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[Michael Hornbuckle]

Sorry Shadow but reading the lies that you spew forth and seeing other people read them and get confused is not entertaining at all.

 

[betterstranger]

458gt2 @ monza.... lovely!

how about mods and famous FAIR USE? I'm civil engineer, not a lawyer but I always though that mods perfectly belong to the 'fair use' category - as long as no profit ($$$) is made by the author thanks to use of intellectuall rights and additionaly if they are made for private use only.
That's just pure logic. How Porsche can bitch about making mods without license... that are harmless to them and they don't record any material losses because of them?

It would be nice if someone (maybe some modder?) would explain me this matter.

PS. I'm thinking obviously about mods made from scratch by modders using only Porsche badges and names. Not about mods made from stolen Forza Motorsport 3d models...

 

[Shadow Explorer]

betterstranger, you can read a post made earlier on the subject.
Michael,I'm really sorry,I never lied about anything.I'm just used my current understanding of the situation combined with what is already been confirmed,and as it seems I was not far off what is really going on...
because you dissagree with someone doesn't automatically make him liar.

 

[betterstranger]

betterstranger, you can read a post made earlier on the subject.

I'm thinking about precise explenation from law point of view. I'm intelligent enough to know that Porsche can hire better lawyers than most of us can... ;-P

 

[Shadow Explorer]

There are different laws per region...and also laws can be interpreted differently be an individual lawyer,according to his understanding,or his clients needs...

it is just a gray area.as far as I know,because I'm interested in this,they normally fall under fair use.

however fair use in USA for example has to be proved in court.

A mod is definitely not a copyright infringement,since it is not copying anything of the original product (the real life car). but it does include unauthorized use of the design,which is IP owned by the automaker.
is different than copyright infringement as far as I know.

 

[Michael Hornbuckle]

When Kunos says nothing about getting rid of modding in AC and you come on here and tell everybody that modding has been phased out how is that not a lie? You didn't read anywhere Kunos saying that modding would no longer be part of the program, yet you tell anyone that will listen it is so; that is a lie.

That's all I have to say about that, this thread is supposed to be about AC latest news...

 

[Shadow Explorer]

this is speculation,I never passed it as a fact,otherwise I wouldn't ask anything regarding modding.
It would be insane to do so.

 

[Shadow Explorer]

continuing the previous post.

Since most mods are not products (they are free as in no money involved)
The laws of the market shouldn't apply to them.

The other side of the problem is created by the game industry,
Games are products (even if they containg pieces of art)
so as a product it has to follow the rules of the market.(licenses etc)
mods compete with that market. Thus while they still fall under fair use, they are back in a grey area.

But this is an artificially problem created by the market itself.
For example it is perfectly fine to sell a 3d model of an automaker.
look at 3d marketplaces.

a mod essentially is a 3d model with some other files (I'm not trying to downplay their importance) So suddenly it is not considered an art asset...

 

[Bram Hengeveld]

continuing the previous post.

Since most mods are not products (they are free as in no money involved)
The laws of the market shouldn't apply to them.

Sometimes they do though, but thats a subject for a new thread you can start. This one is to post the latest news which has now been the Ferrari GT2 video.

Feel free to start a new thread about modding and legality as its indeed a grey area and very interesting to discuss but its subject doesn't fit this thread.

 

[Truand2laBiffle]

For example it is perfectly fine to sell a 3d model of an automaker.

Well, it should not be.

 

[Shadow Explorer]

Well, it should not be.

LOL! ever heard something like freedom of expression? I want to insult you really. so please Imagine me doing so.XD

Bram I think you can move these posts to a new thread. it is fair to do so.

 

[Jorge Alves]

that are harmless to them and they don't record any material losses because of them?

If people make a good Porsche mod then there will be no need for the game developer to buy the "license" and develop the Porsche car itself ... and maybe that can be considered a material loss ... or not ...

 

[Bram Hengeveld]

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[GamerMuscle]

If I may, I'll provide my answer to that question. When I was a kid, I didn't have a poster of an Aura T5 or Howston Hammer on my wall; I had a Porsche 911 Turbo, or a Chevy Corvette. Admittedly, it is purely mental and emotional, but hey, humans are emotional creatures. Because I will never own one, it is much more satisfying sitting in my sim rig simulating driving what would be the closest rendition of a Lamborghini or Ferarri that I can possibly get. That may not be logical, but it's true, and I will be very appreciative of a modding community that adheres to that principle, even if I may be one of very few that hold that opinion. Even if I know that the physics are the same and the car is cosmetically very similar, it's just not the same. Bottom line; personally, it's just not as satisfying, and I don't think I can change that.

The difference is the poster is limited to the one aspect of the brand and the image of the car , a poster cannot offer anything else where as a simulator can and a simulator can arguably offer aspects that are far more intrinsic to what a car is.

The crux of a simulator is how the car drives , that's the one thing it offers over video and images.

To comply with copyright its not like you would have to change everything, the car could likely look identical with literally just a name change , the physics don't have to be changed at all.

So other than a name change and subtle changes to badges it would be the closest rendition of a Lamborghini you could get and crucially you cannot copyright the physics of the car.

And by having it on a platform like workshop you are far more likely to get into races with other people and actually far more closely experience what its like to race that car than if its on some random website in a mess of mod files as we typically see with most simulators.

"it's just not the same."

Well its not the same already because you are sat in a chair at a pc on something that really is nothing like the experience of driving a real car the only thing that is the same is the general inputs and the general nature of how the object moves around which is something that is not affected by copyright.

I'm not arguing that people should make ridiculous fictional cars. I'm just saying if a replication of a Ferrari has a different name and lacks the badges but other than that is identical then that really has no real impact on things.

If you are really into brands and visuals of cars and that's your focus then just buy models of the cars , get posters , or watch videos of them.

Because of the marketing force behind brands I certainly see the importance when it comes to selling copies of a core game and the product itself having spot on IP , but for mods so long as the car looks the same and drives the same disliking it because it has 1 letter different and not the official logo and some other subtle changes simply doesn't make logical sense.

 

[Mo Selvarajah]

If I may, I'll provide my answer to that question. When I was a kid, I didn't have a poster of an Aura T5 or Howston Hammer on my wall; I had a Porsche 911 Turbo, or a Chevy Corvette. Admittedly, it is purely mental and emotional, but hey, humans are emotional creatures. Because I will never own one, it is much more satisfying sitting in my sim rig simulating driving what would be the closest rendition of a Lamborghini or Ferarri that I can possibly get. That may not be logical, but it's true, and I will be very appreciative of a modding community that adheres to that principle, even if I may be one of very few that hold that opinion. Even if I know that the physics are the same and the car is cosmetically very similar, it's just not the same. Bottom line; personally, it's just not as satisfying, and I don't think I can change that.

cannot believe the amount of people on here who are bothered whether the car looks like a 'real car' or has the same name as a real car.
its completely arbitrary.

people here have acknowledged its irrational.
i could not care less what the car is called, as long as it drives like a real car and the driving experience syncs up to reality, that is all that matters.

its this sort of mentality which stops humans from reaching enlightenment.
youve all been completely brainwashed my marketing and endorsement, to want to consume ever more products - to the point where you even acknowledge that its rational. Your emotional attachment to these products are a complete fantasy.

i really hope your sort of thinking doesnt stop modders from making good mods and just calling the cars random names.

 

[Mapu]

not exactly right, most car designs are protected by law too (porsche fly-line is a strong example)

 

[BanjoMaster]

its this sort of mentality which stops humans from reaching enlightenment.
youve all been completely brainwashed my marketing and endorsement, to want to consume ever more products - to the point where you even acknowledge that its rational. Your emotional attachment to these products are a complete fantasy.

I think this board has just reached new levels of hysteria...

 

[Shadow Explorer]

cannot believe the amount of people on here who are bothered whether the car looks like a 'real car' or has the same name as a real car.
its completely arbitrary.

people here have acknowledged its irrational.
i could not care less what the car is called, as long as it drives like a real car and the driving experience syncs up to reality, that is all that matters.

its this sort of mentality which stops humans from reaching enlightenment.
youve all been completely brainwashed my marketing and endorsement, to want to consume ever more products - to the point where you even acknowledge that its rational. Your emotional attachment to these products are a complete fantasy.

i really hope your sort of thinking doesnt stop modders from making good mods and just calling the cars random names.

man its not about marketing,it is about respecting your source of inspiration..
by changing the badge,you change nothing. because shapes are still IP and belongs to the mother company.

regardless if the copyright laws are complete garbage,there should be some respect to the original designers of the car and the car itself.

in a sim you want to drive a ferrari(I'm not,just saying),you might not care if it is called mad horse or something.
but in the end you want to drive it. so **** those who actually created it right?

I would like to see a day when a modder creates an original design and an car maker (preferably chinese) chooses to steal the design.

Everyone will jump and scream how filthy the company is....

If you want to fight something, fight to change the law itself that is tailored to satisfy the needs of big corporations.

I will always respect the original creator even if that deems illegal. it is much better to be illegal than be unethical and name a car something else to avoid a stupid law....l

 

[Mo Selvarajah]

I think this board has just reached new levels of hysteria...

how am i the hysterical one??? if anything im the complete opposite, im the realist.
im not the one whos got some irrational attachment to a product which i cannot even buy.

 

[GamerMuscle]

man its not about marketing,it is about respecting your source of inspiration..
by changing the badge,you change nothing. because shapes are still IP and belongs to the mother company.

regardless if the copyright laws are complete garbage,there should be some respect to the original designers of the car and the car itself.

in a sim you want to drive a ferrari(I'm not,just saying),you might not care if it is called mad horse or something.
but in the end you want to drive it. so **** those who actually created it right?

I would like to see a day when a modder creates an original design and an car maker (preferably chinese) chooses to steal the design.

Everyone will jump and scream how filthy the company is....

If you want to fight something, fight to change the law itself that is tailored to satisfy the needs of big corporations.

I will always respect the original creator even if that deems illegal. it is much better to be illegal than be unethical and name a car something else to avoid a stupid law....l

By that logic do you disrespect people that do paintings of race cars ?
Maybe people that photograph sports cars ?
what about cartoonists that do slight variations on real world cars?

If the mod happened to look like the real thing and people interpret it as that then is that not just marketing for the real thing ?

If we are going to put aside IP / copyright laws which have there own intricacies and specifics regadless of reality.
Then honestly if you have artists recreating a real world object that is not the real world object and is essentially promotion for that real world object how is that in anyway a detraction from the real world object ?

in the 90s allot of kids wouldn't have known about subaru if it had not been for games like CMR , just think of AC randomly got a good sales figures and then a mod for the delta wing got in the game think how much traffic and interest that would push to the designer.