Debate: The Rights and Wrongs of the Verstappen Penalty
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Plain silly are these type of things: https://twitter.com/MaVic009/status/922205946096574467
Saying the stewarts are always favouring Ferrari and against Max while he pulled those moves in these abovementioned races, that is just plain silly and ignorant.
Andy_J
I hate Race cheats ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Poor Max.. He already said how much he loves new/parking lot tracks and how much he cringes when thinking of Monaco. Wonder why. What a future champ... 
FIA, in its current disastrous/politicized state, is most inconsistent in enforcing penalties for cutting the track. But then again it encourages drawing tracks on tarmac instead of having the gravel trap start 50cm outside the kerbs. All in the name of pussifying the sport. TT riders must be laughing their socks off.
FIA, in its current disastrous/politicized state, is most inconsistent in enforcing penalties for cutting the track. But then again it encourages drawing tracks on tarmac instead of having the gravel trap start 50cm outside the kerbs. All in the name of pussifying the sport. TT riders must be laughing their socks off.
No, he was animated because it was inconsistent. Many other ran wide etc while being passed but used the off track to fight back!
True. It being Max had nothing to do with it. And it must've been his first such pass. The injustice...
Many other including Max VERSTAPPEN ! I love that supid excuse of many others were cutting to gain advantage but fail to mention Max was doing the same through out the race and in qualy !!!!! this time the advantage was not time or catching up, but over taking someone for podium !!!! FFS !!!
The penalty's right. Verstappen's move is illegal. And it's illegal in every sim we drive as well
I agree with who suggests to use real grass instead of that particular coloured tarmac, outside the track limits, or some heavy kerbs, so a driver can't do such a bold move to gain a position.
I agree with who suggests to use real grass instead of that particular coloured tarmac, outside the track limits, or some heavy kerbs, so a driver can't do such a bold move to gain a position.
People keep comparing going wide in turn exit to cutting the inside of the corner like they are exactly the same thing. To me it seems that the stewards allow to go wide in corner exit, but cut the inside of the corner and gaining a positions it's completely different. Technically they are both going out of the white lines, but one of those gains much much more time...guess what one.
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Just line the edge of the track with anti-personnel mines, empty Jack Daniels bottles & Drachenzähne. That'll sort the corner cutters No seriously though, as Coultard often points out on these open tracks 'If this was Monaco he would minus half a car'. Seems to me there was a lot of imaginative track interpretation going on in that race, 99% of it totally ignored by the stewards & 1% not... As said above somewhere, anything beyond the curbs should be wet tar to a race car. It would provide an incentive not to stray, or add armco barriers where habitual off track violations occur.
Also, I think Max seemed to suddenly reacted to Kimi moving right. It all happened so quick...but you gotta love young Max & his race craft.
No seriously though, as Coultard often points out on these open tracks 'If this was Monaco he would minus half a car'. Seems to me there was a lot of imaginative track interpretation going on in that race, 99% of it totally ignored by the stewards & 1% not... As said above somewhere, anything beyond the curbs should be wet tar to a race car. It would provide an incentive not to stray, or add armco barriers where habitual off track violations occur.Also, I think Max seemed to suddenly reacted to Kimi moving right. It all happened so quick...but you gotta love young Max & his race craft.
The Stewards made the right call.
As a flag marshal for the WFMA (Waneroo Flag Marshals Association) @ Barbagallo Raceway, we are instructed to call in any abuse of track limits that see competitors exceeding the track limits with all four wheels, we, as CAMS officials are affiliated with, and recognized by the FIA, follow the same regulations as all FIA officials globally.
The fact is, Max exceeded track limits with all 4 wheels while overtaking, which gained him a distinct and obvious advantage. It would of been deemed by the stewards at the time that he gained a maximum of 5 seconds with the illegal cut and this is why he was penalised by 5 seconds.
TBH, all drivers were exceeding the limits at some point during practice, qualifying and the race, it occurs at nearly all F1 circuits. But if the marshals had to call in all track limit breeches there would be an uproar by drivers, teams and fans alike, as every driver would be hit with penalties. Try being a track/flag marshal, go volunteer for a day at your local track and see how difficult it really is, you'll be surprised.
As a flag marshal for the WFMA (Waneroo Flag Marshals Association) @ Barbagallo Raceway, we are instructed to call in any abuse of track limits that see competitors exceeding the track limits with all four wheels, we, as CAMS officials are affiliated with, and recognized by the FIA, follow the same regulations as all FIA officials globally.
The fact is, Max exceeded track limits with all 4 wheels while overtaking, which gained him a distinct and obvious advantage. It would of been deemed by the stewards at the time that he gained a maximum of 5 seconds with the illegal cut and this is why he was penalised by 5 seconds.
TBH, all drivers were exceeding the limits at some point during practice, qualifying and the race, it occurs at nearly all F1 circuits. But if the marshals had to call in all track limit breeches there would be an uproar by drivers, teams and fans alike, as every driver would be hit with penalties. Try being a track/flag marshal, go volunteer for a day at your local track and see how difficult it really is, you'll be surprised.
Aidan Keranen
League of Legends Play by Play Caster
probably already been said by someone...
But Codemasters probably would have got me on that, so I'm fine with the decision
But Codemasters probably would have got me on that, so I'm fine with the decision
If you are going to design these silly tracks with huge run of areas, low kerbs, grasscrete areas and really no punishment for driver making really quite considerable mistakes, this is always likely.
I applaud Max for the move, it was brave, daring and imaginative. But Kimi would not have been expecting it, not because Max is some amazing talent who is the only drover who thinks up this kind of thing, but because it is not a true line, there, he went full off track to gain an advantage.
In all honesty, the corner at the top after the twisties was abused every lap, full car width so you can see Horner's point.
I think we would rather have pure consistency, like goal line technology in football, so there is no grey area.
Or maybe Liberty want this as it gives the media and us something to talk about in an otherwise typically dull modern F1 race
I applaud Max for the move, it was brave, daring and imaginative. But Kimi would not have been expecting it, not because Max is some amazing talent who is the only drover who thinks up this kind of thing, but because it is not a true line, there, he went full off track to gain an advantage.
In all honesty, the corner at the top after the twisties was abused every lap, full car width so you can see Horner's point.
I think we would rather have pure consistency, like goal line technology in football, so there is no grey area.
Or maybe Liberty want this as it gives the media and us something to talk about in an otherwise typically dull modern F1 race
Benutzername
www.hasenkamp-motorsport.de
In the past it simply was not possible to be quicker outside of the track. Nowadays its possible and that started the whole can of worms.
In austria 2014 i think it was disallowed to use the outside area of a corner to be quicker. In the early 00s at that area there was grass and gravel.
The problem is the track, not the driver. If there is a faster way to drive they should use it.
Obviously Verstappen should have known that he would be given a penalty, that was quite obvious.
In austria 2014 i think it was disallowed to use the outside area of a corner to be quicker. In the early 00s at that area there was grass and gravel.
The problem is the track, not the driver. If there is a faster way to drive they should use it.
Obviously Verstappen should have known that he would be given a penalty, that was quite obvious.
I don't know I think it's a little foolish. But to me, he moved more to the right Because Raikkonen tried to close gap. He wouldn't have crossed it with all 4 wheels if that didn't happen.
To me it's a racing situation. Almost all of them when out of the track in one corner, and that was apparently legal driving.
To me it's a racing situation. Almost all of them when out of the track in one corner, and that was apparently legal driving.
