VR keeps me focused as my vision is taken up. Screens easily distract me. The 3D elements of VR are unparalleled. Where as 2D tech is well matured with limited gains to be had going forward, VR has a world of progress ahead of it. It’s already a more immersive tech that still has major evolutionary steps left to achieve and will be miles ahead for realism always.
When next gen VR arrives, I’ll be curious to see how many objections (which make sense) still hold up.
When next gen VR arrives, I’ll be curious to see how many objections (which make sense) still hold up.
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Actually Luke Palmer is working on a solution for that.
https://uploadvr.com/palmer-luckey-is-working-on-a-solution-for-vr-sickness/
https://uploadvr.com/palmer-luckey-is-working-on-a-solution-for-vr-sickness/
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I use virtual reality technology to play racing simulators and often play racing VR games in the center of virtual reality in Melbourne - https://virivr.com.au/. I think that virtual reality technology helps create good simulations. For me personally, virtual reality allows you to more deeply immerse in the gameplay and get a lot more emotion from a racing simulator. Therefore, together with a special seat, steering wheel, and virtual reality helmet, I can get a great racing simulator.
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VR all day, it is impossible to go back to the flat screen. Even if I had triple screens before.
It takes a week or two to get used to. I got motion sickness after just a few seconds in the start. I ate a lot of ginger, stopped when I got sick, and tried again when I was good again. Slowly I got used to it, it took about a month before I could keep my eyes open when reversing. Now I dont get sick anymore. Can even go lower than 90 FPS, without getting sick. Also, in the start, it seems impossible to race a race, then a 15 min race, then 20, then an our race. But now I can race all day, if I had time for it. I use a Lenovo WMR headset, cost me 200 dollars, and I am really happy with it. Took off the foam at the front, and now it is even better. (slightly increase in FOV).
It is a magical thing to actually sit in the car and race. The only downside is that now I get upset when new sims dont support VR... And flat screen racing has become somewhat boring. (Still play DR2 on a flat screen, it is much more fun with DR1 and VR thou.)
It takes a week or two to get used to. I got motion sickness after just a few seconds in the start. I ate a lot of ginger, stopped when I got sick, and tried again when I was good again. Slowly I got used to it, it took about a month before I could keep my eyes open when reversing. Now I dont get sick anymore. Can even go lower than 90 FPS, without getting sick. Also, in the start, it seems impossible to race a race, then a 15 min race, then 20, then an our race. But now I can race all day, if I had time for it. I use a Lenovo WMR headset, cost me 200 dollars, and I am really happy with it. Took off the foam at the front, and now it is even better. (slightly increase in FOV).
It is a magical thing to actually sit in the car and race. The only downside is that now I get upset when new sims dont support VR... And flat screen racing has become somewhat boring. (Still play DR2 on a flat screen, it is much more fun with DR1 and VR thou.)
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Here is what I've found from having many guests without VR experience try out my racing rig.
1. You need a solid frame rate. Holding 90fps helps.
2. A motion system helps dramatically. It makes you "feel" like you are moving and is enough to trick your brain into believing the motion is happening.
3. Transducers help incrementally. They mostly add texture, but feeling the engine revving and getting the bumps in the road helps sell the motion.
Initially I had an under powered computer and and no motion or transducers. In real life I've flown planes, like roller coasters, and can read for a while in a car without getting sick. It took me a week of half hour driving to get my VR legs. I got queasy each day for 5 days in a row and then I was basically over it.
If I had guests come over I would save the driving sims for last because the results were always the same.
Then I dramatically upgraded my rig with a Sim-Lab P1, NLRv3, more transducers with better placement and finally upgraded the CPU from an i5-4960 to an i9-9900K.
The frame rate was rock solid with SS, the motion system was synced up well and there appears to be no lag time with control inputs. It felt night and day better to me even with my VR "immunity".
This Spring I had a couple friends over who had tried it out 6 months earlier without motion or the CPU upgrade. They really enjoyed it this time and agreed it was much better. They spend the better part of two hours playing racing sims before going to room scale.
Last Friday I had a party with 24 guests and a number of them tried out my racing rig. No one got queasy. They loved it! There was a lot of laughing as people plowed into tire walls or drove off cliffs.
The Catch-22. I would argue that queasiness is not a right of passage for "most" people with the right setup. However I doubt many people would go all in on a motion system until they've already gotten hooked. Considering VR is less expensive to setup than a serious rig, I'm betting that a good number of people will have bad experiences in VR before setting up a motion system or transducers.
There are also exceptions. If you are a person who gets car sick easily in a real car and can't handle roller coasters in REAL LIFE, you can't expect the experience to be better in VR. My wife fits into this category. After all the upgrades she tried some cart racing in VR. She lasted for a while, but had to stop.
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I agree with the above, however I DO get car sickness (if a passenger) and cant read in the car at all.
I drive for a living and I am VERY experienced in driving fast in stressful conditions, but cant be a passenger at all.
However I have never experienced motion sickness in VR since day one when driving sims.
First person shooters on the other hand I feel sick just thinking about them and how it made me feel after only a couple of minutes, and that's after being a VR user for 3 or 4 years now.
My wife's daughter and her niece both tried hot lapping and both felt fine, however my wife's work mate's husband had a go for a couple of minutes and was really ill for rest of the day throwing up.
I think its the luck of the draw if you suffer with it or not.
I drive for a living and I am VERY experienced in driving fast in stressful conditions, but cant be a passenger at all.
However I have never experienced motion sickness in VR since day one when driving sims.
First person shooters on the other hand I feel sick just thinking about them and how it made me feel after only a couple of minutes, and that's after being a VR user for 3 or 4 years now.
My wife's daughter and her niece both tried hot lapping and both felt fine, however my wife's work mate's husband had a go for a couple of minutes and was really ill for rest of the day throwing up.
I think its the luck of the draw if you suffer with it or not.
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RCHeliguy
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@ThugUK, My son has never gotten queasy playing in VR on anything, so I guess you and he fit that category.
I must be in the middle somewhere. I find I can now run though a couple 8 stage Rally events comfortably.
A couple more issues mentioned:
For fogged up lenses I use this and it is very effective. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004TRQAEU
To stay cool, I have added a cyclone fan that sits directly in front of my rig.
For keyboard issues I've added a button box to my rig with buttons to reset, start engine and for seat movements so they are mapped the same way in all games.
My keyboard and trackball mouse are directly to my left on a tray with adjustable height. I can easily walk through menus with arrow keys and do other minor things by feel. A trackball mouse makes sense in VR because it doesn't physically move.
I must be in the middle somewhere. I find I can now run though a couple 8 stage Rally events comfortably.
A couple more issues mentioned:
For fogged up lenses I use this and it is very effective. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004TRQAEU
To stay cool, I have added a cyclone fan that sits directly in front of my rig.
For keyboard issues I've added a button box to my rig with buttons to reset, start engine and for seat movements so they are mapped the same way in all games.
My keyboard and trackball mouse are directly to my left on a tray with adjustable height. I can easily walk through menus with arrow keys and do other minor things by feel. A trackball mouse makes sense in VR because it doesn't physically move.
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It's the next step for my setup. I'm currently using a 42" TV set, so I guess the change will be awesome. Unfortunatelly, I'll have to update my PC first. I'm not sure whether to pick a used 1080Ti now and keep my CPU (an old i7 4790K), or maybe just do a whole update and buy a better CPU (which means a new motherboard, ram, etc), and wait for the 2080Ti to be at a better price. I want to play Assetto Corsa (just hotlapping Nords, so I don't need more cars on track), and above all, Dirt Rally. I don't want to have to lower many graphical settings, so I'm not sure if even a 1080Ti will be enough, especially when paired with my old CPU. Any advice?
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I'm using a 1080Ti and for a Rift it is plenty. Next month I'll find out how well it handles an Index.
I was running an i5-4690 and it was pretty well maxed out with 4 cores. Is the i7-4790 4 or 6 cores with hyperthreading?
It might work but you are probably running pretty close to the edge. I was definitely cpu bottlenecked with the i5 of that same generation.
I was running an i5-4690 and it was pretty well maxed out with 4 cores. Is the i7-4790 4 or 6 cores with hyperthreading?
It might work but you are probably running pretty close to the edge. I was definitely cpu bottlenecked with the i5 of that same generation.
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i love vr sim racing.
i9 with 2080ti combined with vive pro wireless and nlrv3 is wonderful.
Everytime i play it blows me away.
dirt rally is mental and assetto corsa brilliant.
my friends who have a go, cant get them off it.
would thoroughly recommend investing in vr.
gaming actually puts a huge smile on my face.
i enjoy gaming more now than when a teenager.
i9 with 2080ti combined with vive pro wireless and nlrv3 is wonderful.
Everytime i play it blows me away.
dirt rally is mental and assetto corsa brilliant.
my friends who have a go, cant get them off it.
would thoroughly recommend investing in vr.
gaming actually puts a huge smile on my face.
i enjoy gaming more now than when a teenager.
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Intrigued, are there any posts or topics on it? would you kindly share? Always looking to better the experience
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In racing sims, your cpu speed in one core seems to be important.
What kind of gpu do you have?
I would go for a 20 series card, because of raytracing and other clever stuff. If you only want to hotlap in AC, you dont need a beast of a computer. Also, Dirt Rally only support Oculus «out of the box». Maybe just buy a cheap Cv1 and try it out. If you have a 980 Ti or better, I think you would do OK.
If you want the best of the best 9900K 2080Ti and Pimax 5k.
If you want something that works good
9700 k 2080 and Oculus S. (I use this with Lenovo, Im happy with it, but the best of the best is better.)
I also have a laptop with a 1070 card and a older i7 cpu, it also can handle VR, the Lenovo. It is OK enough, but I have to turn the graphic down a bit. But still would use this over a flat screen.
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As I said, I have a i7 4790K 4ghz with 16 gb of ram. Now I own a Geforce 970. My idea is to either buy a used 1080Ti now + Oculus Rift S, or wait one year or two and change motherboard, CPU, GPU and ram.
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Hmm.. Thats a difficult one. I think I would buy a 2070 or 2080 (isnt it the same price as a 1080Ti).
And then buy a new cpu/motherboard/ram. The new Reyzen maybe? Time will show if its any good.
Thats what I would do. But it is your money, so do whats best for you.
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I've heard the 2080 has the same perfomance as a 1080Ti and I'm not interested in ray tracing. Also, I can get a used 1080Ti for 500 or 550€.
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Well, in the new sims, they use the "trickery" in the 2080 series. A 2080 series card does work much better with SPS in Iracing, its not only ray tracing, its also the "AI learning". a 20xx card will be more future proof. Also it preformec better with AAC. But hey! If you want the 1080Ti, just buy that one!
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