Cars [WIP] Caterham

Gevatter · Apr 8, 2017

ALB123 said:
On a separate note, I know this isn't really what this thread is for, but would anyone mind explaining to me what a DeDion suspension is? Sorry, I'm not really a "car guy". I lust after cars, but you don't want me changing your oil. I can promise you.

Your Google-Fu is weak, old man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Dion_tube

JackCY · Apr 8, 2017

ALB123 said:
@JackCY - I'm not debating the validity of anything in your post, but I was just watching on your youtube channel and read about the things you wrote. Basically, you're saying everything is working opposite of how it should. Why do no other cars I drive do this crazy behavior? I have probably 700-800 different AC cars and I've never experienced this myself. Do you have any ideas why?

On a separate note, I know this isn't really what this thread is for, but would anyone mind explaining to me what a DeDion suspension is? Sorry, I'm not really a "car guy". I lust after cars, but you don't want me changing your oil. I can promise you.

It depends how big the difference in suspension arm end heights is when it is very low like Kunos uses then the bad effects are minimal. The Alfa GTA doesn't squat, it's the only Kunos car I know of right now that has this issue the most noticeable. By reversing the arm end heights you can change it from excessive squat to lift and vice versa.

DeDion = live axle with lower unsprung weight, it has adjustable camber and toe via a "plate", it has half axles with universal joint just like DWB.

http://website.lineone.net/~dmch2/suspension.htm

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Please help push a fix for this mess so that all cars stock or mods can enjoy proper working realistic physics suspensions.

RayDarcy · Apr 8, 2017

There's already a Caterham that works fine. It doesn't have animated bits that no one can see, but drives fine.

JackCY · Apr 8, 2017

You mean the broken Academy or mods of it? I've seen most of these and they are miles from accurate

Are there some newer that work well? Link.
The Academy wasn't even a Caterham physics wise.

JackCY · Apr 8, 2017

I've checked the seats on the 1700 model, you can see it clearly, the driver is sitting more forward that's why the animations that have RHD and LHD versions have the seats moving.

Working around the countless AC bugs is really annoying, hope they fix the mess.

ALB123 · Apr 9, 2017

Gevatter said:
Your Google-Fu is weak, old man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Dion_tube

The very first thing I did was go to the Wikipedia entry. I was still a bit confused after reading so I was hoping for an easier to understand layman's explanation. Someone did PM me -- I shouldn't have asked that here anyhow. Thanks for the response though. I appreciate it.

This mod car looks so beautiful.... Wow.

RayDarcy · Apr 9, 2017

JackCY said:
You mean the broken Academy or mods of it? I've seen most of these and they are miles from accurate Are there some newer that work well? Link.
The Academy wasn't even a Caterham physics wise.

Who cares, it's a Caterham. It will be interesting for a few minutes, but ultimately too slow and boring. No doubt it will be a perfect virtual replica, but you'd be quicker building an actual Caterham.

garyjpaterson · Apr 9, 2017

RayDarcy said:
Who cares, it's a Caterham. It will be interesting for a few minutes, but ultimately too slow and boring. No doubt it will be a perfect virtual replica, but you'd be quicker building an actual Caterham.

I've driven it and can confirm its not boring.

Of course, naturally peoples opinions differ, but that seems an abstract concept to you.

So to answer your first question, I think many people care.

RayDarcy · Apr 9, 2017

Nah, they won't. No matter how well done it is, it is still a Caterham. And no one in sim racing wants to drive a Caterham. At least not for more than 10 minutes. The only thing more boring than a Caterham would be some kind of suburban hatchback or industrial van.

These are novelty cars, and the novelty wears off really quickly.

garyjpaterson · Apr 9, 2017

Again, your speaking for yourself. You need to understand not everyone has the same opinion as you...

Ben O'Bro · Apr 9, 2017

RayDarcy said:
The only thing more boring than a Caterham would be some kind of suburban hatchback or industrial van.

@garyjpaterson i think it's a personnal attack towards the mighty Transit XD

Joke aside, don't we have policy here against trolls ?

garyjpaterson · Apr 9, 2017

Not sure he's particularly keen on the Focus either

But again, thankfully not everyone is forced to think in the same way

RayDarcy · Apr 9, 2017

What other opinion would I voice, only my own? If you don't like it, tough. I think these cars are novelty cars and are worthless.

To make an analogy to music, you can make a great album or a novelty one-hit wonder. I know which one has more worth.

Fat-Alfie · Apr 9, 2017

Guys, just do as we have been advised, and J.C.R. (just click report)

garyjpaterson · Apr 9, 2017

RayDarcy said:
What other opinion would I voice, only my own? If you don't like it, tough. I think these cars are novelty cars and are worthless.

If that were the case there would be no problem. But that's just it, you weren't only voicing your opinion, you were speaking for everyone.

garyjpaterson said:
...I think many people care.

RayDarcy said:
Nah, they won't. No matter how well done it is... And no one in sim racing wants to drive a Caterham...

See? Like I said, let everyone else form their own thoughts, and no one will bother you with yours.

RayDarcy · Apr 9, 2017

Ben O'Bro said:
Joke aside, don't we have policy here against trolls ?

It's 9 months since you started this Caterham thread. 9 months of constant "updates". That's trolling.

RayDarcy · Apr 9, 2017

garyjpaterson said:
If that were the case there would be no problem. But that's just it, you weren't only voicing your opinion, you were speaking for everyone.

See? Like I said, let everyone else form their own thoughts, and no one will bother you with yours.

Truth hurts.

garyjpaterson · Apr 9, 2017

You could have said something along the lines of "Nice model, but personally I'm not a fan of slower cars so I'll give this one a miss". Nope, just crashed right in claiming there is no sim racers on earth who find enjoyment in Caterhams.

Jump onto the AC forums and see how many people are asking for Caterham to be included in the upcoming British Pack (or asking for this specific mod to become official content), and you'll soon see people are capable of thoughts that differ from your own.

Mr.Mugel · Apr 9, 2017

Yeah, and why do you think there are a lot of guys following this thread, replying to it, etc. ? That doesn´t sound like no one in sim racing is interested in this one at all.

One of my most anticipated car mods for sure. Might not drive it every day, but that´s the case for a lot of cars. Taking this one out on Nords will be awesome, and I guess it would be awesome to explore new tracks or do a kind of trackday. Add to that the hillclimb tracks we have and I think I´ll drive this a lot.

RayDarcy · Apr 9, 2017

garyjpaterson said:
You could have said something along the lines of "Nice model, but personally I'm not a fan of slower cars so I'll give this one a miss". Nope, just crashed right in claiming there is no sim racers on earth who find enjoyment in Caterhams..

Yes, you are right, I am sorry. I should have spoke for myself only.