Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti leak reveals a very powerful graphics card

[Durge Driven]

But I am upgrading from GTX 1070
Like I said, if I had a GTX 1080Ti I wouldn't be either

GTX1070 cost me $5 a week ( already have buyer waiting $400)
GTX2080 I run for 2 years will cost $6-7 a week after re-sale

So for extra $2 a week I will get 60-80% more performance @1440

 

[Durge Driven]

Actually it's cheaper then that, I never factored 1 year vs 2 years properly

GTX1070 - $649 less $400 resale = $249
50 weeks @ $5.00 = $250

GTX2080 - $1,199 less $600 resale = $559
100 weeks @ $5.60 = $560

So 60 cents a week more that is all

 

[Durge Driven]

...................at 4:40, pretty much my impressions as well from the livestream.

Lot of people eating humble pie this week

lol

 

[Bob Gnarley]

Not at all. The reviews are in, the benches are here, it's much as expected. The worst generational price/performance leap in Ngreedia's history. Ray tracing at reasonable fps is still a thing of the future. RTX off, the 2080Ti is beast but no way at that price. Kind of explains the subversive marketing campaign.

That said, with the new dedicated HDR pipeline, that 2080 should suit your needs well and make it a better purchase than the 1080Ti Durge.

Also, will be interesting to see if NV offers the NVLink on the 2060's. That would be fairly mighty, without having to spend on RTX.

Thanks to Freesync monitors i'll be waiting (loooong) for Navi. It'll probably be hot and disappointing, but hopefully reasonably priced!

 

[DucFreak]

Lot of people eating humble pie this week

lol

Ah yes, yes.... so many reviews saying these RTXs are the greatest investment, such nice prices and leaps in performance to justify it over the previous generation....

.....OH WAIT.......

Not at all. The reviews are in, the benches are here, it's much as expected. The worst generational price/performance leap in Ngreedia's history. Ray tracing at reasonable fps is still a thing of the future. RTX off, the 2080Ti is beast but no way at that price. Kind of explains the subversive marketing campaign.

Also, will be interesting to see if NV offers the NVLink on the 2060's. That would be fairly mighty, without having to spend on RTX.

Thanks to Freesync monitors i'll be waiting (loooong) for Navi. It'll probably be hot and disappointing, but hopefully reasonably priced!

The problem with the yet to be announced 2060 (rumours are it will still be GTX) is that it will probably be, again, overpriced (to be released at GTX1070 prices?).
But, who knows, maybe they'll keep prices for the 2060 similar to the GTX1060, and release a 2060Ti to bridge the huge gap to the RTX2070?

Now, at RTXs post-release moments, the bit that (I think) surprised anyone following the GPU market is how badly planed this release was (and is).
The new presented tech unlikely to be trully usefull by this gen (stop-gap until 3000 series?).
When compared to previous generations, these (much higher) prices in relation to the performance gains. It's all so strange.
Especially in an age where Freesync monitors are selling in much, much higher numbers (than GSync ones), as if underestimating competition.

Speaking of which... I think AMD are being very smart. Keep calm and quiet, hide your hand.
Let the controversy work, GTX1000 vs RTX2000 nulling each other, eating Nvidia from inside.
Whereas before AMD overhyped Vega (which underdelivered), they're keeping things in the dark for Navi. ....the silence is deafening.

I still say, all that AMD needs is to release GPUs that can compete with RTX2070-GTX1080 and RTX2080-GTX1080Ti performance, at much lower prices (which I strongly suspect they'll do), and we'll see a dramatic shift in the GPU market lead.
And, if so, it'll certainly force Nvidia's hand regarding prices (remember the GTX 770 and 780 huge price drops when AMD R9 290 and 290x were launched? ...it must have sucked to be an early-adopter of those GTXs!).

I doubt Navi will be as cool and energy efficient but, add the Freesync monitors popularity factor, as well as the fact that AMD drivers mature so well (in ways that Nvidia's haven't been able to), and it could bring back the ultra competitive market we had well over three years ago.
2019 may turn out to be quite a nice year for PC gaming hardware.

 

[Mr Latte]

Not at all. The reviews are in, the benches are here, it's much as expected. The worst generational price/performance leap in Ngreedia's history. Ray tracing at reasonable fps is still a thing of the future. RTX off, the 2080Ti is beast but no way at that price. Kind of explains the subversive marketing campaign.

That said, with the new dedicated HDR pipeline, that 2080 should suit your needs well and make it a better purchase than the 1080Ti Durge.

Also, will be interesting to see if NV offers the NVLink on the 2060's. That would be fairly mighty, without having to spend on RTX.

Thanks to Freesync monitors i'll be waiting (loooong) for Navi. It'll probably be hot and disappointing, but hopefully reasonably priced!

I think it all depends what a user currently has been using the last 2 years to how they will look at these cards for a potential upgrade. The prices are too high, no question and that will affect sales. Probably more than the wait for RTX features and RT to be available in the first titles.

Yet we see Samsung/ Apple bringing top-end phones to the market well beyond the previous price-points their flagships once cost and as recently with fairly minor benefits. Just look into reports for sales of the Galaxy S9. Yet is Nvidia just getting greedy following this trend?

Some titles show the 2080 having an advantage over the 1080Ti while many have them very close. What has not yet really been shown, or from what I have seen is how these cards benefit VR but also just how good can a 2080 present RT compared to the 2080ti in forthcoming titles.

2080 seems a good card for 1440p
2080ti seems the card to want if gaming in 4K or just seeking max performance.

The question is what price drops will we see for Black Friday or will Nvidia decide to lower the prices, if not then how likely is it that another range of cards will be released Q1/Q2 2019?

 

[Durge Driven]

Touchy lot lol

I was not talking about anyone in particular more about site reviews pre-release
That's the way it's trending now ie: more positive then negative

In Australia a good 1080Ti and RTX2080 Founders are the same price ($1,199) so defies any logic not to recommend the RTX

 

[Deleted member 197115]

Touchy lot lol

I was not talking about anyone in particular more about site reviews pre-release
That's the way it's trending now ie: more positive then negative

In Australia a good 1080Ti and RTX2080 Founders are the same price ($1,199) so defies any logic not to recommend the RTX

1080Ti vs 2080 (non TI) AC benchmark results.
https://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/...ts-food-for-thought.28103/page-25#post-995152

From 145fps down to 127.

 

[Nick Gregory]

If anything, the 20 series makes it look like a 1080Ti is the best value card money can buy.

 

[Bob Gnarley]

I'm not knocking anybody's decisions. We are big people with our own money, we do what we like.

While these RTX technologies may have great potential, the implementation has been odd to say the least. It seems like tech that isn't quite ready yet has been delivered to a market that isn't even slightly ready for it.

We have seen Tensor cores with gpu's before but as far as I know were for work based scenarios and brought little, if anything to the gaming arena. They may enable developers to bring real time ray tracing to gamers but, if you take consoles into account as well, this gen of RTX will only ever be a very niche Market. How many studios will go to the expense?

This and a bunch of other stuff made me question NV's motives. I asked this question in an earlier thread -

Just a thought. Aren't these the same Tensor cores that Nvidia was hoping to be fitting to autonomous vehicles sometime soon except won't be as said vehicles keep having accidents?

Well, it turns out that they may be the same Tensor cores that Tesla have stopped purchasing.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/274795-tesla-dumps-nvidia-goes-it-alone-on-ai-hardware

It could simply be that Nv are dumping inventory on the gaming market and selling it as the next big thing. Gotta keep the shareholders happy...

But surely Nv wouldn't do this to it's beloved gaming market? Absolutely yes. Take a look at Nv's "Brandvoice" page at Forbes magazine...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nvidia/#1bdc9ce1188f

See any mention of games, gamers or gaming? Lets face it, this sector is relatively small with meagre growth prospects compared to the areas that Nv are moving into. AI for business has almost limitless potential and Nv is the market leader. Gamers don't stand a chance! It may not be long before they lose interest in making silly gaming hardware...

So no, not questioning anybody's purchase. Am questioning Nv though.

 

[Metla]

I haven't seen them priced in Aussie as above, Staticice gives the following

Asus Turbo nVidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti $1088

Galax GeForce RTX2080 $1349

 

[DucFreak]

I haven't seen them priced in Aussie as above, Staticice gives the following

Asus Turbo nVidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti $1088

Galax GeForce RTX2080 $1349

Yes, and the price gap between them will only increase. It's already happening.
Same will also happen between the RTX2070 and the GTX1080.
And, with them, by reflex, AMD will drop prices on Vega 54 and Vega 64 as well.

This is what so many have been saying, for weeks now, but I guess those who want to be early-adopters will always ignore it (and pay upfront, no matter what).
Wait, be patient, get the previous gen model at much lower prices sometime very soon, you'll get the better deal. End of story.

I'm not knocking anybody's decisions. We are big people with our own money, we do what we like.

While these RTX technologies may have great potential, the implementation has been odd to say the least. It seems like tech that isn't quite ready yet has been delivered to a market that isn't even slightly ready for it.

We have seen Tensor cores with gpu's before but as far as I know were for work based scenarios and brought little, if anything to the gaming arena. They may enable developers to bring real time ray tracing to gamers but, if you take consoles into account as well, this gen of RTX will only ever be a very niche Market. How many studios will go to the expense?

This and a bunch of other stuff made me question NV's motives. I asked this question in an earlier thread -

Just a thought. Aren't these the same Tensor cores that Nvidia was hoping to be fitting to autonomous vehicles sometime soon except won't be as said vehicles keep having accidents?

Well, it turns out that they may be the same Tensor cores that Tesla have stopped purchasing.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/274795-tesla-dumps-nvidia-goes-it-alone-on-ai-hardware

It could simply be that Nv are dumping inventory on the gaming market and selling it as the next big thing. Gotta keep the shareholders happy...

But surely Nv wouldn't do this to it's beloved gaming market? Absolutely yes. Take a look at Nv's "Brandvoice" page at Forbes magazine...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nvidia/#1bdc9ce1188f

See any mention of games, gamers or gaming? Lets face it, this sector is relatively small with meagre growth prospects compared to the areas that Nv are moving into. AI for business has almost limitless potential and Nv is the market leader. Gamers don't stand a chance! It may not be long before they lose interest in making silly gaming hardware...

So no, not questioning anybody's purchase. Am questioning Nv though.

That must be one of the better posts I've seen in dozens of threads and forums discussing RTX launch.

Actually, that makes a lot of sense, scaringly so!
I mean, if true (we'll never really know, I guess), it may the biggest business/market manipulation trick atempted (so far) by a Hardware/Software company in the new millenium.
If so, very nasty act towards PC enthusiasts, but a really clever way to save business and profit on something that was a fiasco elsewhere!
Heck, it'd make M$ with the Win10 keystrokes (and mouse-clicks) telemetry spying crap look almost inocent in comparison!

 

[Bjarne Hansen]

What ever it is old unused Ai hardware or not. Nvidia got every right to sell us what ever they want.
Just like we have the right not to buy it!
Without new techs like RT we are hitting a ceiling for upgrading Gpu's
On my monitor 2560 x 1080 I have no reasons to upgrade my old GTX 970 for running Rf2. Getting +100 fps in any weather on any track. The limitation comes with number of Ai and that is the Cpu.
4K HDR might be another story and I can't believe the focus isn't on that from Nvidia.

The door is now fully open for AMD to come in with affordable mid-high range Gpu's to take advantage of the huge number of Freesync monitors that are sold over the last few years.

 

[Mr Latte]

What ever it is old unused Ai hardware or not. Nvidia got every right to sell us what ever they want.
Just like we have the right not to buy it!
Without new techs like RT we are hitting a ceiling for upgrading Gpu's
On my monitor 2560 x 1080 I have no reasons to upgrade my old GTX 970 for running Rf2. Getting +100 fps in any weather on any track. The limitation comes with number of Ai and that is the Cpu.
4K HDR might be another story and I can't believe the focus isn't on that from Nvidia.

The door is now fully open for AMD to come in with affordable mid-high range Gpu's to take advantage of the huge number of Freesync monitors that are sold over the last few years.

Nvidia's own early slides showed examples of performance at 4K and with HDR.

We now know why as clearly, the 2080ti is at its best compared to other cards when the most demanding resolutions/settings are applied. You raise a point however that is true, forgetting VR for a moment, if I stick with 1080p 60Hz based display then why do I need to upgrade beyond a 1070?

However, I do like the prospect of buying the upcoming, improved 1440p based Samsung 49" 32:9 display. At 5120×1440 (7,372,800 pixels) and its support for 100Hz and with HDR implementation enabled. Thats quite an upgrade from a 60hz TV. This monitors resolution is coming in approx 1 million below 4K (8,294,400 pixels) that may help with some titles to maintain highest graphical options but with improved framerates.

So for this monitor I would assume a 2080 will indeed be required.

The question is, if I want the very best potential visuals from the new RTX features and in particular for Assetto Corsa Competizioni will the 2080 be good enough as we see its RT performance is quite a bit lower than the 2080ti. This is the annoying aspect at the moment.

Really its too early to understand as no titles can yet highlight the true details till the fall update and the games in question are ready. So I certainly cannot make a clear informative choice unless I just decide to throw the money at a 2080ti and then possibly find ACC is released with RT functional at launch ( or perhaps later/not confirmed?) but by then an even better Nvidia card is then looming. SMACK!!!

Its these uncertainties that would hold me back from buying more than the actual prices.

As for AMD, they appear to be nowhere close, often implementing great tech that the developers do not utilise. Also we see several major gaming franchises that once were AMD focused now working with Nvidia. I assume Nvidia will be VERY keen to help/entice developers to start placing development on the new RTX features as clearly they have invested highly in such new technologies.

Small developers like Kunos, it may take them longer to have the RT enabled, but is this going to be over a month or 2 even after the titles full release, when? People on these forums could be excited to buy a RTX card for ACCs RT features only to find it could be early summer next year before its properly implemented and working.

I do not see AMD being able to compete at the top performance level, maybe for them now the focus is on mainstream sales and better value products.

 

[Jeremy Ford]

It doesn't seem AMD is bothered about under cutting Nvidia cards and are keeping their prices relative to similar performing Nvidia cards.

For example the AMD 580 is a tiny bit better than the 1060. The Vega64 swaps blows with the 1080. Both sets of cards are priced in overlapping price margins. The AMD cards use more power and run hotter making even less attractive.

 

[GTR233]

Do not forget that intel is working on dedicated gpu now, so if I were AMD CEO i would be worried...

 

[Jeremy Ford]

If anything Nvidia should be more concerned about Intel. AMD have sown up the console market and more focused on the CPU-side of things where they're doing very well again. More graphics cards are sold in the mid-range price so technically AMD are in the sweet spot for sales. But pricing vs. Nvidia cards makes AMD unattractive.

 

[Bob Gnarley]

Amd are kind of dead in the water at the moment. Amd Gpu's are currently supplied by contract from Global foundries (AMD was the parent company of Global foundries but sold out to an Arabian financial concern in July). That contract states that if Amd use silicon from another supplier such as TSMC, Amd must pay a penalty fee to Glo Fo for every part sold.

And as Glo Fo recently dropped plans to move to 7nm, understandably there will be no new mass market 7nm part until that contract expires next year some time. There is a Polaris refresh coming but...meh.

The jury is still out on what Intel has in the pipeline. It could be a range of dedicated graphics cards or it could be some kind of apu style device to challenge Amd in the console market, just have to watch that space...

 

[DucFreak]

Amd are kind of dead in the water at the moment. Amd Gpu's are currently supplied by contract from Global foundries (AMD was the parent company of Global foundries but sold out to an Arabian financial concern in July). That contract states that if Amd use silicon from another supplier such as TSMC, Amd must pay a penalty fee to Glo Fo for every part sold.

And as Glo Fo recently dropped plans to move to 7nm, understandably there will be no new mass market 7nm part until that contract expires next year some time. There is a Polaris refresh coming but...meh.

The jury is still out on what Intel has in the pipeline. It could be a range of dedicated graphics cards or it could be some kind of apu style device to challenge Amd in the console market, just have to watch that space...

Are you sure that's the correct info?

I thought AMD's deal with Globalfoundries was for them to keep work with 14nm and 12nm processes, and TSMC moving in the direction of 7nm.
I'm pretty sure I've read AMD executives saying their next-generation chips will be built by TSMC, starting with "Navi" to be launched sometime in 2019, as well as the "Zen 2" CPUs, also planned for sometime in 2019.
TSMC has been used already by AMD for its manufacturing needs, for quite a long time now.
(for example, the custom chips AMD developed for all the Microsoft XboxOne and Sony PS4 gaming console models)
Especially at this time when AMD is gaining a lot of momentum with Ryzen CPUs, and with Nvidia's sort of "semi-fiasco" with RTX, I don't think Navi GPUs and Zen2 CPUs will be delayed.

 

[Bob Gnarley]

Jim at Adored TV recently did a vid "The GlobalFoundries and AMD Story".

You are better off getting the facts from there, I forget more than I remember! But yes, next up is a polaris refresh on 12nm which will undoubtedly be from Glo Fo.

The only 7nm gpu scheduled before that date is Vega20 which is rumoured to be a professional card and therefore low volume. I guess that is Amd just paying the penalty fee in order to get some 7nm product to market to test the waters.