RD BMW M235i Racing Cup

[Ricoow]

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[Si]

I have just received a PM from one of the racers! A pleasant friendly tone asking why and where did they receive there penaltys! I of course replied with the evidence.

Not airing his laundry in public and asking in a friendly professional and respectful manner. A lesson to be learned for us all!

 

[Bram Hengeveld]

but the issues to do with this league are actually 0% to do with the game itself.

They absolutely have to do with the game as well. With a golden oldies game like RACE 07 for example 3 cuts would mean a solid drive thru penalty ending your race immediately. AC doesn't offer that (yet) and therefor some people think they are entitled to blatantly violate the rules they have agreed on up front.

Who is going to want to enter a league where 21/22 racers are penalised for accidently going across white lines..

95% of these cuts would never end up on race director table as they are futile when they are under 5 cuts, which can happen. Its the abuse of 10 cuts or more that ruins the end result and the series if people don't file incident reports when they are disadvantaged. Nobody cuts unintentionally for 20 or 30 times in a sprint race.

If these draconian penalties result in less people signing up for leagues so be it, that's a decision everybody should take for themselves of course. There are obviously plenty of series out there where you can race within the rules that the game offers. So to all of the so called top drivers / aliens that signed out after one race because they were exposed as cutters have fun driving over curbs, grass, gravel-traps and such elsewhere, as it won't be happening here.

Don't want a penalty: stay within the lines, it's really not that hard as some people are convincing others to believe here. Plus every driver listed in this series agreed not to do it when they signed up. We explicitly asked for a confirmation that the rules were read and understood, so there can't be any discussion about that.

People always pride themselves being sim-racers and in public state that realism is the highest good, yet in the last two races we have seen a few drivers (not the majority) using total arcade driving lines only to be at the top of the field.

This league is called the BMW M235i Racing Cup and not the Lawn Mower Sprint Series, although we are very tempted to organize an one off event for it.

 

[Ze German]

I would love to see you piling over the sausage curbs with your real cars, rattling your teeths. Debalancing your tires, ruining your bushings, control arms, trailing links and the lot of it. And say how fun that was when the bill hits you.

If you had any clue about real racing you'd know that modern race cars can take that abuse for a whole 24h race without problems, take last week's 24h du Mans race for example. I've tracked road cars and raced race cars and done all of this and I've never bent a suspension or "debalanced" my tires doing this, and never had to pay any bills regarding that. I've destroyed the odd front wing or underbody plate, but never a tire or piece of the suspension by going over sausage kerbs.

 

[Niki Đaković]

If you had any clue about real racing you'd know that modern race cars can take that abuse for a whole 24h race without problems, take last week's 24h du Mans race for example. I've tracked road cars and raced race cars and done all of this and I've never bent a suspension or "debalanced" my tires doing this, and never had to pay any bills regarding that. I've destroyed the odd front wing or underbody plate, but never a tire or piece of the suspension by going over sausage kerbs.

I've seen a lot of guys piling speed over the local rail-way crossing and speedbumps spending vastly more amount of time at local mechanic shop then my-self. Pretty sure, we're not driving a full-blooded race car here.

 

[Ze German]

I've seen a lot of guys piling speed over the local rail-way crossing and speedbumps spending vastly more amount of time at local mechanic shop then my-self. Pretty sure, we're not driving a full-blooded race car here.

The suspension is one of the few parts on this car that is 100% race car and not taken over from the road car. I tested the car last year with a team in the VLN on the Nordschleife, took every kerb you could, and there were no issues. And considering this car has been driven during the 24h Nürburgring race and took way more kerbs than in a single 45min race without a suspension failure, we can surely conclude that hitting the sausage kerb a few times doesn't really hurt it that much.

 

[Bram Hengeveld]

I tested the car last year with a team in the VLN on the Nordschleife, took every kerb you could, and there were no issues. And considering this car has been driven during the 24h Nürburgring race and took way more kerbs than in a single 45min race without a suspension failure, we can surely conclude that hitting the sausage kerb a few times doesn't really hurt it that much.

Strangely the real VLN drivers don't hit any sausage curbs in real life as a matter of fact they don't violate our "ridiculous cutting rules" a single time during a 25 km lap over the full VLN layout. Makes you wonder how realistic some of us are driving their sims?

Here is a little challenge for you. From these on board videos taken at Donington Park name me the percentage of videos that show drivers consistently driving over the sausage curb lap after lap.

 

[Niki Đaković]

@Ze German pls went ur frustrations on someone else. Same goes for @Hany Alsabti and @Adrian Campfield genericly disagreeing all the posts. Or maybe do some yoga stress release things. Or NFS on keyboard.

Edit: Haters gonna hate. Great attitude.

 

[Geof]

On this very race, I don't get why people still complain. The only issue on the all series was not to precise before the first race what would the penality be. But from the prequalification, the rule was crystal clear, cutting will be penalized.

After the fuzz of the stewards's decisions about the first race, the staff decided to be fair and reviewed each single laps off all the drivers, so more than 600 laps. I don't know how it could be more fair. Honestly, doesn't it show how much involvment a few peoples put into it to assure the same level of fairness for everybody? And we all know that it was needed because AC lacks a lot of features for multiplayer.

From what I've seen in the previous race, we all have the abilities to respect the rules. And, in someway, if we raise the respect the rules in our priority list, it would be for a better and we would have achieve an even higher level of simracing.

Let's try to keep all together, there's still 2 races to go. The grid is full of awesome drivers, cars are shining, the broadcast are wonderfully commented...

I hope this is the first of a long serie of leagues here in RD, with high standard racing, (who might be even easier to organize in a month or two ),... maybe not with this car anymore .

So thx all drivers and staff crew.

An happy league member.

 

[TobiasR]

Maybe next season, Monaco, Long Beach, Lucca Ring, and Adelaide.

Monaco is heaven for cutting though Swimming pool, Nouvelle, Saint Devote can all be cut like crazy.

 

[Stelios]

On this very race, I don't get why people still complain. The only issue on the all series was not to precise before the first race what would the penality be. But from the prequalification, the rule was crystal clear, cutting will be penalized.

After the fuzz of the stewards's decisions about the first race, the staff decided to be fair and reviewed each single laps off all the drivers, so more than 600 laps. I don't know how it could be more fair. Honestly, doesn't it show how much involvment a few peoples put into it to assure the same level of fairness for everybody? And we all know that it was needed because AC lacks a lot of features for multiplayer.

From what I've seen in the previous race, we all have the abilities to respect the rules. And, in someway, if we raise the respect the rules in our priority list, it would be for a better and we would have achieve an even higher level of simracing.

Let's try to keep all together, there's still 2 races to go. The grid is full of awesome drivers, cars are shining, the broadcast are wonderfully commented...

I hope this is the first of a long serie of leagues here in RD, with high standard racing, (who might be even easier to organize in a month or two ),... maybe not with this car anymore .

So thx all drivers and staff crew.

An happy league member.

Good post, tomorrow's race will not be the same for me that's for sure, before it was all about trying to compete with the best while trying to respect the track's white lines, from now on my first priority will be not to cut which isn't as fun.
Maybe club races will be better for fun door to door racing.

I am not saying that nobody should respect the white lines but priority #1 should be good competitive racing.

and yes, 35 cuts in 28 lap race are a lot, i wish AC could detect that and issue drive through penalties...

 

[Geof]

@Stelios, well after all of this, I think you won't be the only one to be cautious, that's all the point!
If we are all cautious about this rule, we all will be in the same race.

 

[Stelios]

@Stelios, well after all of this, I think you won't be the only one to be cautious, that's all the point!
If we are all cautious about this rule, we all will be in the same race.

But...but... i cant win without cutting!

 

[Ze German]

Strangely the real VLN drivers don't hit any sausage curbs in real life as a matter of fact they don't violate our "ridiculous cutting rules" a single time during a 25 km lap over the full VLN layout. Makes you wonder how realistic some of us are driving their sims?

Again you lack reading comprehension. I said kerbs, and not specifically "sausage kerbs". And in the video you posted they take a damn lot of kerb

Here is a little challenge for you. From these on board videos taken at Donington Park name me the percentage of videos that show drivers consistently driving over the sausage curb lap after lap.

I never argued it shouldn't be counted as cutting, I simply said that it doesn't break your car by going over the kerbs a few times. Again, lack of reading comprehension.

 

[Andy_J]

If these draconian penalties result in less people signing up for leagues so be it, that's a decision everybody should take for themselves of course.
Don't want a penalty: stay within the lines, it's really not that hard as some people are convincing others to believe here.

This^^^ for club racing too.

 

[Niki Đaković]

Again you lack reading comprehension. I said kerbs, and not specifically "sausage kerbs". And in the video you posted they take a damn lot of kerb

I never argued it shouldn't be counted as cutting, I simply said that it doesn't break your car by going over the kerbs a few times. Again, lack of reading comprehension.

few is regarded as less then half a dozen. A dozen is regarded as 12. Few can't be 20 instances.

 

[Gijs van Elderen]

I simply said that it doesn't break your car by going over the kerbs a few times

 

[Andy_J]

Again you lack reading comprehension.
I simply said that it doesn't break your car by going over the kerbs a few times. Again, lack of reading comprehension.

You must have raced real arcade race cars?

 

[Franklin Stegink]

Is there place for me in server 2?

 

[Marco Waechter]

Except you drive a Renault Twingo or s.th. or an old 80s VW Polo or an 80s/90s Fiat, those normal race cars should be able to handle some bumps or sausages, they will not brake - unless there is a previous 'factory' material-failure. Well ok, maybe not 10 of them without some minor misalignment, but they will not brake.
Those sometimes fragile and stiff F1 cars with 100% carbon stuff (either it is unbroken or broken, nothing inbetween..) are not a good comparison.

 

[Gijs van Elderen]

not a good comparison.

I can't disagree with that: The car is definitely not build by "ze Germans".

But: RD rules are the same since 2006.