bulbs, etc, or cameras get "blinded"). This applies to any inside out tracking, regardless of the manufacturer, it's just the way optical cameras work.
All I had to do in my play space is just use this floor lamp with light projected to the ceiling

 

[RCHeliguy]

Not sure what you guys are doing with your headsets and how bad is the lighting in your rooms.

I have 16 x 75W LED lights in my ceiling and TWO centrally located ceiling fans with two 100W equivalent bulbs in each fan. In addition I have a 75" TV mounted on the wall in front of my rig that I use as a monitor.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

I have 16 x 75W LED lights in my ceiling and TWO centrally located ceiling fans with two 100W equivalent bulbs in each fan. In addition I have a 75" TV mounted on the wall in front of my rig that I use as a monitor.

That's the problem right here, you don't need burning sun lighting in your room for this to work, this is the situation when "less is more".
It just doesn't like direct light, I had WMR going crazy when looking up and getting light from chandelier hitting the cameras. Just reflected from the ceiling floor lamp light with no other light sources fixed it perfectly.

 

[RCHeliguy]

And miraculously right now I can play in dark, bright or anything in between with ZERO issues. Just amazing!

My LED lighting is dimmable and I generally leave my ceiling fans off.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

If you spent 1/10th of time you spent on mounting, wiring, and setting up tracking stations on research and setting proper lighting for inside out tracking, the result could have been different.
Any tracking solution has some issues, including phasing out stations based ones.

 

[RCHeliguy]

It took me 15 minutes to setup my base stations 3.5 years ago and I've never had to recalibrate my headset since then. It just works perfectly every time.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

It took me 15 minutes to setup my base stations 3.5 years ago and I've never had to recalibrate my headset since then. It just works perfectly every time.

If that includes drilling the walls, mounting stations, routing wiring, etc. I can only admire your handyman skills, it will take me longer to find the drill and the right drill bit.

 

[wajdi]

Zero issues with my HP reverb G2 inside/outside tracking and my motion system . It’s rock solid and I rarely lose tracking. Maybe I have to use the recenter button once every 6-7 laps but because I lose slightly my position on the virtual cockpit but really unnoticeable!

 

[RCHeliguy]

One base station is sitting on top of a tall piece of furniture near my gaming computer in the left front of my room I simply placed it up there and plugged it into the switched clip strip my computer uses. I haven't touched it since then.

My right rear base station is just in the rear corner of the room scale area right next to the curtain to a door with an outlet just below it. So I ran a couple holes into the sheetrock and secured the mount and snapped the base station on. I had an extension cord with a small switch on it and I was done. The wire is behind the curtain and then the cord to the outlet is behind a couch. Nothing is visible.

Since then I got remote switches for both sides so I just touch a button for my computer, DSP's, amps and the other for my right rear base station power.

If I didn't have a convenient piece of furniture in the front corner of my room it would have taken me longer. That left front corner literally took about 1-2 minutes tops to setup.

The tracking is so good that I've frequently rolled my rig back to nearly the same spot and started driving without even thinking to center my HMD in game. I never have to recenter during a game. It never drifts even the tiniest bit.

 

[Mekonrider]

I'm reading all this a bit bemused. I'm sometimes literally sat in the dark with my Pico 4 and same with my Lenovo and I wasn't hitting the recenter button much.

You are talking about screen drift?

 

[blekenbleu]

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