Bruno Senna

[Kyle Puttifer]

I would class Senna as a rookie, HRT doesn't really count and neither does half a season in a sub-par Renault, and his age in relation to this is irrelevant. Remember how his mother stopped his career after Ayrton's death? Probably the sole reason that he wasn't in F1 sooner than 2010.

 

[David Jundt]

Then the same goes for people that drive at Coloni, Larrousse, EuroBrun, etc. They were all "rookies". /end sarcasm

Ricciardo when driving for STR will also be a rookie, and Candhok if he came back.

And besides: It won't be Sauber for Bruno, there are other drivers they'd sign. There are reserve drivers that are hungry too.

 

[Chris Cronshaw]

But the thing is that you are still racing against your teammate, no matter where you are on the grid.
That is really what it comes down to at the end of the day. the speed of the car or where on the grid you start is not as important as beating your own teammate.

They weren´t always running for themselves, like China where Williams ended up ahead of STR, Force India, and Lotus.
At Turkey Barrichello was ahead of Jamie.
At Spain Maldonado was ahead of Jamie.
At Monaco Barrichello was ahead of Buemi, Rosberg, Di Resta and had Maldonado not been in trouble with Hamilton he would probably have ended up 7th ahead of Sutil and Heidfeld.

In Canada Rubens was ahead of Buemi and Rosberg.
In Europe Rubens was ahead of Buemi, Di Resta, Petrov, Kobayashi and Schumacher.
In Britain both Williams drivers was ahead of Di Resta.
In Germany Maldo was ahead of Buemi.
Hungary we saw Rubens finish ahead of Sutil and Perez.
In Belgium we saw Maldo finish ahead of Di Resta, Kobayashi and Senna.

Singapore Maldo was ahead of Buemi, Kobayashi, Senna while Rubens was ahead of Koba and Senna.
Japan Maldo finished ahead of Jamie and Senna.
In Korea Rubens was ahead of Senna, Koba, Perez
Abu Dhabi Rubens was ahead of Jamie, Petrov and Senna, Maldo ahead of Jamie and Senna.
In Brazil we saw Rubens finish higher then Schumacher.

so the idea that Williams mostly ran by themselves between the backmarkers and middlemarkers for most of the time i find very hard to believe.

As far as Hulkenberg goes and keeping Barrichello on his toes... He finished 25 points further back.
As far as qualifying goes Barrichello had the advantage of having the average gap of -0.140 seconds to Hulkenberg.
So in terms of Qualifying, Maldonado has done a better job at keeping up with Barrichello then what Hulkenberg did. Maldo actually beat Barrichello in Qualifying pace wise.
And had he not been crashed out in Monaco he would have finished ahead of Barrichello in the standings.

If none of that is impressive for a rookie i don´t know what is to be honest.

Should i continue?

I give up. You asked for my opinion and I gave it to you. All your throw at me is what if's, could of's would of's and should of's.

All your quotes are make statements like Schumacher was winning the 97 Jerez Grand prix.

Or Vettel was winning at Canada, none at that matters.

And Maldonado has not been wheel to wheel with anyone significantly this season he "Was" ahead at the points you've stated but in terms of the battle for position he was more often than not on the receiving end.

And one last thing, Hulkenberg's points of 22 to Barrichello's 47 did not equate to a 75% points deficit it was less than half.

So you see I do have sound logic for my opinion. And no matter how many of your what if's could of's would of's and should of's you throw at me I will continue to believe that Maldonado is a wasted seat.

Other than Virgin HRT i do believe he is the only plain as day pay to drive driver on the grid going into 2012. That's gotta speak volumes of what Williams think of his talent that going into his second season he is still paying to retain his seat.

If they thought anything of him they would be doing what they can to keep him surely

 

[Hampus Andersson]

I give up. You asked for my opinion and I gave it to you. All your throw at me is what if's, could of's would of's and should of's.

No sorry but that is where you are wrong. I provide facts. You provide opinions that is based on your pre-determined dislike against Maldonado.

You have said so many statements and i have asked so many times for you to back them up with an ounce of evidence yet you haven´t answered any of them.

A few of them was shot down aswell, like the statement that Hulkenberg did a better job or was quicker then Maldonado compared to Barrichello which isn´t true as you can see for yourself, the numbers do not lie.

And one last thing, Hulkenberg's points of 22 to Barrichello's 47 did not equate to a 75% points deficit it was less than half.

Doesn´t matter, Maldonado was only 3 points away from his teammate while Hulkenberg was over 20.

Again, they drive the same car so the opportunity to take as many points as your teammate is still there.
Just because points stop counting at a certain position doesn´t mean a guy can outperform or hold his own during the rest of the races.

Afterall, there was only three races this year that Williams scored points. 1 with Maldo and 2 with Barrichello.

And no matter how many of your what if's could of's would of's and should of's you throw at me I will continue to believe that Maldonado is a wasted seat.

I know i get that, but you should know that your opinions are taken right out of the blue.
Same with the other numerous statements you have made with nothing to back it up.

That's gotta speak volumes of what Williams think of his talent that going into his second season he is still paying to retain his seat.

He does not pay for his seat. Sponsors do. Just as the sponsor pays for his salary which many drivers on the grid do.

 

[Hampus Andersson]

Just as a note. How can you talk about Maldonado in such a way and not mention Hamilton?

He´s had just as bad of a year if not worse considering the car he has, and Hamilton is not even a rookie but still managed to collide with the same guy not once not twice not three times but a whooping 5 times!
According to your logic, Hamilton should be stripped of his superlicense and go back to go carts where they take collisions slightly lighter.

But you don´t. Why? Because you know how good Hamilton is because he´s proven it to you several times.
Maldo has not been given a chance to show what he´s capable of.

The pace is there, fact. race pace is there, just needs to tidy it up for the next year.

I´m out... it´s impossible to discuss with people already having their mind set despite what the facts say.

 

[Chris Jenkins]

Let's calm it down guys. Agree to disagree.

 

[Chris Cronshaw]

Let's calm it down guys. Agree to disagree.

I've been trying to do that but he keeps quoting none sentical jargon that only proves that my opinion is accurate.

Hence the reason he's been arguing with himself for the last 2 posts. Anyway back on topic.

I would love to see Senna take Maldanado's seat. I think he could do a far superior job in the Williams seat, Senna definitely proved himself this year with some really solid drives.

I was just looking at the results actually. Petrov although improved on last year hasn't had a great season.
He only scored 3 more points than Heidfeld yet completed half a season more than him.

 

[Hampus Andersson]

I hope Senna gets the other seat at Williams, that way we have it in black and white which one is the better driver.
but then again some might just stick their head in the sand anyways

 

[David Jundt]

Sorry, but I'ven seen Senna close to Maldonado during the last races when the Renault was between Average and Poor. Some of it was thanks to Senna's driving though, or other problems.

Senna at Williams looks highly unlikely, unless he finds more money than Barrichello(Around 5M?) and Sutil(Medion 6M).

 

[Michael Brown]

For the Maldonado/Barrichello battle, and the Sutil/Di Resta battle, BackmarkersF1 will help. Their alternate WDC separates the teams into 3 groups, the top teams, midfield and backmarkers, and applies the 2010 points scoring system to each. Here's the midfield:
1.Rosberg 300
2.Schumacher 237
3. Sutil 209
4. Di Resta 179
5. Kobayashi 159
6. Petrov 152
7. Alguersuari 143
8. Buemi 124
9. Heidfeld 117
10. Perez 108
11. Barrichello 77
12. Maldonado 38
13.Senna 29

So Barrichello beats Maldonado by 39 points, or 49%. Sutil beats Di Resta by 30 points, but the percent difference between them is larger, 86%.

 

[Luke McVicar]

This is all stupid, the less points you have the more percentage a decent position will give to your total tally.

Comparing points over different seasons is quite stupid as you would then have to go through each race individually on top if you want it to mean anything remotely factual.

heck if Maldonado finished Monaco without being taken out half of these discussions wouldn't be existing over that one race, the idea is F1 is not the same as other series, if it was spec then fair enough but it isn't so you have to realize this.

 

[ufunacaoenn]

For the Maldonado/Barrichello battle, and the Sutil/Di Resta battle, BackmarkersF1 will help. Their alternate WDC separates the teams into 3 groups, the top teams, midfield and backmarkers, and applies the 2010 points scoring system to each. Here's the midfield:
1.Rosberg 300
2.Schumacher 237
3. Sutil 209
4. Di Resta 179
5. Kobayashi 159
6. Petrov 152
7. Alguersuari 143
8. Buemi 124
9. Heidfeld 117
10. Perez 108
11. Barrichello 77
12. Maldonado 38
13.Senna 29

So Barrichello beats Maldonado by 39 points, or 49%. Sutil beats Di Resta by 30 points, but the percent difference between them is larger, 86%.

Sorry but I belive you did a mistake with your calculations and forgot to do 1 - (179/209) = 14%.

 

[Scott Webber]

Bruno Senna "will race for Williams" this season according to one of his backer, Brazil's richest businessman Eike Batista.

Last season, Brazilian company EBX announced that they would sponsor Senna when the 28-year-old stepped up to replace Nick Heidfeld at Lotus Renault GP.

And it appears that the company, which is headed by Batista, will continue to back the Brazilian.
Senna, though, is currently without a Formula One race-seat for this year's Championship, although rumours have linked him to Williams.

And although the 28-year-old insists that for now they are just rumours, Batista is adamant it's only a matter of time before the deal is announced.

"Simple, he will race for Williams," Batista tweeted.

source

 

[Hampus Andersson]

Already mentioned in the other Williams thread i believe

 

[David Jundt]

"Simple, he will race for Williams," Batista tweeted.

Simple indeed, you shut up and let Frank decide who drives

 

[EIF]

Sorry but Senna and Maldonado would be a horrible driver lineup for a team struggling to be competative.

 

[Victor Ivanov]

17-18 - I hope I'm wrong cause I really like Williams team.

 

[Ben Tusting]

Sutil should be there! and Barrichelo should retire!

 

[Christian Burge]

in your opinion

 

[Ben Tusting]

Everyone thinks that!