Was Ocon to Blame for Verstappen Accident?
- Thread starter Paul Jeffrey
- Start date
Ocon was only faster in 2 laps in this race.. also he would have gotten blue flags immediately again, since he could not handle this speed for more than 3 laps consecutively
Verstappen would have gotten drs on the next straight. Leaving Ocon with blue flags again.
If Ocon could actually really follow Verstappens speed, there would be no reason why he was 16th...
He was 16th for a reason.. being too slow
Clearly Ocon to blame.
He failed to out brake into T1... that is the only time it's done and normally on the inside.
Unless the leader goes wide in T2 to miss the apex then the door is always going to close at the T2 apex. As a driver you want to maximize T2 to get a good run into the long straight that follows.
In hind sight VER should have given more space, or let OCO pass in this case... but OCO should not have pushed the failed T1 attempt into T2 and cause the contact. Just because you have the right to un-lap yourself doesn't then mean you can bully the leader out of a corner.
He failed to out brake into T1... that is the only time it's done and normally on the inside.
Unless the leader goes wide in T2 to miss the apex then the door is always going to close at the T2 apex. As a driver you want to maximize T2 to get a good run into the long straight that follows.
In hind sight VER should have given more space, or let OCO pass in this case... but OCO should not have pushed the failed T1 attempt into T2 and cause the contact. Just because you have the right to un-lap yourself doesn't then mean you can bully the leader out of a corner.
I'm split. For the attempted overtake, obviously Ocon was biting off more than he could chew and should have let Max go. Ocon was never going to keep Max behind him so there was no reason to pass him.
As for the collision I blame Max. There was no way that he was going to hit that apex with Ocon challenging him, and Max was the only one who had the ability to avoid the collision, Ocon had literally nowhere to go. Once he committed to the maneuver, backing out of it on a declining corner without losing balance or locking up is easier said than done.
As for the collision I blame Max. There was no way that he was going to hit that apex with Ocon challenging him, and Max was the only one who had the ability to avoid the collision, Ocon had literally nowhere to go. Once he committed to the maneuver, backing out of it on a declining corner without losing balance or locking up is easier said than done.
OCO had lots of time to realize his challenge was over in T1. There is lots of runoff and a brake peddle. As it was they just barely made contact, and both finished the race.
Still it makes for good drama, and F1 needs all it can muster.
Irrelevant. The rule states that it's allowed to unlap yourself, so it's not at question what happens before or after in this matter. Verstappen made the contact, not Ocon.
Nope Ocon did. Ocon had a right to fight of course, but NOT in the way of the leader(s).
In this case Ocon was clearly behind in T2 and Verstappen just had the racing line because he was the leader.
Also, on the next straight, Ocon would've received a blue flag. Btw, looking at ocon's smile I doubt he'd let VER pass anyway.
Back in the day Irvine overtook Senna without contact, but still Senna had quite a talk with Irvine about this
True. I watched again. But every time I look at the incident I change my mind. Should make a great case study for future race leaders and back-markers as to what NOT to do in this situation.
Yes he has, even with the leaders. That's why it's called 'unlapping'.
You can't if you cannot avoid them. You can only overtake if you're 100% sure you'll pass without being in the way. After T1 OCO could easily see he wouldn't make it
For my it is clear like every week Why I must defence
It is my opinion. The whole opinion for 99% on the internet most of the vote of this poll. Again ex race drivers say Ocon must give that space.
Only some experts here 1%
and every week the same people they blame Max for all what he is doing he had doing nothing he is leader of the race ... and deserve to win the race yesterday there was a blue flag. Wtf why this discusion. Only it is Max Ocon had the inside line in T2 and Verstappen could've known he was there.
If Verstappen had taken the wider line, then nothing would've been lost. To me a racing incident, but most of the blame on Verstappen.
Last edited:
Wow!
Haven't yet seen the race.
Max is lucky not to receive a race ban and massive fine for that shove.
F1 frowns on that kind of thing.
For my it is clear like every week Why I must defence
It is my opinion. The whole opinion for 99% on the internet most of the vote of this poll. Again ex race drivers say Ocon must give that space.
Only some experts here 1%
Of course Max played his part, as he could simply have given the space and the incident would have been avoided. I'm quite confident this is how Hamilton would have acted in the same situation, he would have avoided Ocon and cursed him later in the team radio.
I think this would have been judged a racing incident had it happened between cars on the same laps. So to me it wasn't so much the move itself that was a problem, just that it was a bit optimistic and naive to race like that as a lapped car.
Lol
Have you ever seen things Senna, Piquet and Schumacher did?
This was nothing
Lol..
Have you ever seen things Senna, Piquet and Schumacher did?
This was nothing
There is no reason why Verstappen should have taken a wider line. He had the right of the racing line because he was the leader, one lap in front of Ocon. Ocon should have found a line outside the racing line, without getting in the way of the leader.
That's the only way you're allowed to unlapp yourself
Didn't Schumacher once get out on track and hit the other driver over the head.
Last edited:
