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Verstappen: Daring or Dangerous?
- Thread starter Paul Jeffrey
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DEFINETELY NOT (but that might just be because I really don't like him...)
Really don't see the parallel, sorry. Totally different situation. Damon's move at adeliade in '94 may have been a touch opportunistic, but Schumacher with a damaged car very clearly and deliberately closed the door just as Damon got alongside in order to stop him getting past. Vettel made no attempt to do anything like that yesterday - he even gave Max the space. Max just went in miles too deep and couldn't hold the inside line that vettel had given him.
I just wonder if we what we are seeing from max now is because of his lack of single seat experience before coming into f1 (apart from his karting of course). Most guys at this level have made and learned from these kind of mistakes well before getting into f1 during their time in f3, f2 etc. Brilliant as Max is, he doesn't have any of that kind of previous experience to draw from. Maybe that's part of the issue here, I don't know. He just needs to tone the aggression down a tiny bit without losing his edge (maybe look to the way his team mate goes about his racing).
Simply put, Max is a veteran that races like a rookie.....
Making rookie mistakes (that move on Hamilton, Vettel, the spin at Melbourne..), and consistently too. IMO, he was brought into F1 far too early and should have spent at LEAST two more years in F2. Right now, he's simply outclassed by his teammate just because, in general, Ricciardo is aggressive but not stupid. Verstappen seems to think that what worked for Senna will work for him. What he seems to forget, is that there were certain people that Senna knew wouldn't move out of the way(Prost, Schumacher, etc.) so he couldn't just dive up their inside. If he just learned the art of being aggressive without crashing from his teammate, he would be second only to Alonso on the grid; as he is right now, he's not even top five.
Making rookie mistakes (that move on Hamilton, Vettel, the spin at Melbourne..), and consistently too. IMO, he was brought into F1 far too early and should have spent at LEAST two more years in F2. Right now, he's simply outclassed by his teammate just because, in general, Ricciardo is aggressive but not stupid. Verstappen seems to think that what worked for Senna will work for him. What he seems to forget, is that there were certain people that Senna knew wouldn't move out of the way(Prost, Schumacher, etc.) so he couldn't just dive up their inside. If he just learned the art of being aggressive without crashing from his teammate, he would be second only to Alonso on the grid; as he is right now, he's not even top five.
@Appie Kuipers @muzikant honestly shut up, you're the clear examples of those people that put a name on the real dutch f1 fans
name on the real dutch f1 fans
Outclassed?? Strange why not in Q? Last year, the same! His team mate wins because he mestup! Jan Lammers: Vettel left the door open, thats why Max tried to overtake! Sure he had better take some other corner, from out our chair it's easy! Wrong move, THIS makes him not a bad driver, just to agressieve.
THE AMOUNT OF MISTAKES LATELY MAKE HIM A BAD DRIVER RIGHT NOW....
Isaac Chavira
Livery Designer
That pass was a dick move and I am positive he knows it. This isn't Raceroom or Assetto. It is a real professional sport. He needs to calm the 'F' down.
Kvyat?? I`m talking about Kvyat???
Reik Major
Premium
Well, I don't intend to compare the whole incidents but the parallel which quickly jumps into my mind is the misjudgement of the driver trying to make the pass. In both incidents it seems obvious, that there had been more promising occasions a short time later.
I agree that Schumi deliberately closed the door there and many, many people blamed him it was a dirty move but from his perspective it was the most (race) intelligent move he could make to eventually win it all. I always honestly felt sorry for Damon that he wasn't relaxed enough to wait for a better occasion to pass Schumi.
But hey, it's just some thoughts of a sim racer, who never has been in a real race situation.
So who am I? German sports program: es wird nur gesprochen uber Max/Vettel, wie war es dan mit Alonso/Vettel?
Why only talk about Max/Vettel and not about Alonso/Vettel. Alonso pust Vettel completely of track! Max is in the picture, Alonso not or less! Alonso has experiance enough. Rest my case.
Why only talk about Max/Vettel and not about Alonso/Vettel. Alonso pust Vettel completely of track! Max is in the picture, Alonso not or less! Alonso has experiance enough. Rest my case.
@Appie Kuipers @muzikant honestly shut up, you're the clear examples of those people that put a
And why? This is my opinion
Yess it was luck.. but you need luck my friend! But in your first race in a redbull and a faster ferrari behind you...and stay cool that is not all about luck.
@Appie Kuipers @muzikant honestly shut up, you're the clear examples of those people that put a
And what is a real dutch fan?
one who's able to look objectively at the sport we love, not praise our national homeboy like he's some kind of god. i like verstappen, but it's allowed to criticise him fairlyAnd what is a real dutch fan?
