2024 Formula One Brazilian Grand Prix

RichardHessels · Sunday at 20:34

That was a Maxterclass in optima forma.
This race will go down as one of the epic moments of the sports.
From 17th to 1st.
Even pulling a 20 second gap in the last half of the race.

Leclerc asking: should we go for the fastest lap and what is that laptime.
Pitwall: Leave it, you don't want to know.

RichardHessels · Sunday at 20:35

zzjorzz said:
The race was a MAXterclass

Funny we both typed this at the same time.

WALEAD1999 · Sunday at 21:04

what a race obrigado brazil and funny the Legend Stroll made a crash before ever start and we saw finally black flag in f1 for the first time since montreal 2007 max verstappen is the new shumacher senna master in rain and the alpine from tractors to speedboats wawo obrigado brazil again this is why i love this track so much after montreal (my personnal fav) , Monza , bahrain

Jack Vos · Sunday at 23:11

https://twitter.com/x/status/1853159628072255494

Durge Driven · Sunday at 23:40

Sky, hire James Hinchcliffe, speaks clearly, not unpleasant voice, no flowery bias nonsense, no doing Stewards job for them.

Durge Driven · Sunday at 23:56

muzikant said:
Let's see if Norris gets a penalty for his start? I don't think so

Well if he doesn't it's rigged.
Sad F1 Sad Sky.
Get out while you ahead Max.

muzikant · 2024-11-04T00:08:42+0000

Norris won't get any punishment, which I already thought. And is also not punished after he went off the track and dangerously returned back on the track with his fight with George Russel. That's all fine, I just don't like all those penalties. But the credibility of these fat FIA people and ex drivers is quite shocking with the favoritism of certain people. Sad

WALEAD1999 · 2024-11-04T00:14:29+0000

Jack Vos said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1853159628072255494

this is fact man super max and speed boats drivers

Pete Conway · 2024-11-04T00:39:17+0000

Well, it appears that it's OK for Mercedes to adjust tyre pressures on the grid in parc ferme conditions and gain an advantage (after all if there was no advantage it wouldn't have been done) and the race director only charged the $billion+ team $4ooo, per car, with no sporting penalty... Hulkenberg breaking the rules by getting a push from the marshals (because his car was in a dangerous place) gets disqualified with a Black Flag.
What will happen to Norris and co... well if things go accordingly they might have to do the washing up as punishment, on the other hand, could it just be explained away and forgotten?

Either way, I can say it now cos DD's probably seen the race...
Well done Max, DoD, and Fan'bloody'tastic drive

Durge Driven · 2024-11-04T01:33:25+0000

I would give Lando 5 grid spots
next race and all the other
noddies that followed him 10.

boxer · 2024-11-04T02:18:12+0000

and both Mercedes should have been DQ...The FIA needs to rule per written regulations and stop ruling with rubber bands.

Durge Driven · 2024-11-04T02:41:26+0000

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mercedes-fined-over-brazilian-gp-tyre-pressure-rule-breach/10670432/

A slap, 10 grand instead of DSQ ...okay.
*** see GiF above

Mercedes argued they are special

Wot tyre pressures ? We just cleaning the rims lol

Durge Driven · 2024-11-04T03:42:10+0000

Max needs to finish all 3 races no higher then 6th.
Wouldn't need a fastest lap and could sit the last Sprint out.
Oscar can give up all the places up he wants

davehenrie · 2024-11-04T05:47:24+0000

Scottt said:
So you close up all gaps, put cars out there on ice cold worn tires, bunched up for a restart? And what do you do about the damaged cars? Have them out there possibly without wings or dropping debris across the track? What could go wrong?

There are changes that can be made, but forcing cars out on the track without any changes isn’t a good move.

they stay in the pits and get repairs. If they were that damaged before the red flag, they shouldn't be out there. Giving free pitstops to the Alpines & Max nullifies everyone else's race. If they need new tires...then either stay and change them once the race goes green or cycle one lap back to the pits. Race Stopped is not a Freebie for anyone...leaders or straglers.

muzikant · 2024-11-04T07:48:22+0000

davehenrie said:
they stay in the pits and get repairs. If they were that damaged before the red flag, they shouldn't be out there. Giving free pitstops to the Alpines & Max nullifies everyone else's race. If they need new tires...then either stay and change them once the race goes green or cycle one lap back to the pits. Race Stopped is not a Freebie for anyone...leaders or straglers.

RB stayed out longer. But I think Max would have caught Russel and Norris anyway. He was so much faster every lap in the rain.

davehenrie · 2024-11-04T08:40:50+0000

Speaking of which...
Seems like Albon has had a raft of crashes and failures since Mick Schumacher was run out of town. How many crashes did Schu Jr have vs how many Albon has had since?

Slapped · 2024-11-04T09:10:56+0000

Oh boy, F1 threads are now my favourite.

OK as most everybody is calling for penalties for Norris, Hamilton and Russell, lets have a look.

1. Aborted start fiasco.
Ok, a bit of a dumb and dumber moment by Norris, and a mistake for sure, but no advantage was gained, and nobody's safety was put at risk. Also there is significant precedence of two or more formation laps in wet weather conditions. In essence a bit of balls up but ultimately no harm done.

Also to penalise Norris would mean to penalise the half of the grid which followed him therefore leading the race director to make the pragmatic decison for an additional formation lap, hence the minimal fine.

Doument 84 - Infringement - Car 4 - Aborted start incident

2. Unsafe rejoin by Norris
Somebody mentioned this, and I thought I'd take a look at the replays. Both times Norris rejoined at racing speed onto the track off the racing line and without impeding any other car. Nor was there any investigation or call for investigation on this. This is BS, there is nothing to see here, no wrongdoing at all.

3. Mercedes pressure changes under red flag conditions.
It is true that under an aborted start Parc Fermé conditions apply. However there are some exceptions and one of these is changing climatic conditions, which definitely applies here. This does however require permission from the race director.

The FIA have essentially admitted that due to limited time, difficult logistics, etc, after the aborted start that it would have been practically impossible for teams to have followed correct procedure, hence a minimal fine again.

I'm in two minds about this one, It may have been necessary due to the conditions and it could have been that permission would have been given should time have allowed. Honestly it didn't affect the outcome of the race anyway and it would appear that the race stewards took a decision to issue a fine in order to prevent this becoming a precedent.

Document 81 - Infringement - Car 44 - Tyre Pressure Checks - This is Hamiltions infringement. Russell's says the same thing.

So all in all on the face of it there's nothing really onerous at all about the above. Certainly nothing that would have altered the race outcome or presented any safety risks.

Yet it's the same people here calling for massive penalties this time who were the people who were vehemently against the penalties given out in the last race for what was attrocious and incredibly unsafe driving standards.

Sometimes I do wonder if you lot ever have enough neurons firing in unison at any given time to be able to just about scrape through a Turing test.

markg88 · 2024-11-04T10:21:11+0000

Slapped said:
Oh boy, F1 threads are now my favourite.

OK as most everybody is calling for penalties for Norris, Hamilton and Russell, lets have a look.

1. Aborted start fiasco.
Ok, a bit of a dumb and dumber moment by Norris, and a mistake for sure, but no advantage was gained, and nobody's safety was put at risk. Also there is significant precedence of two or more formation laps in wet weather conditions. In essence a bit of balls up but ultimately no harm done.

....................

I think it's more that people, including me, are cynical with how the 'authorities' dish out penalties or 'review' the offence, depending on who committed the offence. I honestly believe Red Bull adjusting tyre pressures on the grid as Mercedes did would have had a different punishment. Max winning the race in the way he did (and only he could) and increasing his Championship lead to a now comfortable buffer has enabled him and Red Bull protection from any cynical attempts to make the show 'go down to the wire' . Having said that, it would do Max well to refrain from any over aggressive driving, or losing his cool on track or interviews. He must not give anyone (looking at you mr herbert) any opportunity to dish out penalties.
No British press at the post race conference was very telling.

Pete Conway · 2024-11-04T11:03:15+0000

markg88 said:
I think it's more that people, including me, are cynical with how the 'authorities' dish out penalties or 'review' the offence, depending on who committed the offence. I honestly believe Red Bull adjusting tyre pressures on the grid as Mercedes did would have had a different punishment. Max winning the race in the way he did (and only he could) and increasing his Championship lead to a now comfortable buffer has enabled him and Red Bull protection from any cynical attempts to make the show 'go down to the wire' . Having said that, it would do Max well to refrain from any over aggressive driving, or losing his cool on track or interviews. He must not give anyone (looking at you mr herbert) any opportunity to dish out penalties.
No British press at the post race conference was very telling.

I agree, and while @Slapped is waving away judgement concerns under the 'no harm done' banner, there's been plenty of 'no harm done' occurences for Red Bull drivers that have been whacked with time on the naughty step.
I see it as unbalanced and biased towards teams other than Red Bull for the sake of excitement, as for Crofty the Clown and co, they're an embarrassment to the UK, many of us are 'Motor racing' supporters and not led by the nose into patriotism.

muzikant · 2024-11-04T11:34:19+0000

I used to really like Johnny Herbert. The man used to be a great talent and had a terrible accident at Brands Hatch. Why does he need this? If not this year? There will automatically be another British driver who will become a world champion.

Session	Date	Time (UTC)
Free practice 1	Friday 1 November	13:30 - 14:30
Sprint qualifying	Friday 1 November	17:30 - 18:14
Sprint race	Saturday 2 November	13:00 - 14:00
Qualification	Saturday 2 November	17:00 - 18:00
Race	Sunday 3 November	16:00

2024 Formula One Brazilian Grand Prix

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