Is VR dead?

[anton_Chez]

Waste of time.

 

[BrunoBæ]

Jump to 2 hours into the broadcast.

Thank you for answering - and I did watch from about 2.00H
But I dont really believe this will be happening - at least not before end of 2024 or beginning of 2025.
On thing I noted was that Sebastian said after actually having seen this production ready(??) 12K thing.
Sebastian: He didnt want to turn the device on - eventhough launch day is only about ½ year from now.
Some other things I noted in the video:
Normally such a device production should allready have begun.
It feels its too good to be true.
Sebastian: Im really hopefull - at least something is going on.

 

[RCHeliguy]

I think the pigs flying image adequately conveys my confidence in Pimax to deliver this by the end of the year, but I dare them to make me a believer!

 

[anton_Chez]

They won't. They'll make you wait 18 months after their ridiculous release date estimates and then break your nose with their uncomfortable af headsets.

Seriously, anyone waiting for anything from Pimax needs to find something else to pass the time with. If anything ever comes from them, deal with it when it happens.

 

[BrightCandle]

Its Pimax, the obvious problem is this isn't ready its a spec sheet and a fancy display demo currently. But more problematic will likely be that they still wont have solved the Z distance issue and it will distort at the edges. Kevin is pretty happy to be paid to lie about the headset. Its PiMax until they have a working headset and until real people are testing retail devices (the PiMax 8k display was not what got built, it had custom lenses much better than retail) we can't be sure what the device can really do.

 

[blekenbleu]

force people to buy all new hardware

PCIe Gen 5 SSDs will reportedly offer speeds of up to 14 GBps,
which is about the speed of DDR4-2133 memory.
Active cooling is wanted.
https://wccftech.com/phison-talks-n...ew-interfaces-up-to-14w-gen-5-28w-gen-6-tdps/

 

[RCHeliguy]

PCIe Gen 5 SSDs will reportedly offer speeds of up to 14 GBps,
which is about the speed of DDR4-2133 memory.
Active cooling is wanted.
https://wccftech.com/phison-talks-n...ew-interfaces-up-to-14w-gen-5-28w-gen-6-tdps/

But if you look at the benchmarks for the fastest SSD drives, their performance isn't buying much.

My "old" i9-9900K with 3200 MHz DRAM was doing a good job in my gaming computer and is in my development machine now.

My new i9-12900KS with 4000 MHz DRAM is marginally faster, but it's not a massive change and I only upgraded this because my development machine was 10 generations behind. It does have a PCIe 5.0 slot that appears to offer a very small advantage. This MB also has PCIe 4.0 NVMe support, but I'm still using normal SSD drives because other than a miniscule difference in load times it doesn't impact gaming performance.

It's possible that faster DRAM and PCIe 5 with a 40 series GPU will have some improvement that isn't noticeable now because of other bottlenecks, or it may end up meaning very little.

 

[RCHeliguy]

After all the talk about the new PCIe 5.0 power bus, I somehow missed all the recent articles talking about the ATX 3.0 power supply specification with the new 12 pin 450-600W connector.

According to this article the ATX 3.0 spec is the first PSU spec change since 2003 !

Intel Introduces New ATX PSU Specifications

ATX 3.0 and ATX12VO 2.0 support next-generation hardware power demands.

www.intel.com

I thought I had read that there would be an adapter to allow older PSU's to handle power these cards, but that no longer seems likely.

Edit: This shows that there is an additional communication channel as well.

 

[blekenbleu]

meaning very little

Faster storage might help e.g. games that load additional content while running (MSFS?),
but not while careening around a skidpad in AC.

 

[RCHeliguy]

The 25% Tariffs for GPU's from China has been dropped until the end of the year
Power supplies above 500W did not make the exclusion list

With regard to PSU's I recently found out that Seasonic builds ALL Corsair PSU's, so I'll just stick with Seasonic going forward.

 

[RCHeliguy]

PCIe Gen 5 SSDs will reportedly offer speeds of up to 14 GBps,
which is about the speed of DDR4-2133 memory.
Active cooling is wanted.
https://wccftech.com/phison-talks-n...ew-interfaces-up-to-14w-gen-5-28w-gen-6-tdps/

Obviously we all need PCIe 6.0 now, right? Geeze!

Forget BINARY!!!! they are encoding 4 states!

 

[blekenbleu]

older PSU's to handle power these cards

Transient load spikes are/will be "a massive consideration"

 

[RCHeliguy]

It's a given that I will be putting a new high power ATX 3.0 PSU in my gaming computer before I get a 40 series GPU. The 3090Ti isn't anything I would bother with.

 

[Terry Rock]

Good, 'clean' power goes a long way.
I am still using the PC Power and Cooling Quad 750 I bought back in 2012.
I've built no less than four different systems using that exact one.
Kept it each time I sold a system.

 

[RCHeliguy]

Good, 'clean' power goes a long way.
I am still using the PC Power and Cooling Quad 750 I bought back in 2012.
I've built no less than four different systems using that exact one.
Kept it each time I sold a system.

My Corsair 1200W PS is about a decade old as well. Out with the old...

I'll put my old 1200W PS in a Fractal Define R6 that's empty. When I upgrade my GPU, the 2080TI will go there as well and then I get to decide if I want to bother with a new 13th gen MB at the end of hte year. If I do that then I'll pass my i9-9900K down to this system and it will likely go to my daughter with my Valve Index assuming I have a replacement by then.

Planned obsolescence...

 

[BrunoBæ]

When I upgrade my GPU, the 2080TI

How about selling this oold g-card to me instead?
Im running an even oolder GTX1060 and maybe its time to "retire" it.
Like "retirement" in Blade Runner

 

[RCHeliguy]

Those are AR contacts, NOT VR contacts, but this is where things will be going.

 

[RCHeliguy]

That would be pretty decent adoption.

 

[Deleted member 197115]

That would be pretty decent adoption.

 

[Terry Rock]

It'll be interesting to see how VR and WMR work on Intel ARC Alchemist.
I haven't seen any reports or anyone speculating about this aspect to date.
I believe given it's instruction set and features, it'll be a better experience than AMD in that regard...though it may lag a bit behind Nvidia.
I am so hoping I can get my hands on the top card in that offering.
I see those cards being better than expected, once the normal niggling teething issues are ironed out.
Looking forward to them more than just about any other card.