2024 Formula One Mexican Grand Prix

pai · Monday at 13:39

muzikant said:
Well what about the layouts today for it makes possible. make gravel! Today's circuits make the drivers do this. No comparison with the 70's or Schumacher's time.

And as for Verstappen (black flag) where do you get this from? Norris was quite influenced by the British press and now they gave him a gift, while Noprris only got 5 seconds for the same in Austin. Easy points for him how more the britisch bias cry

Do remember that guidelines have been reinforced after Austin, penalties were always going to be different. As another example, Colapinto was also penalized with 10s for his overtake on Lawson.

muzikant · Monday at 13:45

pai said:
Do remember that guidelines have been reinforced after Austin, penalties were always going to be different. As another example, Colapinto was also penalized with 10s for his overtake on Lawson.

That's the whole problem with the FIA. Penalties are always explained differently every weekend... in Austin they were lenient with Norris and now strict again because it is Max Verstappen for the same thing. How credible??

Punishments should be no different! So because the keyboard worriors got involved last week who disagree and ex (British) F1 drivers, Norris is favored

David Jessat · Monday at 14:58

I don't think the problem lies in the penalty in general, but in what counts as "forcing off track". If a driver tries to go around the outside he should always expect to run out of room on exit so he should make sure to complete the move before that or at least be way ahead after the apex while still carrying momentum. Just being alongside is not an overtake, especially in that situation - and that goes double for drivers like Max.

In contrast, if you make it to the inside, you have an advantage the other car cannot take from you without deliberately running into you (remember Schumacher - Villeneuve '97).

One more thought: I don't think Verstappen will change the way he defends, no matter what penalty is given - this is more about psychological warfare than rulebooks. Lando needs to find a way to deal with this, or by the time Piastri finds his pace and consistency, he will be #2 very quickly.

trichens · Monday at 15:22

The problem with gravel is that it would allow a driver to be forced off and out of the race when the car is "beached" and a safety car period while the car is recovered. A grass surface would probably end up with a car in the wall due to no grip.

While going around the outside has it's risks, if the driver on the inside of the corner fails to remain inside the track limits then there should be an automatic penalty as you have failed to be in control of the car.
After all if exceeding track limits can get you a penalty then forcing another off the track by doing that should be a "no brainer".
Note that I'm not saying that if a car trying to pass exceeds track limits then the inside car is at fault, only if they also exceed the track limits.

On a slightly different point: if this was sim racing would we be expected driver status points to be lost for this type of driving? I've seen far less that have got racing suspensions.

Zolazem · Monday at 15:36

Lando was not forced off the track, Max closed the door at the outside. Lando could have braked.

TomLehockySVK · Monday at 16:33

trichens said:
On a slightly different point: if this was sim racing would we be expected driver status points to be lost for this type of driving? I've seen far less that have got racing suspensions.

If it was sim racing then it should absolutely be taken as dirty driving and shunned for not giving adequate space. Especially since as sim races we are amateur as amateur can be and one should not be expected ever to do F1 style "yield when the driver is ahead on corner exit". I had a situation like that in a race some time ago where (i am in the Green/Black car) i was told after the race by the dude who i spun "You should have yielded like in F1 since i was ahead of you".

My response is always hell no, if you think you are deserving of cutting my nose off just because you are a little bit ahead then get ready to be spun out. I am still fighting for a position here and you have to actually get fully pass me in order for me to brake.

In the world of F1 it is embarrassing when drivers go full send into corners and push each other off the track, or proper penalties have to be applied to clear that up. I enjoy close racing and intense fights but i am not impressed if someone drives like a menace on track.

boxer · Monday at 16:34

The Fia is basically stating that if the guy attempting the pass goes off track the driver defending will get a ten second penalty...so if I am the attacking driver I would stick to the outside every single opportunity and take to the grass if the leading car is defending. Then I would ignore the fact I passed outside the track an with the full expectation the defending driver will get a 10s.. not only can I gain time on everyone by short cutting the track I also know that the fia will favor me since the guy leading no longer has the right to defend. bring back gravel run off areas and go back to stop ang go penelties. interpretation of rules just opens the door to corrupt officiating like this weekend.

trichens · Monday at 17:44

boxer said:
The Fia is basically stating that if the guy attempting the pass goes off track the driver defending will get a ten second penalty...so if I am the attacking driver I would stick to the outside every single opportunity and take to the grass if the leading car is defending.

I think that should only to be true if the defending driver exceeds track limits and by so doing prevents the attacking driver from passing.
You can expect to get a penalty if you exceed track limits too often as it's seen to be gaining an advanage.
Exceeding track limits to prevent a pass should therefore be penalised.

Richard Wilks · Monday at 18:56

boxer said:
The Fia is basically stating that if the guy attempting the pass goes off track the driver defending will get a ten second penalty...so if I am the attacking driver I would stick to the outside every single opportunity and take to the grass if the leading car is defending. Then I would ignore the fact I passed outside the track an with the full expectation the defending driver will get a 10s.. not only can I gain time on everyone by short cutting the track I also know that the fia will favor me since the guy leading no longer has the right to defend. bring back gravel run off areas and go back to stop ang go penelties. interpretation of rules just opens the door to corrupt officiating like this weekend.

I second the having some sort of punishing surface besides the track.

The fact of the matter is that drivers are confortable doing these sorts of things, because they know nothing will happen if they go beyond the white line, or force someone behind the white line. In the days of grass, if a driver forced another off the track like that, he would most certainly get tangled with an out of control car spearing back into it, so it often meant the offending driver would also be in danger of ruining his race right there and then, the same say you wont force someone "off the track" if a guard rail is in the place of the white line. The presence of grass or any other surface is more a deterrent than anything else.

Mike Kadlcak · Monday at 19:03

ButtHurtGamer said:
I'm a Verstappen fan, and even I'm getting a bit pissed off at Max turning into a complete dickhead on the track whenever someone threatens to overtake him.

He’s driven like that his whole life. How anyone can become a fan is beyond understanding. And people getting upset about Sky Sports UK favoring British drivers is also mind-boggling… what do you expect? Go watch it on NL TV with Dutch commentators if you want Max fans.

boxer · Monday at 19:34

We can't unfortunately that's the only coverage we get here.Still doesn't excuse them from blind bias.

Wipeout999 · Tuesday at 07:50

@Connor Minniss great poll idea. Much better than the one about... 'socks'

If is it possible in your poll I would recommend to choose 3 drivers. Maybe with 'weight' of each vote like:
1st vote = 1.0
2nd vote = 0.8
3rd vote = 0.6

Statistics could be more interesting. It's should be simple to code but need some thinking if you ever decided to 'weight' votes. Anyway 2 or 3 should be much better option. Many people voting for their favourite driver (many is not equal all of course). I think my idea will give a chance to vote for favorite driver as well as for two more we want to have finish high.

Question was:

WHO ARE YOU SUPPORTING THIS WEEKEND?

It's not the same as rating after a race weekend or only race/sprint.

I will be glad for more such polls related to F1 and MotoGP at first and then maybe go for other motorsport categories. Especially before race weekend and after it.

And one more note: the drivers are one thing but we have a teams too. It should be added to the poll next to drivers IMHO.

Wipeout999 · Tuesday at 07:57

Mike Kadlcak said:
He’s driven like that his whole life. How anyone can become a fan is beyond understanding. And people getting upset about Sky Sports UK favoring British drivers is also mind-boggling… what do you expect? Go watch it on NL TV with Dutch commentators if you want Max fans.

Stop it. T4 was clean, T8 not. Period. With all this DRS era people forgot what the F1 is and how drivers fight for position in the past. Don't start this **** talk both of you PLEASE because it's the last place where some of us want to read again and again the same bullshit in section comments which is on another websites. THANKS.

EDIT:
@Connor Minniss One more idea. I know comments are important for website but it will be good to close comments section after a race start. If you like then maybe new 'after race' section should be created and people like me would just skip it because of above thrash talk. Take it inder consideration please. I don't want polarization of OverTake community with such stuff for good of the gamers (we discuss about sim-racing titles in more civil way than these fanboys here and we are sometimes very biased when it comes to titles). Thank you.

Fexcooper · Tuesday at 09:06

Verstappen is taking this too far... he's just doing it to ruin Norris's championship now

David Jessat · Tuesday at 12:35

Fexcooper said:
Verstappen is taking this too far... he's just doing it to ruin Norris's championship now

You do realise that is literally the whole point, don't you?
Norris not becoming champion because he wants to win himself?

Motorsport has always been about winning and to do that you bend the rules as far as possible, both off track and on.
I don't understand, maybe watch chess or something...

Fexcooper · Wednesday at 10:15

Yes, it is within the rules, but Verstappen is putting himself in a place where, either he gets the position, or you crash, which I don't think is very fair.. I don't care if he wins the championship or not, I just don't like dirty drivers

Pete Conway · Wednesday at 10:57

@Wipeout999, I agree with much of what you have there, and feel that the actual polls should be closed at the start of the race, the comments though should remain open, however the hate and disrespect should be stamped out, we're all (well mostly) racing fans so we should understand that we're in the same small bubble.

As for another/different poll, I like choosing which driver's I support (like to do well) before the race and the multi choice is a good thing, but I also feel that the addittion of a further poll (a second poll box) in the same thread could be for the Podium, guess the full podium...1st, 2nd, and 3rd. perhaps also another line for in the points but off the podium.
Actually I think it could be done simply by extending (a few more columns) the spreadsheet a bit.

Rene / GRunner · Wednesday at 11:03

Pete Conway said:
@Wipeout999, I agree with much of what you have there, and feel that the actual polls should be closed at the start of the race, the comments though should remain open, however the hate and disrespect should be stamped out, we're all (well mostly) racing fans so we should understand that we're in the same small bubble.

As for another/different poll, I like choosing which driver's I support (like to do well) before the race and the multi choice is a good thing, but I also feel that the addittion of a further poll (a second poll box) in the same thread could be for the Podium, guess the full podium...1st, 2nd, and 3rd. perhaps also another line for in the points but off the podium.
Actually I think it could be done simply by extending (a few more columns) the spreadsheet a bit.

Thanks for the suggestions and feedback

We will check on our site what could be done as when reading your text, it immediately started the thought of "so if we guess podiums anyway, can we make like a little game out of it?" similar to fantasy football or such.

Will have a look

Pete Conway · Wednesday at 12:04

Rene / GRunner said:
Thanks for the suggestions and feedback

We will check on our site what could be done as when reading your text, it immediately started the thought of "so if we guess podiums anyway, can we make like a little game out of it?" similar to fantasy football or such.

Will have a look

It was on my mind while I was making the post, but curtailed the thought because it might be asking too much.

The winner at the end of the year could get a free sub

Rene / GRunner · Wednesday at 13:02

Pete Conway said:
It was on my mind while I was making the post, but curtailed the thought because it might be asking too much.

The winner at the end of the year could get a free sub

I love such little games on website so....
let me see haha

2024 Formula One Mexican Grand Prix

WHO ARE YOU SUPPORTING THIS WEEKEND?

Max Verstappen

Sergio Perez

Lando Norris

Oscar Piastri

Charles Leclerc

Carlos Sainz

Lewis Hamilton

George Russell

Nico Hulkenberg

Kevin Magnussen

Yuki Tsunoda

Liam Lawson

Fernando Alonso

Lance Stroll

Alex Albon

Franco Colapinto

Pierre Gasly

Esteban Ocon

Valtteri Bottas

Guanyu Zhou

Sainz hails ‘almost perfect’ performance in qualifying​

Hamilton's patience wearing thin with Mercedes's qualifying performances​

Piastri makes a shock Q1 exit​

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