PISTA Motorsport Now In Early Access

Marcel Offermans said:

After buying it yesterday, I am still struggling to get it setup. First I tried it on my development system with an XBox controller that is setup with split axis (on the triggers) and hooked up via USB. Windows sees it just fine as a controller, but it's not visible in Pista. So that attempt failed. Then I installed it on my rig. Here, a different issue popped up. Although my pedals and wheel are all calibrated nicely in Windows, they are not in Pista, which reads the raw values. That in itself is not a big deal, but the in-game calibration screens have parameters with not enough range to make these axis respond properly from their minimum to maximum. So I could not assign any controls there either and I have not actually tried what is probably the most important part right now: the actual driving.

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I was able to calibrate my steering wheel and my throttle pedal, but I have a loadcell kit for my brake pedal and the pedal simply does not flex enough for the game to recognize it.

As I wrote earlier, I got a refund and will wait until these issues are solved. So far, the game is in "early access", but compared to the early access of Le Mans Ultimate, I would say that what is sold is a beta version.

kamov22 said:

I will get this game because of it lack of content and bare bones

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This comment is just so weird to me. Those would me my reasons not to be interested in a title until it is developed further, as I already have so much great content in so many great titles to spend my time with.

Kevin Troschinski said:

I have a perfect running and tweaked CSP 179p5 + pure0.180

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Same here, I have not the latest latest, but latest enough not to miss anything and have a stable game at the same time. AC is a bit like a Chinese buffet, it is not because it is all you can eat that you have to make yourself sick by over eating, take your time, choose carefully and enjoy the meal.
This title seems to be promising with potential, but if not incline to play guinea pig and enjoying beta testing, waiting a bit for the team to get to a more developed phase is probably not a bad strategy while playing with all the goodies we already have.

Kingkoenig said:

I was able to calibrate my steering wheel and my throttle pedal, but I have a loadcell kit for my brake pedal and the pedal simply does not flex enough for the game to recognize it.

As I wrote earlier, I got a refund and will wait until these issues are solved. So far, the game is in "early access", but compared to the early access of Le Mans Ultimate, I would say that what is sold is a beta version.

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Interesting. I had no issue whatsoever with my T-LCM.
Just to repeat myself; this title lacks a number of detailed options for adjustment.
But I'm sure they will come. The publishers probably can't turn a blind eye here

Pulling3r said:

Can you explain your comment? I've googled Bundle Games and Studio 56 but can't find anything related to your comment, you can image how much comes up if you google "bundle games".

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Bundle Games: Argentine Game Studio with absolute rights to the licenses regarding top argentine motorsport series. I've already talked at length about them, and the link to it is in this thread.

Studio 56: their new name as publisher, working with the same titles. Guess they needed to mislead people as their tainted image exceeds our country's frontiers.

The game launching in this state is a disappointment. We have been teased with news and previews for around one year, since the official first beta, and it is still in a very early developpment state, without any AI to race with, showing atrocious trees, dark windows, and lacking a proper sense of speed (Assetto Corsa syndrome again...), and having wheels support issues. The asked price is ok though for the content (for hotlaping).

On a positive note, there are some good ideas in the game : walking on the track, the free cam and the drone cam, the engine sounds... And the cars! As stated by Pai, the publishing company is known for its bad practices, I hope REG, which seems to be a serious dev one, won't suffer from bad buisness practices. It wouldn't be the first case. These cars and tracks are really interesting, unique, I'm still hyped. But this is just a demo with lots of content, it is really strange. The game should have deserved a better launch. I hope the devs will get the money to make their vision fully done.

Cote Dazur said:

This comment is just so weird to me. Those would me my reasons not to be interested in a title until it is developed further, as I already have so much great content in so many great titles to spend my time with.

Same here, I have not the latest latest, but latest enough not to miss anything and have a stable game at the same time. AC is a bit like a Chinese buffet, it is not because it is all you can eat that you have to make yourself sick by over eating, take your time, choose carefully and enjoy the meal.
This title seems to be promising with potential, but if not incline to play guinea pig and enjoying beta testing, waiting a bit for the team to get to a more developed phase is probably not a bad strategy while playing with all the goodies we already have.

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The comment about the bare bones, its called 'choice paralysis' well Netflix is a good example. If know the exact film or series you want to watch then its simple, log in find film watch....
Its when you flick on Netflix to 'just find something to watch'. I'll speak for myself but i know I'm speaking for most, you suddenly find so much choice, so many options, choice paralysis sets in to the worse case you don't pick anything at all or spend 30mins starting stuff and giving it 5 mins till you seek 'something better', then you fear your missing out on something that could be better to watch.....its real.

And it is in games, hell its in my steam games once you get over a certain number... Now think of that in say PCars, or modded AC where people can have thousands of cars and tracks... Unless you know what you race and mainly do that, its major choice paralysis setting in at times....

So simply it was being forced to only have a few cars psychologically can help..... but having said that, i refunded it as in this state it feels like a cash grab to continue, to get some funds in.
I see some on youtube saying its exciting to get these cars and tracks, but all and more are available in AC, so to the casual person that would suffice to scratch that itch.
Alas. I wish them well.

REG Simulations said:

Sent you a PM

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Just so people are aware, I've since extensively replied to the PM with some developer insights into why these calibration and detection issues might exist and how to solve them. I've ran into quite a few of these while developing my own controller support, so I think I have a reasonable idea of what's going on. An just in defense of the developers, in Windows alone there are about half a dozen different ways to interact with controllers. Over time Microsoft kept adding new, different and not completely compatible APIs, no doubt in an attempt to make things easier for everybody, but if you ask my honest opinion, they failed miserably. We have to all live with that for now and make the best of it.

Bought it, but in non-VR mode only part of the screen is displayed and I cannot access the settings. In VR the whole screen is visible but the resolution is so horrible that I cannot read the texts on my good old Oculus Rift. And when I start the race, I have no idea how the center the VR.

So… I refunded.

I am impressed.

The driving is very natural and the sound is wonderful.

Simple and sophisticated as real life goes.

Please Pista developers we don't need hundreds of cars and tracks.

We need few professional cars and tracks .

Is this our simulator.

Kingkoenig said:

Bought it and asked for a refund after 5 minutes. I tried to set up my Fanatec rig and could not input anything except my throttle pedal.

Will try again when they've solved that issue.

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Is anyone using Fanatec DD-PRO with sucess?
I was able to configure most controls (accelerator, break, gear)... but NOT the steering wheel.
Any help?
Thanks!!!

mglt said:

Test VR (try english subtitles) :

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Honestly, with this being English only site you could at least make an effort to produce English videos if you're so keen on advertising yourself instead of asking people to revert to subtitles while listening to something completely incomprehensible.

pcraenme said:

Bought it, but in non-VR mode only part of the screen is displayed and I cannot access the settings. In VR the whole screen is visible but the resolution is so horrible that I cannot read the texts on my good old Oculus Rift. And when I start the race, I have no idea how the center the VR.

So… I refunded.

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Seeing only a part.of.the screen is peobably due to the game launching in a higher resolution than your screen in window mode. Puttkng the game in fullscreen by presskng alt (right or left, I can't remember which one)+enter sometimes fixes this. Also some settings can be adjusted in the properties of the exe file to fix this type of issue.

The default blurry VR has been reported in the French video posted in previous pages, it seems to be a real current issue.

Havner said:

Honestly, with this being English only site you could at least make an effort to produce English videos if you're so keen on advertising yourself instead of asking people to revert to subtitles while listening to something completely incomprehensible.

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What's the problem? At the time this video was posted, there were these French first impressions and a Spanish first impressions video, not.any English one. Better to get one review than none, especially when subtitles are available. By the way I have been personnally posting links here about this game of an Argentinian youtuber as he was the only one able to make videos about it. All in Spanish. I remember having posted links of French videos too. It never seemed to be an issue. In 2024 you can enable automatic subtitles with translation in your mothertongue, even AI generated voice (Driver61 uses it, that's impressive), just in.order for you to be able to get information from more sources. And you say "no"???

Anyway, about this reviewer and his review, he is not the most competent simracing reviewer out there (he doesn't seem to write anything which results in long repetitive speeches, sometimes inaccurate, with bad French) but he is honest and tolerant, being more a gamerthan the usual sponsored elitist simracer, which makes him quiet reliable with the issues he reports. With this game, he struggled with the wheel and pedals support (which seems.to reset each time he launches the game) and, once done, the FFB is not satisfying. There's obviously something with the controllers, as already reported in this thread, as reviews are either strongly positive with the feeling.of the driving or absolutely bad. He reports the lack of sounds , the low.quality environments, the lack of sense of speed, and the blurry VR. His conclusion : a too early early access. See, thanks to the cool community you can skip these videos but still get the information. OT is an English writting website kndeed but with an international audience, and it is nice to benefit from people who are able to understand other languages and bring other sources. And, as Spanish and French are spread over the world, no wonder many OT members refer to videos in these languages. I do think simracing channels have been more and more boring for a few years, more talking and less reviews, so when I found a review or a first impressions video, I don't care about the language, I watch it. I haven't checked today but Pista M's covering has been almost unexistant (maybe for its own sake).

kamov22 said:

its called 'choice paralysis'

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I agree and understand, like most people, what choice paralysis is. but, to go back to your Netflix analogy, choosing a stream channel with very limited content over Netflix because they have too much choice would not make any sense to me either.
Is AC overwhelming some time to me? Yes, absolutely. It is like beeing very rich and not know how to spend your money, that is a problem I would be happy to have.

kamov22 said:

i refunded it as in this state

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Seems like the sensible thing to do at this stage. Asking money for what is offered is understandable from the dev POV, but as SIM racing enthusiast, we all have a moral duty of calling a cat a cat.
After trying it, making it work, thanks god I am experience and patient enough to make it happen. then there is everything about this title that range from mediocre to embarrassingly basic.
Even 10 years ago this would have been seen as bad, but launching this in 2024! Embarrassing!
Why on earth would anyone rather spend time using this instead of their favorite(s) SIM?

Cote Dazur said:

Why on earth would anyone rather spend time using this instead of their favorite(s) SIM?

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Probably for its original content. But indeed, I think it's a game you make a 15€ bet for, hoping it will start to be enjoyable in 2 years minimum. We get a 30€ bet with LMU, an rfactor 2.5 coming with its own flaws and with the awful untrustworthy MSG, and this 15€ bet for an alpha coming with a none recommended publisher. What a choice...
I admit that I am more confident with the 15€ bet. At least the previous company Bundlegames has been able to sell its Turismo Carretera games for many years, there are some skills there, even if they hide some bad practices.

There's a third choice though : wait and see!

roadyroad said:

Seeing only a part.of.the screen is peobably due to the game launching in a higher resolution than your screen in window mode. Puttkng the game in fullscreen by presskng alt (right or left, I can't remember which one)+enter sometimes fixes this. Also some settings can be adjusted in the properties of the exe file to fix this type of issue.

The default blurry VR has been reported in the French video posted in previous pages, it seems to be a real current issue.

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I tried alt+enter with no effect. Maybe the problem is that I have an ultrawide with 3440x1440 resolution. In VR however I noticed the resolution in the game setup was my screen resolution.

pcraenme said:

I tried alt+enter with no effect. Maybe the problem is that I have an ultrawide with 3440x1440 resolution. In VR however I noticed the resolution in the game setup was my screen resolution.

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Aw, maybe indeed it is not setip friendly wirh ultrawide screens and it tries tu use a superior height and then cutting the image.

It seems this guy uses an kltrawide screen with the game though :

I don't see any solution except playing with the resolution parameters by editing the properties of the exe file. I never know which parameter to change (there are 2 or 3 parameters about the resolution), I just try. It is useful with very old games which have difficulties with current resolutions. It may work with Pista M.

roadyroad said:

Probably for its original content. But indeed, I think it's a game you make a 15€ bet for, hoping it will start to be enjoyable in 2 years minimum. We get a 30€ bet with LMU, an rfactor 2.5 coming with its own flaws and with the awful untrustworthy MSG, and this 15€ bet for an alpha coming with a none recommended publisher. What a choice...
I admit that I am more confident with the 15€ bet. At least the previous company Bundlegames has been able to sell its Turismo Carretera games for many years, there are some skills there, even if they hide some bad practices.

There's a third choice though : wait and see!

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But the problem is all content and more is in AC, the F3 car is in AC and is very nice to drive and done by these guys, so its the exact same model I'd wager...
Look its to be applauded them trying this, good on them, but this talk of 'original content' isn't entirely true.
I get its stand alone game, but the average person interested in how the cars look who also has AC, why would they bother other than like me testing it before refunding...

kamov22 said:

But the problem is all content and more is in AC, the F3 car is in AC and is very nice to drive and done by these guys, so its the exact same model I'd wager...
Look its to be applauded them trying this, good on them, but this talk of 'original content' isn't entirely true.
I get its stand alone game, but the average person interested in how the cars look who also has AC, why would they bother other than like me testing it before refunding...

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I was refering to the tracks. Not sure all of them are available in AC. And, to be fair, Pista M brings the wet surface at launch, with puddles effects, on all of the tracks. Which makes them really unique. Is it enough? A 15€ hotlap simulator.

At least it is clear in the roadmap, there won't be any track racing mode, offline and online, before 2025. Rallly and drag races will be implemented in the next 2024 step though. Each step is announced with a lot of content, cars and tracks, for free, until 2026. It's ambitious but we can see a logic between each step, and the most complex tasks are kept for the 2025 steps. It makes sense but it also means that, if the project ended before its end, users would definitely be left with a hotlap simulator.


And for the sake of the game, the team needs advanced Unity professionals. I heard from one that Unity HDRP can do nice things only if the assets are heavily detailed ; if not, it won't make anything look better than the previous version of the engine.