Sorry all, got things a bit twisted, but it's that wafer supply agreement that is holding back 7nm until next year. I'm pretty sure that I read that it's coming to an end as GloFo are not capable of supplying a 7nm product. Anyways, must sleep.
Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti leak reveals a very powerful graphics card
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Yes, as much as the 2000 launch has been a hotly debated topic, AMD is very far being the "people's champ" like some claim.
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founders is $1,199 .......best Ti are $50+/-
Still all the dearer Ti are sold out like I said before price drop happens here
Why would I buy a Ti Gaming over a Founders for $30 less even $100 less I got no clue
This is why I want sims to take up DLSS.....not for pretty reflections
Look from 14:35 @RTX2080 TAA vs DLSS
extra 20-30fps same quality
Like I say what simmer in his right mind would not want that
Here is Aussie prices
Thing is after market cards are usually a good 10% + faster then founders
With RTX 2080 founders this is not so they are clocked at 1800MHz
So why would you pay a extra $200 for cards are only clocked 60MHz
higher and others are clocked lower then founders and cost more
So on founders 1,199 and decent Ti ( 1,129) the founders makes up $70
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_rtx_2080_gaming_oc_8g_review,20.html
Look at BF1 30fps faster etc
( RTX 2080 in list is the founders edition )
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RTX 2080ti prices in Aussie are between $1,999 & $2,250 at this point, I guess some of the manufacturers will produce their mega OC'ed versions for a few hundred more, potentially raising the price here in OZ to $2.5k for a GPU, I can build a middle of the road PC for that. It's literally a jump of $1,000 from 1080ti to 2080ti and all we're gaining is live ray tracing and DDR6 Vram, not like they've reinvented graphics in anyway, I just feel there's a little price gouging going on these days when new products or hardware is released in the world of gaming.
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The RTX 2080 is better value @$700 less
Aussie Founders 2080Ti $1,899 / Founders 2080 $1,199
Scroll down
https://www.nvidia.com/en-au/geforce/20-series/
So 2080Ti is 55% dearer but no where near 55% faster
Also Founders is free priority delivery and saves another $20-30AU from my stores
Aussie Founders 2080Ti $1,899 / Founders 2080 $1,199
Scroll down
https://www.nvidia.com/en-au/geforce/20-series/
So 2080Ti is 55% dearer but no where near 55% faster
Also Founders is free priority delivery and saves another $20-30AU from my stores
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founders is $1,199 .......best Ti are $50+/-
Still all the dearer Ti are sold out like I said before price drop happens here
Why would I buy a Ti Gaming over a Founders for $30 less even $100 less I got no clue
This is why I want sims to take up DLSS.....not for pretty reflections
Look from 14:35 @RTX2080 TAA vs DLSS
extra 20-30fps same quality
Like I say what simmer in his right mind would not want that
Here is Aussie prices
Thing is after market cards are usually a good 10% + faster then founders
With RTX 2080 founders this is not so they are clocked at 1800MHz
So why would you pay a extra $200 for cards are only clocked 60MHz
higher and others are clocked lower then founders and cost more
So on founders 1,199 and decent Ti ( 1,129) the founders makes up $70
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_rtx_2080_gaming_oc_8g_review,20.html
Look at BF1 30fps faster etc
( RTX 2080 in list is the founders edition )
uh, Your screenshots don't align with the prices you are quoting, Just drop a link to a 2080 for $1200au.
And, The real world prices also refute your claim that a 1080Ti is $50 more expensive then this mysterious phantom card you claim is out there.
So, Please, try again, Perhaps with slightly less waffle and hyperbole.
So I put my 2080ti in today that I received thursday from overclockers. It's a gigabyte windforce.
Current rig:
- 2600k @ 4.6ghz
- 16GB 1600mhz RAM
- 980ti oc'd to 1500mhz core and +200 mem
- Screen res: 2560x1600@60hz
- Rift for VR
Observations:
2D gaming: The card is being held back by my CPU and screen resolution. I can turn up anything and everything and I can't get it to be the bottleneck. The next step has to be a 9900k or I might as well send this back.
VR: I only used Assetto Corsa for testing as that's what I'm most familiar with. I used Oculus Tray Tools to force ASW off so I can monitor framerate. In game, I used the FPS counters that's built in. MSI afterburner gave me more details on what's happening GPU wise. In any CPU bound situation such as a ton of AI in game, the CPU spikes and the GPU barely does any work. The settings I was using with 980ti to run at 45fps are bottlenecking the card so hard that I had to crank up the in-game settings to move some of the bottleneck off the CPU. At this point, maxing everything out in AC has no impact on framerate until I get a better CPU to share the load.
Benchmarks:
Uniengine heaven 4.0. Settings: everything maxed with 8xAA and 2560x1600p resolution.
980ti: 55fps. 2080ti: 98fps
3D Mark Timespy: Standard benchmark
980ti GPU score: 6243 2080ti GPU score: 13,356
CPU Score 2600k @ 4.6ghz: ~4,000 < that is very low. A STOCK 8700k get 8k for comparison!
Witcher 3: In combat spamming spells in an open area. Settings: everything maxed with hairworks on and 4xAA on hairworks
980ti: sub 50fps with dips into 30's
1080ti: Close to 100fps with dips into the 60's
Assetto Corsa 2D benchmark:
POINTS: 13552
FPS: AVG=92 MIN=42 MAX=193 VARIANCE=2 CPU=46%
LOADING TIME: 15s
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti (2560x1600)
OS-Version: 6.2.9200 () 0x100-0x1
CPU CORES: 8
FULLSCREEN: ON
AA:4X AF:16X SHDW:4096 BLUR:0
WORLD DETAIL: 5 SMOKE:5
PP: QLT:5 HDR:1 FXAA:0 GLR:5 DOF:5 RAYS:1 HEAT:1
2080ti benchmark:
POINTS: 26718
FPS: AVG=182 MIN=55 MAX=254 VARIANCE=27 CPU=80%
LOADING TIME: 18s
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (2560x1600)
OS-Version: 6.2.9200 () 0x100-0x1
CPU CORES: 8
FULLSCREEN: ON
AA:4X AF:16X SHDW:4096 BLUR:0
WORLD DETAIL: 3 SMOKE:5
PP: QLT:5 HDR:1 FXAA:0 GLR:5 DOF:5 RAYS:1 HEAT:1
Summary so far:
2D gaming: Buy this card if you have a top of the line setup and want to max out games at a high resolution and highframe rate. That's it's only use case. If you don't meet those requisites and requirements, it's just money burned.
VR simracing: Too early to tell until the CPU and RAM are not holding back the GPU
Current rig:
- 2600k @ 4.6ghz
- 16GB 1600mhz RAM
- 980ti oc'd to 1500mhz core and +200 mem
- Screen res: 2560x1600@60hz
- Rift for VR
Observations:
2D gaming: The card is being held back by my CPU and screen resolution. I can turn up anything and everything and I can't get it to be the bottleneck. The next step has to be a 9900k or I might as well send this back.
VR: I only used Assetto Corsa for testing as that's what I'm most familiar with. I used Oculus Tray Tools to force ASW off so I can monitor framerate. In game, I used the FPS counters that's built in. MSI afterburner gave me more details on what's happening GPU wise. In any CPU bound situation such as a ton of AI in game, the CPU spikes and the GPU barely does any work. The settings I was using with 980ti to run at 45fps are bottlenecking the card so hard that I had to crank up the in-game settings to move some of the bottleneck off the CPU. At this point, maxing everything out in AC has no impact on framerate until I get a better CPU to share the load.
Benchmarks:
Uniengine heaven 4.0. Settings: everything maxed with 8xAA and 2560x1600p resolution.
980ti: 55fps. 2080ti: 98fps
3D Mark Timespy: Standard benchmark
980ti GPU score: 6243 2080ti GPU score: 13,356
CPU Score 2600k @ 4.6ghz: ~4,000 < that is very low. A STOCK 8700k get 8k for comparison!
Witcher 3: In combat spamming spells in an open area. Settings: everything maxed with hairworks on and 4xAA on hairworks
980ti: sub 50fps with dips into 30's
1080ti: Close to 100fps with dips into the 60's
Assetto Corsa 2D benchmark:
POINTS: 13552
FPS: AVG=92 MIN=42 MAX=193 VARIANCE=2 CPU=46%
LOADING TIME: 15s
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti (2560x1600)
OS-Version: 6.2.9200 () 0x100-0x1
CPU CORES: 8
FULLSCREEN: ON
AA:4X AF:16X SHDW:4096 BLUR:0
WORLD DETAIL: 5 SMOKE:5
PP: QLT:5 HDR:1 FXAA:0 GLR:5 DOF:5 RAYS:1 HEAT:1
2080ti benchmark:
POINTS: 26718
FPS: AVG=182 MIN=55 MAX=254 VARIANCE=27 CPU=80%
LOADING TIME: 18s
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (2560x1600)
OS-Version: 6.2.9200 () 0x100-0x1
CPU CORES: 8
FULLSCREEN: ON
AA:4X AF:16X SHDW:4096 BLUR:0
WORLD DETAIL: 3 SMOKE:5
PP: QLT:5 HDR:1 FXAA:0 GLR:5 DOF:5 RAYS:1 HEAT:1
Summary so far:
2D gaming: Buy this card if you have a top of the line setup and want to max out games at a high resolution and highframe rate. That's it's only use case. If you don't meet those requisites and requirements, it's just money burned.
VR simracing: Too early to tell until the CPU and RAM are not holding back the GPU
Durge Driven
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Mystery waffle hyperbole
I did link it already but Nvidia site probably resets to default
Go to nvidia pick AUSTRALIA go to RTX shop
NOW !
The FOUNDERS RTX 2080 for the 10th time is CLOCKED AT 1800MHz
THE GIGABYTE RTX 2080 "WINDFORCE" OC @ $1,349 is also clocked to 1800MHz huh ?
So $150 dearer for identical clock speeds
As for 1080Ti the best cheapest one there is $1,129 + $30 shipping = $1,159
So the RTX 2080- Founders with free delivery is just $40 more + faster + RTX
Why would I buy a GTX1080Ti ? makes absolutely no sense
Here is link to shop you will see cards just don't drop here like other countries
I will bet anyone that the Ti stay at that price till they sell out
https://www.pccasegear.com/category/193_1875/graphics-cards/geforce-gtx-1080-ti
https://www.pccasegear.com/category/193_1965/graphics-cards/geforce-rtx-2080
https://www.pccasegear.com/category/193_1966/graphics-cards/geforce-rtx-2080-ti
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Thanks for the benchmark results, below 1080Ti for a reference, just ran it out of curiosity.
1080Ti with i7-5930k @4.3GHz
2560x1600
Code:
AC VERSION: 1.16.3 (x64)
POINTS: 32986
FPS: AVG=225 MIN=93 MAX=294 VARIANCE=8 CPU=80%
LOADING TIME: 15s
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (2560x1600)
OS-Version: 6.2.9200 () 0x300-0x1
CPU CORES: 6
FULLSCREEN: ON
AA:4X AF:16X SHDW:4096 BLUR:0
WORLD DETAIL: 5 SMOKE:1
PP: QLT:5 HDR:1 FXAA:0 GLR:5 DOF:5 RAYS:1 HEAT:1
Code:
AC VERSION: 1.16.3 (x64)
POINTS: 22701
FPS: AVG=154 MIN=85 MAX=176 VARIANCE=1 CPU=57%
LOADING TIME: 16s
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (3840x2160)
OS-Version: 6.2.9200 () 0x300-0x1
CPU CORES: 6
FULLSCREEN: ON
AA:4X AF:16X SHDW:4096 BLUR:0
WORLD DETAIL: 5 SMOKE:1
PP: QLT:5 HDR:1 FXAA:0 GLR:5 DOF:5 RAYS:1 HEAT:1Durge Driven
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How about this great value
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/44036/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-gaming-x-trio-8gb
Clocked 60MHz higher then the Founders and $300 dearer
lmao
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/44036/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-gaming-x-trio-8gb
Clocked 60MHz higher then the Founders and $300 dearer
lmao
So I just re-ran the benchmark and watched task manager. With 8 logical cores "CPU 6" was pretty much maxed out the whole time. "CPU 1/2/4" were often pegged. Didn't think AC was that much of a CPU hog but wow.
Can you run 3Dmark if you have a chance? stock setup. Would like to compare the GPU score to see if it's impacted in that benchmark by the weak CPU at all?
edit: used DSR to get close to 4k. I'll post screenshots per settings screen tomorrow and see if I push it upto 5k. Getting better but still a lot of 100% cpu utilization during the benchmark:
AC VERSION: 1.16.3 (x64)
POINTS: 18620
FPS: AVG=127 MIN=53 MAX=188 VARIANCE=11 CPU=61%
LOADING TIME: 15s
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (3413x2133)
OS-Version: 6.2.9200 () 0x100-0x1
CPU CORES: 8
FULLSCREEN: ON
AA:4X AF:16X SHDW:4096 BLUR:0
WORLD DETAIL: 5 SMOKE:5
PP: QLT:5 HDR:1 FXAA:0 GLR:5 DOF:5 RAYS:1 HEAT:1
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The past, the current and the future of computer graphics.
Thanks for pointing to that video, Bob, very well structured and trully fascinating.
I absolutely agree that the original Crysis was the last "WOW" factor game in terms of leap in graphics. Things surelly have stalled from there on (really small progress in the last decade), Rasterization-based rendering has (kind of) hit a wall, it seems.
So, yes, maybe this is the time to think in other ways of achieving better realistic visuals with games.
I think the efforts of both Nvidia and AMD in pushing the technology to a different path (with Ray-Tracing) are absolutely worthy of applause. (the prices so far aren't though )
Nvidia with RTX series are pushing Ray-Tracing in games (despite currently limited support, as only three GPUs will have it) and, depending on the general adoption, could be the start of something great.
AMD too has been on it for sometime now with Radeon Rays which, while still very much a developer tool, are on the same path with its new ProRender release (Ray-Tracing techniques mixed with traditional Rasterization-based rendering). Plus, their FireRays2.0 is open source (easier access and possible faster progression).
It's still a very long way (IMO) but the changes, in the longer term, look promising.
The next decade will be interesting for this, in that old methods and habits may have to be dropped in favor of other ones. The balance of production costs for the software, hardware, and investment in games creation around new technologies, it's all going to be crucial.
Initially, it may be very slow but, as the video shows, there's always leaps and discoveries at some point.
I absolutely agree that the original Crysis was the last "WOW" factor game in terms of leap in graphics. Things surelly have stalled from there on (really small progress in the last decade), Rasterization-based rendering has (kind of) hit a wall, it seems.
So, yes, maybe this is the time to think in other ways of achieving better realistic visuals with games.
I think the efforts of both Nvidia and AMD in pushing the technology to a different path (with Ray-Tracing) are absolutely worthy of applause.
(the prices so far aren't though )Nvidia with RTX series are pushing Ray-Tracing in games (despite currently limited support, as only three GPUs will have it) and, depending on the general adoption, could be the start of something great.
AMD too has been on it for sometime now with Radeon Rays which, while still very much a developer tool, are on the same path with its new ProRender release (Ray-Tracing techniques mixed with traditional Rasterization-based rendering). Plus, their FireRays2.0 is open source (easier access and possible faster progression).
It's still a very long way (IMO) but the changes, in the longer term, look promising.
The next decade will be interesting for this, in that old methods and habits may have to be dropped in favor of other ones. The balance of production costs for the software, hardware, and investment in games creation around new technologies, it's all going to be crucial.
Initially, it may be very slow but, as the video shows, there's always leaps and discoveries at some point.
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Interesting Benchmarks for the RTX 2080ti.
In the end something will always be the bottleneck!
Finding actual game frame rates more informative than benchmarks which might or might not be designed to show the advantages of a particular GPU maker and or model.
Hope somebody will do Rf2 VR test soon?
Great Video
Recall the Elite running on a C-64
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In the end something will always be the bottleneck!
Finding actual game frame rates more informative than benchmarks which might or might not be designed to show the advantages of a particular GPU maker and or model.
Hope somebody will do Rf2 VR test soon?
Great Video
Recall the Elite running on a C-64
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Mr Latte
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NIce comparisons.
ACC lets remember still needs optimized and with improved drivers expected.
3440 x 1440 = 4,953,600 pixels (Ultrawide)
5120 x 1440 = 7,372,800 pixels (49" SuperUltrawide 2019 / potentially ideal res/framerate)
3840 x 2160 = 8,294,400 pixels (4K)
Different System 4K Comparison
ACC lets remember still needs optimized and with improved drivers expected.
3440 x 1440 = 4,953,600 pixels (Ultrawide)
5120 x 1440 = 7,372,800 pixels (49" SuperUltrawide 2019 / potentially ideal res/framerate)
3840 x 2160 = 8,294,400 pixels (4K)
Different System 4K Comparison
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Durge Driven
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I decided to cancel order last week before the 5th when was due
My mate wanted firm answer on GTX1070 for $400
Mine is like new no dusty no burnt smell and they selling for $450 2 years old without boxes etc on Gumtree
That got me thinking the RTX2080 would be 3 times dearer then keeping my 1070 for only double the fps
My mate wanted firm answer on GTX1070 for $400
Mine is like new no dusty no burnt smell and they selling for $450 2 years old without boxes etc on Gumtree
That got me thinking the RTX2080 would be 3 times dearer then keeping my 1070 for only double the fps
Durge Driven
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On those ACC benches......
Now imagine if they implemented DLSS on top in AC3 ( well hopefully AC2/ACC)
You would get back all the loss from TAA.......... then some !
It could be great performance gains for Tri, 4K, VR ... no image loss ........like that's game changing
......and where I said from DAY 1 the value for sims lies
RTX is only the candy .....DLSS is the speed
Now imagine if they implemented DLSS on top in AC3 ( well hopefully AC2/ACC)
You would get back all the loss from TAA.......... then some !
It could be great performance gains for Tri, 4K, VR ... no image loss ........like that's game changing
......and where I said from DAY 1 the value for sims lies
RTX is only the candy .....DLSS is the speed
Mr Latte
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On those ACC benches......
Now imagine if they implemented DLSS on top in AC3 ( well hopefully AC2/ACC)
You would get back all the loss from TAA.......... then some !
It could be great performance gains for Tri, 4K, VR ... no image loss ........like that's game changing
......and where I said from DAY 1 the value for sims lies
RTX is only the candy .....DLSS is the speed
The game is not listed as supporting DLSS, RTX features but Ray Tracing only.
Want higher frames, thats easy, lower the resolution and increase the distance to the screen.
120Hz Full HD 1080p HDR projectors are out next year which may be a fun option to game on.
