AC GT3 @ Monza - Sunday 7th February 2021

[Reik Major]

From a very subjective point of view, I absolutely dislike helicorsa. The HUD would kill the immersion and distract me from the rest of the visual range, which is extremely important to me. As a sim racer I absolutely rely on what I see and what I hear plus the little ffb from the wheel.

Instead I'm so glad I've found crew chief ages ago. It works just perfect and adds much immersion to the game. A little donation made the author add my name to it, so the spotter talks to ME. And he tells exactly, whether someone still sticks his nose besides you or if the side is clear again. It's so helpful to know, when you're able to claim the racing line again and doesn't distract in any way.

 

[Interslice]

From a very subjective point of view, I absolutely dislike helicorsa. The HUD would kill the immersion and distract me from the rest of the visual range, which is extremely important to me. As a sim racer I absolutely rely on what I see and what I hear plus the little ffb from the wheel.

Instead I'm so glad I've found crew chief ages ago. It works just perfect and adds much immersion to the game. A little donation made the author add my name to it, so the spotter talks to ME. And he tells exactly, whether someone still sticks his nose besides you or if the side is clear again. It's so helpful to know, when you're able to claim the racing line again and doesn't distract in any way.

When I'm in middle 3 wide into t1, crew cheif could tell me i won the lotto and it wouldn't register! For me helicorsa replaces the spatial awareness lost from real life peripheral vision and sense of hearing. Mirrors aren't the same either. I'd love to be able to race with no HUD at all but i think i'd need 5.1 surround speakers and triples first

 

[RasmusP]

From a very subjective point of view, I absolutely dislike helicorsa. The HUD would kill the immersion and distract me from the rest of the visual range, which is extremely important to me. As a sim racer I absolutely rely on what I see and what I hear plus the little ffb from the wheel.

Instead I'm so glad I've found crew chief ages ago. It works just perfect and adds much immersion to the game. A little donation made the author add my name to it, so the spotter talks to ME. And he tells exactly, whether someone still sticks his nose besides you or if the side is clear again. It's so helpful to know, when you're able to claim the racing line again and doesn't distract in any way.

Guess I'm more into jet pilot immersion
I would be totally fine to have helicorsa in a little hud like some newer cars have.
Only car I ever got a chance to drive was a BMW 640d grand coupé and to see the speed and navi while keeping my eyes on the road in front was awesome.
Lane assist (helicorsa) in the windscreen too? Hell yeah

 

[HF2000]

From a very subjective point of view, I absolutely dislike helicorsa. The HUD would kill the immersion and distract me from the rest of the visual range, which is extremely important to me. As a sim racer I absolutely rely on what I see and what I hear plus the little ffb from the wheel.

Instead I'm so glad I've found crew chief ages ago. It works just perfect and adds much immersion to the game. A little donation made the author add my name to it, so the spotter talks to ME. And he tells exactly, whether someone still sticks his nose besides you or if the side is clear again. It's so helpful to know, when you're able to claim the racing line again and doesn't distract in any way.

I use both combined. And I still don't know which of the two is the most accurate/actual.

 

[maxilogan]

From a very subjective point of view, I absolutely dislike helicorsa. The HUD would kill the immersion and distract me from the rest of the visual range, which is extremely important to me. As a sim racer I absolutely rely on what I see and what I hear plus the little ffb from the wheel.

Instead I'm so glad I've found crew chief ages ago. It works just perfect and adds much immersion to the game. A little donation made the author add my name to it, so the spotter talks to ME. And he tells exactly, whether someone still sticks his nose besides you or if the side is clear again. It's so helpful to know, when you're able to claim the racing line again and doesn't distract in any way.

I definitely quote. CF is a marvelous piece of software. So glad I installed it and happy that my name was there despite not being so common.

With regards to Helicorsa and it being useful or not, I agree that it may be a bit of redundant of you also have CF installed. Nevertheless, as a also-on-console player, I chose not to buy an untrawide monitor, and can't use triples for both money and space reasons, so my FOV, if I want it to be slightly realistic, doesn't allow me to see who's or what's around, and Helicorsa is helping with this, plus giving that visual aid to CF that is a welcome addition (IMHO).

 

[Kek700]

@RasmusP every time I read one of your articles my eye seems to be magnetically drawn to 10600K and 4.9 GHz, I know it is pretty meaningless, but why don't you clock it to 5 GHz for that extra but small boost.

 

[RasmusP]

@RasmusP every time I read one of your articles my eye seems to be magnetically drawn
to 10600K and 4.9 GHz, I know it is pretty meaningless, but why don't you clock it to 5 GHz
for that extra but small boost.

Over the last months I was quite active in the hardware forums so I found it useful to just give everyone in these threads my specs.
I'll delete it soon, these threads are going cold so no need anymore.

Why I don't clock it to 5.0 GHz?
I bloody can't

At 4.9 GHz my vcore is very good. I tested how much I'd need for stable 5.0 GHz and the result was awful...
4.9 is stable at 1.27v but currently I need a rock stable system for home office so I'm letting it have 1.35v during full load peaks to not even risk a BSOD no matter what I'll run or do.

5.0 GHz still gave me BSODs at 1.42v... Didn't want to pump more into it...

So my 10600k isn't bad but it's also not great

My trigger-finger is waiting for the 11600k though. My z490 board is 100% compatible with the 11th gen so no big operation, just unscrew the cooler, slap it in, new paste, done. The upscaled planned 10nm architecture seems to give a massive single thread boost so I'll definitely get one of these!
Not really for simracing as I don't have or plan to get VR (tried a rift for 3 months), but panorama stitching in Lightroom is single threaded and it's taking ages...
Same for Catia when you move objects around in real time.

Anyway, this is a long waffling again so here's one of the stitched Panoramas from my trip to the Harz: (not a really great photo but the preview rendering took 15 minutes...)

Original Export: 24220x5201 pixels, 40 single shots

 

[Chris Down]

5.0 GHz still gave me BSODs at 1.42v... Didn't want to pump more into it...

So my 10600k isn't bad but it's also not great

Pretty sure you already know all this, but did you try running with a higher LLC? The voltage droop is pretty significant on a lot of the recent Intel desktop chips.

Personally, to get my 10900k to 5.1ghz all core, I had to do the following:

1. LLC6 (scary on paper, but in practice I've not detected any large voltage overshoots)
2. No base clock aware adaptive voltage (although in practice it probably doesn't matter that much, but I don't know how this interacts with natural bclk variance so preferred to have it off to reduce the amount of variables)
3. 51 multiplier, 100 base clock, 1.4v vcore. (Thermally, up to about 1.42 is doable)

In reality it runs like this with no load:

And this with Prime95 small FFTs:

In games it pretty much never goes above 90, which is more than fine. This is with Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 360 AIO.

Just posting in case it helps, I couldn't get past 4.9ghz either without really bumping the LLC. If your board is decent, it's almost certainly fine.

 

[RasmusP]

Pretty sure you already know all this, but did you try running with a higher LLC? The voltage droop is pretty significant on a lot of the recent Intel desktop chips.

Personally, to get my 10900k to 5.1ghz all core, I had to do the following:

1. LLC6 (scary on paper, but in practice I've not detected any large voltage overshoots)
2. No base clock aware adaptive voltage (although in practice it probably doesn't matter that much, but I don't know how this interacts with natural bclk variance so preferred to have it off to reduce the amount of variables)
3. 51 multiplier, 100 base clock, 1.4v vcore.

In reality it runs like this with no load:

View attachment 442704

And this with Prime95 small FFTs:

View attachment 442705

In games it pretty much never goes above 90, which is more than fine. This is with Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 360 AIO.

Just posting in case it helps, I couldn't get past 4.9ghz either without really bumping the LLC. If your board is decent, it's almost certainly fine.

Thanks mate!
I did all this and I might have gotten it stable but without vr there's really no need for 5% improvement for me and I just accepted that my cpu has this "soft limit".
At 4.9 GHz it runs cool with low voltage, all the power saving stuff active etc etc.

No need to squeeze it to 5.0 or 5.1. I limit my fps to 95 anyway on my 100 hz gsync monitor so I really can't see any drops when they happen at race starts for example

 

[Chris Down]

Thanks mate!
I did all this and I might have gotten it stable but without vr there's really no need for 5% improvement for me and I just accepted that my cpu has this "soft limit".
At 4.9 GHz it runs cool with low voltage, all the power saving stuff active etc etc.

No need to squeeze it to 5.0 or 5.1. I limit my fps to 95 anyway on my 100 hz gsync monitor so I really can't see any drops when they happen at race starts for example

Oh yeah, absolutely agreed. Most stuff is going to be GPU bound anyway, and even if it isn't (like AC) it's not demanding that much, so it's really not going to make any difference.

From my side it's almost strictly psychological rather than performance -- I have an unhealthy need to feel I'm extracting the "most" for my money, even if in reality it makes literally no difference at all, which it probably doesn't

 

[HF2000]

Oh yeah, absolutely agreed. Most stuff is going to be GPU bound anyway, and even if it isn't (like AC) it's not demanding that much, so it's really not going to make any difference.

From my side it's almost strictly psychological rather than performance -- I have an unhealthy need to feel I'm extracting the "most" for my money, even if in reality it makes literally no difference at all, which it probably doesn't

So all of this doesn't improve your lap times ?

 

[Chris Down]

So all of this doesn't improve your lap times ?

Faster CPU = more speed. Obvious in hindsight.

But of course, you also need good CPU thermals to keep the tyres cool.

 

[maxilogan]

So all of this doesn't improve your lap times ?

I bet it does

 

[RasmusP]

Oh yeah, absolutely agreed. Most stuff is going to be GPU bound anyway, and even if it isn't (like AC) it's not demanding that much, so it's really not going to make any difference.

From my side it's almost strictly psychological rather than performance -- I have an unhealthy need to feel I'm extracting the "most" for my money, even if in reality it makes literally no difference at all, which it probably doesn't

Totally on your side!
Problem is that power is kinda expensive (60€ per month for our apartment) and enabling the cpu power savings + adaptive cpu voltage etc is probably about 5€ per month.
"getting the most for my money" gets a different perspective then
That's why I needed my 3070. To have only 50% gpu load in ac and save energy you know...

 

[neesve]

Here's an old story:

I started practicing offline. It took some time, but I got that AMG dialled in pretty well I thought. Super stable, quick through corners, no spins, totally comfortable. Good times, little faster each lap. Then I go online... everybody is 3, 3.5s faster than I am.

It's disheartening.

I race the GT3 here for almost a year now. Compared to other online races i do, this is still the best racing. Partly because everybody is here to have a good en most importantly a FAIR race. But the other part is, there are drivers here that are really (world record) fast. This way you are always forced to push hard to get a good time. When i started i was also more than 3 sec of mostly, now it's around 1.5/2. Point is, it makes you a better driver if you NEED to push for a good laptime. You will get faster over time if you keep pushing!

 

[jackdyson31]

@random2k4 @RasmusP @Interslice @Goblin616 @JamKart22 @uvraver @maxilogan

Dear all,

Apologies for the late reply : busy work sched...

Thank you for such a warm, kind and heartfelt welcome to the AC racing community at RD. I appreciate every bit of advice given to me and I shall try to take it all in step by step.

Being so good at it and yet taking time out to show me the best way to start and become competitive speaks volumes about the generosity of people here. I am sure that everyone who said something to me has gained that knowledge from the hard experience of needing to go faster and drive safer. Having done enough of it myself, knowing well how hard it is to give away certain advantage, makes the welcome all the more sincerely felt and indeed to reciprocate.

Here is my plan along with a few details:

I already know beloved Monza from my Geof Crammond GP 2 days.

I have raced a few races in the RD rF2 Historic Series with Denis and company ; but speaking personally, I can't deal with rF2 anymore and I really liked AC/ACC as soon as I drove them. That said, I have always driven single seaters (e.g. GPL) and I don't know much about GT cars at all - if any help is available on understanding their nuances I would so appreciate it.

I have decided to race both categories (not abandoning friends in either).

@RasmusP -->I will try racing the AI as recommended to see what's what (yes, hud=helicorsa).

I promise to race cleanly respecting the rules and I promise to defend any legitimate position I have as hard as I can without running people off the road or making contact even if that means I lose.

@Goblin616 --> thank you so much : I would really appreciate a little tuition with setup and lines for the GT machines.

@random2k4 --> Ok I shall try out the Z4 and GT-R thanks so much for the suggestion.

@JamKart22 --> I think you just lost your position to me

@uvraver --> Ok I shall try to put Helicorsa in the midview : I usually hate any sort of HUD except gears/mph or tyres if I am driving in the race ... but I will start integrating this into my routine practice and thanks again for the advice.

Wishing you all a pleasant Friday night !

 

[Marko77]

I definitely quote. CF is a marvelous piece of software. So glad I installed it and happy that my name was there despite not being so common.

With regards to Helicorsa and it being useful or not, I agree that it may be a bit of redundant of you also have CF installed. Nevertheless, as a also-on-console player, I chose not to buy an untrawide monitor, and can't use triples for both money and space reasons, so my FOV, if I want it to be slightly realistic, doesn't allow me to see who's or what's around, and Helicorsa is helping with this, plus giving that visual aid to CF that is a welcome addition (IMHO).

Hi Omar. Been wanting to ask this question regarding the ultra wide. With 21:9 aspect ratio, do you actually see more of the sides or is it just stretched out more? Thx

 

[Goblin616]

*edit - got Stefan confused with Axel*

Hey guys. Last night I was online with Stefan (random2k4,) and with a little coaching and some tweaks to setup (with help from Stefan) I was able to beat my own lap record at Monza by over 1s. I was told I can upload the replay so others can watch and give tips, but I don't know how to upload to YouTube. Wouldn't I need to convert the replay to another format first?

**I'M SO SORRY STEFAN**

 

[Goblin616]

x

 

[random2k4]

Did you tried my tweaked setup also? Felt it was a little more st able then yours for the AMG