Windows 11 Upgrade?

[Bob Gnarley]

Large gains to be had for AM5 and possibly AM4 users with Win 11 24H2.

 

[RasmusP]

Large gains to be had for AM5 and possibly AM4 users with Win 11 24H2.

What the..?!
I guess they'll be testing 5800X3D, 7800X3D and Intels next. Can't wait!
I'm still on a dual boot with trusty Win 10 + Win 11 22H2.
Gonna be interesting to update to 24H2!

 

[Terry Rock]

I'm hearing the 24H2 will not support WMR...hopefully that is wrong.
It'll be interesting to see how or if the 5800X3D will gain any performance.

 

[Neilski]

Large gains to be had for AM5 and possibly AM4 users with Win 11 24H2.

Rather surprising to see such enormous wins. Implies that something was very wrong with the previous versions, and while that's not a big deal with Zen 5 (cos it's new) it's a pretty big deal indeed for Zen 4 - so much performance left on the table for so long?!

I will now need to hunt for an explanation of what was actually changed in this update...

edit: this is an interesting video, with some further insights...

 

[RasmusP]

Rather surprising to see such enormous wins. Implies that something was very wrong with the previous versions

Fun thing about this is that the performance between Win 10 and Win 11 was pretty much identical.
So someone apparently found some treasure

 

[Neilski]

Fun thing about this is that the performance between Win 10 and Win 11 was pretty much identical.
So someone apparently found some treasure

Hmmm... In that case, I do hope that they find a way to help the Win 10 users then, because I am still planning on building an AMD rig soon and would prefer not to use Win 11...

 

[RCHeliguy]

This is a change in their support of ARM and AMD's architecture happens to benefit. Intel chips see no benefit.

 

[Terry Rock]

When Steve's test info for the 9000 series did not line up with AMD's they disclosed that the admin account had two tiers.
The one we are accustomed to running on things like cmd and another upper tier needing an instruction set to access.
Windows apparently unlocks that along with some other scheduling goodies.
This is great news given the sometimes massive uplift.
I will take it.

 

[Durge Driven]

What the..?!
I guess they'll be testing 5800X3D, 7800X3D and Intels next. Can't wait!
I'm still on a dual boot with trusty Win 10 + Win 11 22H2.
Gonna be interesting to update to 24H2!

No use with 7800X3D@3440 for me rF2 / LMU I limit as it is.

Maybe I need to take up Wukong
10M in 3 days
Games make me sick

 

[RasmusP]

Old and new Ryzen CPUs get a speed boost from optional Windows update

And it turns out that old Ryzen CPUs benefit almost as much as newer ones.

arstechnica.com

Sadly I'm somehow stuck at 22H2 (I have the "education" version, since I got the key via the university and it's an "upgrade" compared to pro. Not for getting the big updates though...).

 

[Durge Driven]

Is this the same problem ? lol
Do I get fps gain x 2 ? lol

No wonder I always had best performance.
Never log into MS ! EXCEPT the first time you register your OS ...then do another fresh install ( offline )
Delete partitions, click NEXT it will remake same size with activation.
Do everything you can offline including windows updates
Go online do rest of windows updates ( 1 small update + antimalware + antivirus ) Run update 3 times. Activation is auto, no Bill needed.

As I said in help during W11 offline setup you use the OOBE\BYPASSNRO command to bypass log in which lets you make a local account beforehand, so then Bill won't ask again.

No need to log into Bill ever again well until you swap to W12 ( whatever ) assuming you buy retail, I recommend .

All this BS about logging in then making a Local Account is POS, what a bunch of BS.

My way is better ? and why does this need a patch ? when good ol' cluster nut KBxxxxx "screw your partitions" has not been fixed yet ?

 

[Durge Driven]

Sadly I'm somehow stuck at 22H2 (I have the "education" version, since I got the key via the university and it's an "upgrade" compared to pro. Not for getting the big updates though...).

Mate I would buy W11 Pro retail from link above
64GB -256GB SSD to run alone
When you bored use it, test, diags. 23H2/24H2 .......when you feel like it until you happy to convert, if.
Should be able to disable / enable right drives in Bios to use 3 OS.

 

[Durge Driven]

Just did fresh W11 Pro for my "everyday tower" as heap of new drivers saved up.
Good old faithful 3400G-Vega11 that runs gmotor1.0/2.0 off it's head
Took 30 minutes almost finished here ( takes less then 1/2 the time of sim tower )
Local account done and never logged into Bill.

 

[Johan Falk]

I built a new computer over a year ago based on AMD 5900X, decided to try Win 11. Must say I am overall positive. Some things are hidden an extra click away but for daily use it is ok.

 

[RasmusP]

Mate I would buy W11 Pro retail from link above
64GB -256GB SSD to run alone
When you bored use it, test, diags. 23H2/24H2 .......when you feel like it until you happy to convert, if.
Should be able to disable / enable right drives in Bios to use 3 OS.

Yep, that's the plan. Just need to dig out one of the stored away small SSDs
No need to buy anything though, I can just use my university license. I won't select "education" this time though...
(the main "upgrade" is that you have some fancy group policy things, which I don't need)

 

[Neilski]

Sadly I'm somehow stuck at 22H2 (I have the "education" version, since I got the key via the university and it's an "upgrade" compared to pro. Not for getting the big updates though...).

Ouch! I thought it would just keep on updating. My daughter also got the education version while in uni, and I must now go and check if her updates also stopped happening at some point...

I do remember being impressed that the Education version was "better" than Pro, but I've now entirely forgotten if any of the "better than Pro" features were worth much to her

Is this the same problem ?

Probably, but that video looks old enough to have been before people (with more info from AMD) worked out what was happening.

Some things are hidden an extra click away

Yeah, an extra click or 5
(I've only used Win 11 so far in a VM, but I was horrified at how many things were nerfed, removed or made needlessly complicated.)

 

[Durge Driven]

I bet gmotor goes backwards with 24H2

Great for people need extra fps of course, I bet many are using that admin account right now.
ACC gets a healthily rise too.
I consigned to 3440x1440 for foreseeable future, with 7800X3D-RTX4080S is overkill for sims.
rF2/LMU barely drop a frame using 144fps + 120 fps locked in respective json files.

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Personally I offer same advice for anyone else, same as others for years.....
Buy a small SSD can be the cheapest you can find, speed is not a issue here , 500mb SSD sata will do.
Buy W11 Pro retail key ( buy from shop I linked I will guarantee 100% as long as you login to Microsoft account straight away , register key/tower ) I say get retail as then you can upgrade hardware or PC no issues.
Then do another fresh install, no need for Microsoft, ( delete all partitions and click NEXT not new)
No VM or other software not needed to test, steam and couple sims will do.

EXPLORER PATCHER
OPEN SHELL
WINAERO
With these you will barely tell W10 and W11 apart.

There is no tool or app or sim software I use that does not work 100% in W11 from W10
Run as admin fixes most issues.

There are all these 10 best reasons why not to use W11 videos
I mean top reason given
"Your computer may need a upgrade aka TPM"
With logic like that ......... lol
All the rest of issues W11 tools have better solutions for me.
With above tools I have more context menus then either W10/W11 combined.
Yes right that is another top 10 complaint even though it's simple to get around.

 

[Durge Driven]

AMD announced a branch prediction optimization for its Ryzen processors, now available for Windows 11 version 23H2 through an optional update. This update targets AMD Ryzen processors built on the Zen 3, 4 and 5, enhancing gaming performance on regular Windows accounts, including non-local (online) accounts. Users can find this update under "Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 23H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5041587)" in the Windows Update section.

P.S. You can't manually download and install this.

 

[Durge Driven]

Windows 11 Surpasses Windows 10 in Latest Steam Hardware Survey

Steam released the results of its monthly hardware and software survey, indicating that Windows 11 has overtaken Windows 10 as the most widely used operating system on the platform.

www.guru3d.com

2 types ignore trends, I leave it to your imagination

 

[Durge Driven]

Gawd people jump through all different hoops.
Latest panic about Explorer Patcher
Read the last post ( shrugs )

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