Is VR dead?

Deleted member 197115 · Sep 17, 2021

Not GT, but this looks interesting, wondering if FM7 is supported as well.

EDIT: It must be Steam edition, FM7 never was released there, only FH4.

dwightyone · Sep 17, 2021

Andrew_WOT said:
EDIT: It must be Steam edition, FM7 never was released there, only FH4.

If only this had working traffic lights that the AI also adhered to...

Still pretty nifty that it's working in VR in some form

BrightCandle · Sep 17, 2021

I played FH4 projected in Windows Mixed Reality home, that isn't that dissimilar to what is being done here with VorpX. You can do the same with SteamVR too. Since VorpX can't get to the 3D rendering or projecting there isn't a lot of point using VorpX over and above WMR basic app I suspect.

RCHeliguy · Sep 20, 2021

Not too surprising.

The Valve Index is still selling strong 2 years later, and going in and out of inventory surpassing all HTC products to date.

Meanwhile the Oculus Quest is selling in mass and getting VR in front of massive numbers of people. That said, the trickledown from the Oculus Quest has been completely separate from the rest of the market with many exclusively Quest games being built, so unfortunately the stand alone VR segment has created a larger market than PC based VR and has pulled many game development shops in another direction

So the PC market will remain the "enthusiast" market with Sony's Console PS VR and Oculus's stand alone VR both having a much larger audience.

HTC will fade away, Valve will grow, Oculus will grow faster and others will be there too.

Current trends could end up with Valve near 25% of the market, Oculus 70% and 5% for the rest, until something eventually disrupts the market.

Deleted member 197115 · Sep 20, 2021

There are some rumors on Quest Pro for 2022.

Oculus Quest Pro: Rumored Features & Everything We Know

Hints suggest Facebook is developing an Oculus Quest Pro. What new features and improvements might it have compared with the Quest 2 standalone VR headset?

uploadvr.com

blekenbleu · Sep 20, 2021

RCHeliguy said:
until something eventually disrupts the market

Supposing that I am not alone in wanting e.g. live steering wheel and real keyboard in 3D cockpit view, then AR or mixed reality.
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R8pilot · Sep 21, 2021

Interesting data. It's very uncomfortable to watch that sociopathic monster FaceBook taking over.

Apple may be the next mover. But that would almost certainly be marketed as an iPhone accessory (i.e., must be connected to the phone for it to work) and also almost certainly AR, not VR, just because all-encompassing VR is so isolating. But Iphones and ipads have had (off-head) AR capabilities for a while now and things have barely moved past rather desperate-feeling "look, isn't this cool?" tech demos, to the point that few people even know their phones can do it at all.

I haven't found myself a fan of current VR quality, but mixing in my real-life wheel and other controls would be nice. Better cameras are needed for that than are currently equipped for position sensing, obviously.

blekenbleu · Sep 21, 2021

R8pilot said:
iPhone accessory

I suppose that Apple will offer (iSee? iGlass?) with nominal independence, comparable to iWatch
which justifies adding more processing capability and price.

R8pilot · Sep 21, 2021

Yes, I'm sure it will have its own processing power, but too much would make it demand more battery, making it heavier, hotter, etc.

I think they would prefer something more like google glass than a bulky, heavy and isolating head-set, and it all comes down to image. There's just no way to make one of the latter look cool to your average 20-something hipster. To the contrary, they practically scream "incel."

Hence my thought that it would be light, open and wirelessly tethered to what is Apple's centerpiece; an iphone (a new one, of course.

).

It's all just rumor and conjecture, but it's fun to speculate.

And so, "VR is for lonely, isolated incels." Discuss!

RCHeliguy · Sep 21, 2021

R8pilot said:
And so, "VR is for lonely, isolated incels." Discuss!

Yeah, as someone married with two children and who takes part in many sports with my wife, I found ALL gaming completely uninteresting. It took VR to get my attention.

R8pilot · Sep 21, 2021

Don't feel bad, half of all married people are incels too. Lol.

I jest, of course, but given the demographics, the same might be said of sim-racing in general.

RCHeliguy · Sep 21, 2021

R8pilot said:
Don't feel bad, half of all married people are incels too. Lol.

I jest, of course, but given the demographics, the same might be said of sim-racing in general.

Or any hard core gamers.

I haven't watched his channel in a while, but GamerMuscle used to go on sarcastically about how excited girls are about sim racers! LOL!

Deleted member 197115 · Sep 21, 2021

RCHeliguy said:
Or any hard core gamers.

Or South Park watchers.

RCHeliguy · Sep 21, 2021

Andrew_WOT said:
Or South Park watchers.

Them's fighting words!

South Park rules!

Fennario · Sep 25, 2021

HoiHman · Sep 28, 2021

Not sure if his finding are true, but for now i would hold out on spending extreme amounts of cash on a vario and wait for the Index 2

Turk · Sep 28, 2021

HoiHman said:
Not sure if his finding are true, but for now i would hold out on spending extreme amounts of cash on a vario and wait for the Index 2

I think my setup with a G2 is fine for now. I can barely run the thing so more resolution isn't going to be attractive to me for the foreseeable future. Having splashed out on a 3080 (the most I've ever spent on a card and I got it at MSRP) I will skip the next generation of cards. I know they'll have a lot of power but it will probably be the generation after the next one before developers are in a position to really take advantage of that extra power.

My plan is to skip the next generation of everything and wait for the human eye resolution to become the standard and also wait for hardware that can actually run those resolutions to become the norm. I'm guessing that the 5000 series at best.

RCHeliguy · Sep 28, 2021

VR was obsolete in 2008. Who knew?

RobertR1 · Sep 29, 2021

Turk said:
I think my setup with a G2 is fine for now. I can barely run the thing so more resolution isn't going to be attractive to me for the foreseeable future. Having splashed out on a 3080 (the most I've ever spent on a card and I got it at MSRP) I will skip the next generation of cards. I know they'll have a lot of power but it will probably be the generation after the next one before developers are in a position to really take advantage of that extra power.

My plan is to skip the next generation of everything and wait for the human eye resolution to become the standard and also wait for hardware that can actually run those resolutions to become the norm. I'm guessing that the 5000 series at best.

Pretty much this. I'll stick with the G2 until there's a notable bump in rendering techniques which allow more resolution without a large jump in gpu performance to go with it.

If someone can figure out managing distortion and pupil swim on aspheric lenses we can get Varjo like clarity and good enough fov. Distance clarity is what I want more for simracing and fresnel lenses are limited there even with higher ppd due to the tech.

BrightCandle · Oct 1, 2021

I am still sat with the Odyssey+. There are enough VR performance problems doubling the pixel count is only going to make that worse! I do want more but we need faster GPUs and better use of the resolution with software to reduce the cost of it all. Just rendering all these pixels with large over render can't continue into the well above 4k rendering pixel densities, smarter has to come into this, what we are doing right now is so inefficient.