Windows 11 Upgrade?

Have you upgraded your PC to Windows 11?

  • Yes

    Votes: 57 41.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 58.4%

  • Total voters
    137
Gates stepped down as the company's CEO in 2000, and left his full-time role at Microsoft in 2008.
So keep blaming him 20 years later.
What alternative do you have for gaming platform, Playstation?
That's just the problem. MS has become a nearly complete monopoly when it comes to OS worldwide. They have no viable competition, thus a captive market. They do not need to pay attention to what the customer wants, they can churn out whatever bloated, inefficient, intrusive software they wish, at whatever inflated price, with whatever draconian TOS and licensing they wish ... because there is no competition.

How did they get there? Because early on, when there were alternative OS, all those alternatives needed to run on DOS, so they approached MS for licensing. And Bill Gates told them he would gladly, and economically, license DOS to them .... on the condition they install windows on any system on which they installed DOS. So, since it was enough trouble to teach the common folk to use computers back then, it was futile to try to teach them a different OS, especially on the same computer, thus the only market was selling them separately to the few who recognized their superiority to windows; a very small market. Then when none of those alternatives could get a foothold in the market, MS bought them out.

Is there any other product you purchase, from a hamburger to a pair of pants to a refrigerator to a new car, for which you have no options?

So, yes, I blame Bill Gates. He was in charge when MS actively stifled all competition. He was in charge when MS bought its way out of anti-trust lawsuits filed by the FTC. (Remember the fake newspaper headlines circulating the internet back then - "Microsoft Purchases US Government, All Lawsuits Dropped!"). He became the world's wealthiest man, at the time, by foisting on the public the world's shoddiest OS after removing any competition which may have forced him to create something better.
 
There's lots to blame Bill Gates on regarding Microsoft but there are also worse things to blame, or partially blame, him on during the past decade or 2.
I finally updated my gaming computer to Win 11.
Looks a little different, otherwise other than having to turn off V-sync in the graphics settings which was flipped on during the update, everything seems to run the same as before.

It is running with Gaming mode on and has the latest GPU driver. My CPU is currently running in "gaming mode" which means the 13900K's eco cores are turned off.
Are you saying you can completely shut off Intel e-cores with a click of a button in Windows rather than having to go into the BIOS? If so, that's pretty cool.
 
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There's lots to blame Bill Gates on regarding Microsoft but there are also worse things to blame, or partially blame, him on during the past decade or 2.

Are you saying you can completely shut off Intel e-cores with a click of a button in Windows rather than having to go into the BIOS? If so, that's pretty cool.
There is a game mode at the bios level and another game mode at the OS level.

The OS level game make makes it so that update downloads and other things don't happen while you are playing a game.
 
There is a game mode at the bios level and another game mode at the OS level.

The OS level game make makes it so that update downloads and other things don't happen while you are playing a game.
Ahhh, yes, I'm well-aware of Win gaming mode (pretty old). I misunderstood your post, I didn't realize you were referring to two different "gaming modes" (Win & BIOS).

I think I might work on an e-core-enabled tune for my 12900KS. I'm starting to mess around with some programs which take advantage of pretty much as many cores as you have and it would be nice to use all cores if it considerably speeds up the programs. All you need to do is save the BIOS profile. By the time you restart the PC, go into BIOS, load BIOS profile, boot to Windows, it's only a few clicks and like 1 minute.
 
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According to the Bios help text, turning off the ecores allows it to run a higher cpu clock. I think that's related to the shared cache memory.

The 13900 has a level 2 cache over twice as large as the 12900 and a slightly larger l3 cache. The result is that it is less dependent on the MB DRAM speed.
 
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Where to I wonder?
For some, to retirement. For others, to other enterprises.
One career path is launching some new software tech, then getting acquired..
"The Peter Principle"
Actually, often the "Dilbert principle".
Rather than jump thru hoops with HR to fire them,
it is easier to brag up "nice guys" to middle management in other areas.
How did they get there?
Gates got his foot in the door by offering IBM something they wanted that he did not have,
but then delivering something cheaper than alternatives.
Seattle's QDOS was a good fit for Intel's 8088 and quickly became popular even within IBM,
but key to long term M$ success was learned from IBM's mainframe dominance,
namely backward compatibility. Motivated folks can still run GW-Basic on Windows 10.
 
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I also upgraded to Win11 last weekend. I decided to go with a new install and then move all the needed apps and settings there which took quite a while, but the benefit is a clean system to start with. Seems to be quite OK, I guess they ironed most of the bad stuff after a year and some. The only thing I'm actually missing is the ability to move a single taskbar on a secondary monitor. It's either show it on the main display or show on all displays, but the latter option doesn't how tray icons on a secondary screen. Why they had to remove this functionality is beyond me, I hope they're gonna bring it back some time soon, I really need it
 
For some, to retirement. For others, to other enterprises.
One career path is launching some new software tech, then getting acquired..

Actually, often the "Dilbert principle".
Rather than jump thru hoops with HR to fire them,
it is easier to brag up "nice guys" to middle management in other areas.

Gates got his foot in the door by offering IBM something they wanted that he did not have,
but then delivering something cheaper than alternatives.
Seattle's QDOS was a good fit for Intel's 8088 and quickly became popular even within IBM,
but key to long term M$ success was learned from IBM's mainframe dominance,
namely backward compatibility. Motivated folks can still run GW-Basic on Windows 10.
Predates Dilbert a bit-

"backwards compatibility"
??
Lol, how much XP programming did not function properly even in Vista, much less later windows? "16bit can't run in 64bit system", of course it could, MS just chose not to implement it. If there were true "compatibility" you could load an old DOS game in W11 and run it with no issues. True compatibility would mean W11 does not dictate on what mobos it may or may not be installed.
 
.... Why they had to remove this functionality is beyond me, I hope they're gonna bring it back some time soon, I really need it
I wouldn't hold my breath. I've been waiting since the advent of Vista for MS to restore the simple ability to sort files by type rather than association, and using a third party Explorer replacement in the meantime.
 
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I wouldn't hold my breath. I've been waiting since the advent of Vista for MS to restore the simple ability to sort files by type rather than association, and using a third party Explorer replacement in the meantime.
Hmm.
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Sorting by type from Vista on for me, lists the files by association. I do a lot of graphics work and have folders with thousands of files, a combination of bmp, jpg, tga, png, etc.; in XP "sort by type" listed them with all bmp together, all jpg together, etc., making it easy to grab all of one type. In Vista and win7 "sort by type" is the same as "sort by name" because windows uses type=association so all these files are "PSP image files", thus just get listed alphabetically.
 
Predates Dilbert a bit-

"backwards compatibility"
??
Lol, how much XP programming did not function properly even in Vista, much less later windows? "16bit can't run in 64bit system", of course it could, MS just chose not to implement it. If there were true "compatibility" you could load an old DOS game in W11 and run it with no issues. True compatibility would mean W11 does not dictate on what mobos it may or may not be installed.
If you really need some ancient 16-bit app you can either use an old PC runinng XP or even 98, or run it in a VM. Frankly, I'm surprised for how long Microsoft supported that crap.
 
Sorry but I don't buy that the monopoly was a bad thing in the long run.

Please explain the advantage if we all used 10 different Operating Systems for gaming ?

Only thing comes to mind is sheer chaos. :coffee:
 
Sorry but I don't buy that the monopoly was a bad thing in the long run.

Please explain the advantage if we all used 10 different Operating Systems for gaming ?

Only thing comes to mind is sheer chaos. :coffee:
When any company has no competition they have no incentive to improve their product or lower their prices.

I'm not saying ten different OS per se, but ten different developers producing OS to a common standard. Where would the automotive industry be if one company had locked down all the patents and became the only manufacturer? So we have numerous auto manufacturers but all use the same fuel, oil, tires, spark plugs, etc., and run on the same roads. Where would the VCR market have gone if Sony had not licensed the technology to other manufacturers, so we had numerous different VCRs but all recorded from the same sources, played on the same TVs. and used the same tapes. We should have MS Windows or HP Windows or IBM Windows or Joe's Windows, with such competition we would get better products and lower prices.
 
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Sorting by type from Vista on for me, lists the files by association. I do a lot of graphics work and have folders with thousands of files, a combination of bmp, jpg, tga, png, etc.; in XP "sort by type" listed them with all bmp together, all jpg together, etc., making it easy to grab all of one type. In Vista and win7 "sort by type" is the same as "sort by name" because windows uses type=association so all these files are "PSP image files", thus just get listed alphabetically.
You sure you didn't hide file extensions, sorts just fine by types here.
 
Predates Dilbert a bit
Peter supposes individuals with some competence before promotion.
For Dilbert, incompetence provokes promotion (elsewhere).
As a wise man said, "three things rise: cream, scum and hot air".

For this long time macOS, Linux (and other POSIX) user,
M$ has done much better in the backward compatibility arena.
 
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