Grand Prix 4 Touring Car Championship - Season 5

[kedy89]

Don't see how this is a mod issue. The only thing that a mod has to do with actual (ai) behaviour is perf file and physics (and cap files possibly) afaik.

 

[Aidan Keranen]

I think you should just restart the season with some fresh regulations

I asked for that last season when we were a mere 3 races in, so I doubt that it will happen.

 

[the_sigman]

I asked for that last season when we were a mere 3 races in, so I doubt that it will happen.

Αfter three rounds I would not like to see it. Let's finish this one and we do this in S6.

 

[Jack Hunsley]

that was quite a bit before the test I did. When people didn't believe it was the pitstop bug, but instead that Harvey had to be pitted otherwise a retirement would occur. I saw a lot of electricals in this mod, and all the drivers made it around more than half the circuit with their cars still running.
Harvey being my teammate in my opinion is just a coincidence. As a moderator I do feel like it was the fairest thing to do say it was a pitstop bug (as it was proven to be the pitstop bug), had it been Aidan or anyone else (but only for electrical, loose wheel, throttle and brakes, those failures don't result in an instant DNF)

Perhaps I'm not making my point entirely clear:

I don't give a rat's hairy arse whether it was a pitstop bug or not.

The impression I'm getting is that you abused your 'power' as a moderator by altering results to your liking in contradiction to previous decisions and the will of those in the series. That's if you can call 3 to 2 a majority as it's also rather suspicious that this democratic vote for a decision you knew was going to be controversial even before the results went up apparently ended before more than five people could vote.

Likewise it's also worrying that another vote didn't take place after these 'tests' were carried out.

Now I'm not one to usually call 'copyright' on things as silly as video games, but in future seasons I'd rather you'd remove all references in this series to the GPTCC. I've seen smaller things snowball in the GP4 community and I'd rather distance myself as far as possible from decisions like this.

 

[Milos]

The impression I'm getting is that you abused your 'power' as a moderator by altering results to your liking in contradiction to previous decisions and the will of those in the series.

I suggest you check out page #9

about the decision after the test, perhaps you are right about that. So I will start another democratic vote (and this time there is more time, last time due to commentators I couldn't do it earlier)
We did notice it's a pitstop bug, so despite that, I am going to give a little fairness.. or unfairness rather, to the series.
I am going to have another vote. If people still are that desperate to have Daniel classified 17th, I don't give a rat's hairy arse either.
So the final democratic vote on this matter:
like-These results stand, and
creative-These results don't stand, Daniel will be classified 17th and DSQ-ed from race 3.

the marketplace will be extended by a bit because of this.

 

[Jack Hunsley]

I suggest you check out page #9

I fail to see what I'm supposed to be looking for.

 

[Aidan Keranen]

If this race happens to get redone, we need to confirm if Jamie did intend to race the final race of the weekend.
Having spoken to him today, he wasn't aware that only two of the races had been run. Doesn't mean that he will step back in but that is why I am checking.

Otherwise we've been able to obtain Nathan Cornes, aka @C0rrUpti0Nz, who is one of the most senior members of 2KF1, not to mention a gun of a driver in Trackmania (one of the few down here who can beat me. on occasion )
He'll take over the #23, in turn switching to #25.

 

[Aidan Keranen]

Also, I am a tad annoyed that some of the decisions here have been made due to commentary constraints. Commentary should not dictate anything. This right now wouldn't be happening if proper time was given to everyone on the matter, instead a snap decision was made based on people being able to talk about the race.

 

[Milos]

he wasn't aware that only two of the races had been run.

was he aware that he was the championship leader? Might seem a bit funny but I am interested to know. Probs he didn't know that race 3 hadn't started due to the arguing, we filled up quite a lot of pages and still counting (I don't even want to hear what Jimlaad has to say when he comes back )

Also, I am a tad annoyed that some of the decisions here have been made due to commentary constraints. Commentary should not dictate anything. This right now wouldn't be happening if proper time was given to everyone on the matter, instead a snap decision was made based on people being able to talk about the race.

I agree, but you did tell me that you needed to find a replacement after we started the race (otherwise I would have told the guys to wait another few minutes). Tim only told me about that during the commentary in skype chat.

 

[Aidan Keranen]

was he aware that he was the championship leader? Might seem a bit funny but I am interested to know. Probs he didn't know that race 3 hadn't started due to the arguing, we filled up quite a lot of pages and still counting (I don't even want to hear what Jimlaad has to say when he comes back )

I agree, but you did tell me that you needed to find a replacement after we started the race (otherwise I would have told the guys to wait another few minutes). Tim only told me about that during the commentary in skype chat.

Oh naturally I would rather see us race without a car. Obviously when something like this has been sprung on me I am going to try to sort it out.

 

[Millsy24]

+7 race BHP
-50 COF

 

[Muffin OCE]

Hey Guys, This is Nathan Cornes,
Nationality: Australian, taking over Jamie's car #23. I'll be looking forward to representing 2KF1.
Sponsors: C/E

 

[Aidan Keranen]

was he aware that he was the championship leader? Might seem a bit funny but I am interested to know. Probs he didn't know that race 3 hadn't started due to the arguing, we filled up quite a lot of pages and still counting (I don't even want to hear what Jimlaad has to say when he comes back )

I agree, but you did tell me that you needed to find a replacement after we started the race (otherwise I would have told the guys to wait another few minutes). Tim only told me about that during the commentary in skype chat.

to follow up yes, he did know he was leading. As you said he's probably lost the race number through all of that.
Now, am I going to get any assurances. At worst I want Nathan in the car if the series just pushes on past again.

 

[Márk Lintner]

2 race hp other to race skills

 

[Milos]

Now, am I going to get any assurances.

50$ for a missed race at worst, not entirely sure about a re-run now as I did believe Jamie knew about race 3, and didn't want to race, at least how he told me.

Nathan's total budget is 1450$ when we count all that, 150$ more than what Jamie would have gotten the first two races.

 

[Andy 'Mars Bar' Graham]

All in race bhp please

Personally I wasn't too bothered that Daniel got 5th. It was not worth several pages of arguing. It got annoying in the end when you could have quietly resolved the problem through PM's.

Personally, I think we should take a week or two off, cool down (I don't feel too comfortable reading all the posts. It's was too tense) and take a look at the rules before continuing with the rest of the season. Then for season six, we move to a different mod.

Also its a game. Do we really need to have a huge heated discussion (or argument) over it. I'm here to have fun along with the rest of you as that's what games should be

 

[Millsy24]

It was not worth several pages of arguing. It got annoying in the end when you could have quietly resolved the problem through PM's.

Personally, I think we should take a week or two off, cool down (I don't feel too comfortable reading all the posts. It's was too tense) and take a look at the rules before continuing with the rest of the season. Then for season six, we move to a different mod.

Also its a game. Do we really need to have a huge heated discussion (or argument) over it. I'm here to have fun along with the rest of you as that's what games should be

finally someone said it!

 

[Milos]

just 5 people voted out of a 5 page long rant? To see that I must say I am very suprised.
To see the outcome I am however not very suprised to see. I knew, exactly due to the rant, that people didn't seem to share the same opinion as me for the pitstop bug. I still stand on my opinion that the points I stated above on all the 5 pages are correct however, which ever way the voting goes.
Now I hope that democratic vote has raised faith in the moderator again, but really it's up to you. Weather winning absolutely nothing due to luck, for 3 seasons (I've watched every single race since season 2, if you need proof for bad luck go watch them all), and giving a vote despite it being clear that the pitstop bug has taken place = cheating, I leave to you to decide. (you can probably guess I do feel robbed, therefore mad, which was visible in the last part)

about the controvercy regarding Jamie leaving, race 3 is not going to be re-run. It would be too unfair to others (unless the others think the opposite? If anyone thinks that there should be a re-run due to that feel free to say it!)

I said in the race 3 video that Fuji was not going to be commentated. I decided that there needed to be a little more fun brought back into the game after those, as both Daniel and Andy confirmed, tense two days. If anyone is up for it, let me know via PM in the next two-three days.

oh and lastly, Jack, regarding the copyright, can you give me one more season, please? If season 6 ends up being screwed I will change the name of the series. I may aswell quit moderating.

now I do hope this is the FINAL post of the rant regarding Harvey's race 2 position. There is a vote above, vote if you want, I'll keep that open for a few more hours.

 

[Aidan Keranen]

50$ for a missed race at worst, not entirely sure about a re-run now as I did believe Jamie knew about race 3, and didn't want to race, at least how he told me.

Nathan's total budget is 1450$ when we count all that, 150$ more than what Jamie would have gotten the first two races.

Seemed to me that Jamie had little clue that race 3 was still to be done.

 

[Milos]

first of all - nice 2KF1 tactic Aidan , I didn't tell anyone from ART to like that post, and I am not going to. (premium powers should let you know that Andy didn't like the post, even though he was online. Pablo wasn't online)
secondly - aren't you tired of ranting? At least it's not Daniel, so that's good
thirdly - Jimlaad is back, he's probably looking at all that 5 pages of crap.. this ain't gonna end well