2012 Formula One Brazilian Grand Prix

[Diego Lopez]

Whoever thinks F1 is just about the drivers really needs to learn more about the sport. There is not one single WDC out there who has won in a bad car. They may or may not have had the best car, but every WDC became champ in a good car.

To be the champ you need:

- a good car
- a good driver
- a good team supporting the car and the driver

and finally to be WDC you also need

- some good luck along the way

he is implying drivers...not comparing drivers with cars.

we are talking about the human physical being itself with the characteristics and skills each provide. body, brain, mind, etc, you cannot compare each driver with different machinery until everything is 100% the same.

but yes I agree with your luck part.

 

[Michael Brown]

Well done Vettel! What a race!

Lolest moment of the race:

Remember that guy from the Senna movie? "Escape roads are not for escaping through. They're, in fact, for stopping in, turning around, and going back out of."

 

[Diego Lopez]

It was an incredible race. A bit disappointed with the result, but it was really exciting all the way through.

And don't get me wrong, Vettel is clearly a great driver. But just how ********** lucky can you get?

Vettel turned into Senna, gets spun, gets hit by Perez, has unrepairable damage in the floor. The car still flies.

Alonso was great again, and Massa did a really oustanding team effort in the first laps. It's really great for him that he got to get on the podium in his home race after his race. Button had a good race again, and wins the first and the last race of the season. It was a real shame for Hamilton though, ending his final race with McLaren with a DNF.

yeah quiet true.

I really dont get Ham and Hulk crash investigated while Vet and Senna not even looked at, I mean its a non contact sport, no matter whos fault it was really? where is the FIA consistancy? even if Senna was at fault....

 

[Diego Lopez]

Remember that guy from the Senna movie? "Escape roads are not for escaping through. They're, in fact, for stopping in, turning around, and going back out of."

well spotted with the quote, I think it was Ron Dennis who quoted the rules back in that video I believe

 

[William Liu]

Flags were confirmed as red and yellow. No more doubts

 

[Ketnix]

I really dont get Ham and Hulk crash investigated while Vet and Senna not even looked at, I mean its a non contact sport, no matter whos fault it was really? where is the FIA consistancy? even if Senna was at fault....

Im sure its being looked at or maybe its already been looked at, have some faith in the officials.

 

[James Hemp]

The flag incident is interesting. Pat Fry says its not a yellow and I read on F1 technical that he said even if it was, Kamui pitted straight after so Vettel had no chance of returning the position.

Fry was referring to waved flags in sector 2 but as far as I recall Vettel overtook Kamui in sector 3. It would be preety interesting if the FIA wouldn't even consider to analyse this. So what Koba entered the pits? It is a violation of the rules - overtaking on yellow flags. It's not that I want Vettel to be penalised but I want total fairness. Although he's not my favorite he proved once again he has skills.

 

[Metalfreaky]

Well done Vettel! What a race!

Lolest moment of the race:

"Just leave me alone, I know what I'm doing."
Oh, the irony

 

[William Liu]

Fry was referring to waved flags in sector 2 but as far as I recall Vettel overtook Kamui in sector 3. It would be preety interesting if the FIA wouldn't even consider to analyse this. So what Koba entered the pits? It is a violation of the rules - overtaking on yellow flags. It's not that I want Vettel to be penalised but I want total fairness. Although he's not my favorite he proved once again he has skills.

red and yellow "slippery track/oil" flags. Not yellow caution flags.

 

[Ejike Wodu]

Did Massa drive fantastically or was it just me that thought that?
Sorted Alonso out by positioning his car perfectly when it mattered.

 

[My993C2]

It's not that I want Vettel to be penalised but I want total fairness.

How about when Alonso messed up his braking point going into turn #1 in the early laps of the race and then clearly cut across the track in order to maintain track position. He didn't do this just once (messing up and cutting the track), he did it twice though the second time likely would not have resulted in losing track position because there was nobody close to him the second time he messed up.

They gave Vettel a 20 second penalty in Germany for leaving the track gaining an advantage. If you were truly honest about wanting to be fair, you would also acknowledge that Alonso should be given one maybe two 20 second penalties in Brazil for cutting the track to maintain his advantage of track position.

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

How about when Alonso messed up his braking point going into turn #1 in the early laps of the race and then clearly cut across the track in order to maintain track position. He didn't do this just once (messing up and cutting the track), he did it twice though the second time likely would not have resulted in losing track position because there was nobody close to him the second time he messed up.

They gave Vettel a 20 second penalty in Germany for leaving the track gaining an advantage. If you were truly honest about wanting to be fair, you would also acknowledge that Alonso should be given one maybe two 20 second penalties in Brazil for cutting the track to maintain his advantage of track position.

Nope. The rule states that you cannot gain an advantage by going off track. However, it does not matter if you loose 0.1 sec or 15.

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

red and yellow "slippery track/oil" flags. Not yellow caution flags.

I see this is mentioned, by I cannot see any red and yellow, no matter how hard I try!

 

[Dmitry Zaharov]

Meanwhile, Petrov gave Caterham a miraculous 11th place which means they 10th in constructors championship, he made team bosses very happy. Kovalainen sounded extremely angry and blamed poor strategy. Looks like he's out. 1 race win, 1 pole. Goodbye Heikki.

 

[James Hemp]

red and yellow "slippery track/oil" flags. Not yellow caution flags.

As soon as I can get my hands on the recording of the race I will show you what I mean. The only flag waved was indeed a yellow+red for slippery conditions. After that I did not see any more flags but I could see preety clear what color were the lights. And when I say lights I mean these...

http://cdn.i.haymarket.net.au/Utils...raImages/20120710101635_yellow+flag.jpg&w=355

 

[James Hemp]

How about when Alonso messed up his braking point going into turn #1 in the early laps of the race and then clearly cut across the track in order to maintain track position. He didn't do this just once (messing up and cutting the track), he did it twice though the second time likely would not have resulted in losing track position because there was nobody close to him the second time he messed up.

They gave Vettel a 20 second penalty in Germany for leaving the track gaining an advantage. If you were truly honest about wanting to be fair, you would also acknowledge that Alonso should be given one maybe two 20 second penalties in Brazil for cutting the track to maintain his advantage of track position.

I'm not quite sure Alonso gained time by cutting the corner the first time, actually Hulk passed him so he lost time and places. And regarding the second time, I don't quite remember what was the state of the track but I think it was getting wet while he still was on slicks. I'm not 100% sure how the marshals react in these situations but I think that was fair.

Just to be crystal clear I'm not fond of Alonso either. Of the two, yeah, I prefer the spaniard but Alonso is far from being my favorite. Heck, Massa is even ahead of Fernando in my list

edit: Btw. Sebastian looked rather nervous before the start and uncomfortable with the results during FP and Q. It would have been interesting to see him not taking the title. I mean his reactions/ behaviour would have been interesting.

 

[James Hemp]

I hope I'm not offending anyone by this but Newey's gestures sometimes indicate something interesting about his... orientations And I found this on google

http://gay-or-straight.com/Adrian Newey

Anyway, the guy is darn good at what he does.

 

[Ole Marius Myrvold]

Maybe not offending, but just as the religion-discussion, I cannot see what that has to do with anything.

 

[James Hemp]

It's just a curiosity, if I can say that. Whenever I saw him being interviewed (not many times) but especially after today's race he gave me that impression. It's a shame...

I'm running sky sports in the background and they're showing the replay of the race right now. Vettel clearly overtook Kobayashi on the yellow flags/lights waaaaaaaay beyond the pit lane entry.

 

[Victor Ivanov]

So it's over. What are we gonna do next 3-4 months?