Windows 11 Upgrade?
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Win 10 (and probably 7 already) favor cores with higher clockspeeds and since the e cores clock significantly lower, win 10 doesn't put foreground stuff onto them no matter whether it knows about it being an E core or not.
You can see this if you run something like cinebench r15 at 3 threads and then switch the OC profile and the windows power plan.
Leaving everything at stock, the cores will all boost to a different maximum and the 3 threads will be put on these, while not really using the HT threads. So the scheduler knows that putting load on 2 threads of the same core will be worse.
Then it will park all the other cores so you'll see high loads on threads 0/2/4, while threads 6-11 will be parked.
However if you change the power plan to disable core parking (you can enable that setting being visible in regedit) and set the lower cpu limit to 100% - and then enable "mce", "multicore enhancement", which locks all cores to the same boost clock:
All cores will be used more or less evenly!
I guess win 10 would only run into real trouble if the E cores wouldn't clock lower!
And I guess it can have issues if you're running stock settings with default power plan and then have a situation where some E cores are at their top speed, while some P cores are throttled to the lowest idle speed or parked.
In any case you can simply use a little batch file like I do, which switches the power plan, keeps the cmd window open until you press a key and then switches the power plan back while closing itself.
This should prevent games to have frame time spikes due to scheduling issues!
The power consumption during office tasks and browsing is quite a lot lower but it barely makes a difference when gaming.
High performance and balanced.
Balanced has 0% min cpu, 100% max cpu and 100% parking allowed.
High performance has 100% min cpu and 0% parking allowed.
One thing though:
To actually make this working well, you need to allow all cores to boost at the same time.
You have, for example, these 1-active = 4.9 GHz to 6-active = 4.4 GHz as defaults.
In this case the high performance plan might lead to all cores becoming "active" and lowering your fps...
In this case it's better to use balanced to have 2-3 cores boosting higher and Windows keeping the loads on them.
My bios settings have set max boost for every core to 4.9 GHz and 1 core active to 6 core active too.
However, I disabled MCE to allow all cores to throttle happily and chaotically in the balanced profile
I spent a lot of time to play around and monitor all this due to microstutters in low-load games with my old 2600k.
In the end some cores throttled down for short moments every now and then, when windows thought the performance wouldn't be needed.
Power plan stuff didn't really work with the old cpu though so it was bios settings testing for multiple hours...
Had to use hwinfo64 on lowest tick rate and all core clocks drawn as big graphs to spot the dips.
So when I upgraded, I compared all the available bios settings and monitored the cores again.
As RCHeliGuy stated, the vast majority of users have no performance loss in Windows 10 with Intel's big-little core architecture. Having said that, you do see some reports from people, forums, etc. here and there where there may be some odd issues here or there of Windows assigning the wrong cores in certain programs. Having said that, I've even read of reports of those same issues in some instances using Windows 11.
Me, personally, I have my e-cores disabled anyway. It not only allows me to overclock my CPU more but also gives the p-cores more cache (since the e-cores steal some of the cache when they're enabled). Thanks to the AMD 5800X3D, we all know how much L3 (and even L2) cache can make a difference in a lot of games. As a bonus, I don't have to worry/OCD over the wrong cores ever being used, lol.
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Options to optimize gaming performance in Windows 11 - Microsoft Support
Directions for turning off memory integrity and the Virtual Machine Platform to improve gaming performance, and the risks of doing so.
prod.support.services.microsoft.com
Ohhh, didn't know that!
Yup. On top of freeing up more cache and being able to OC the CPU more, I also forgot to mention that disabling the e-cores also allows you to overclock the cache (AKA uncore or ring) way more.
With e-cores enabled, most chips won't be able to get the cache passed 4.2 GHz, maybe 4.3 GHz. With e-cores disabled, most chips should be able to get 5.0 GHz on the cache, maybe 5.1 (4.9 is just about guaranteed).
So, higher CPU clockspeed + more L3 cache + faster cache clockspeed + never worry about e-cores being used by mistake. You can make arguments for keeping the e-cores enabled, don't get me wrong, they both have their positives.
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I'm pretty anti upgrade anyway, if it ain't broke and all that, but I recently bought a PC from my mate with win10 pro and can run very few of my desired software programs on it.
I had win 10 with a i5 and 1050 and bought a i7 with 1070, figured it would allow me to run all my driving stuff.. nope, the old and new logitec software will not recognise my G29.
so I play all that on the old PC and Minecraft on the new one... what a waste of wedge.
Seriously, the Yank from win 7 to 10 so much trouble with all of the intrusive sub programs to navigate (it nearly went out the window many times)
So will I update to Win 11, you are f****** joking
I had win 10 with a i5 and 1050 and bought a i7 with 1070, figured it would allow me to run all my driving stuff.. nope, the old and new logitec software will not recognise my G29.
so I play all that on the old PC and Minecraft on the new one... what a waste of wedge.
Seriously, the Yank from win 7 to 10 so much trouble with all of the intrusive sub programs to navigate (it nearly went out the window many times)
So will I update to Win 11, you are f****** joking
Yeah I really dislike that there aren't backwards compatible drivers for newer hardware.
I mean it's okay to force win10 for programs that can run better on it.
But please give us drivers for dual boot with win7 for old stuff...
What have you got against Yankees?
Seriously though, while I hate upgrades (only upgraded from Win 7 when it became too painful not to), I have a Win10 Pro machine running a G27 happily, so I am puzzled to hear that you're hitting issues with the G29. I have to have the old software installed for it though (plus a newer Logitech blob installed for a gaming mouse, sigh).
Same here, on both counts.
I briefly tried G Hub for G29 a couple of years ago; no joy.
Continuing to read of incompatibilities between Windows 11 and Mixed Reality,
which may never be addressed given M$ now collaborating with Meta for VR.
Hi guys, I have my older PC i5 (win10 home)with a logitech program installed... for many years, in fact I believe it's actual download that ran the old win 7 version of my stuff.
however when swapping the HD contents to the new i7(win10 pro) the software would not recognise the G29, I downloaded the latest software* and had the same result, I then downloaded the hub* (which has bad ratings) and that won't recognise the G29 either.
So I'm back on my old i5 for race sims and games because at least it ruddywell works.
Funny thing I found was when I spoke (typed) "I have a problem with my G29 not being detected by the software" to a help chat bot at logitech it said.... "I will not talk about that"
* fully uninstalled all traces of the old files before installing the new ones
however when swapping the HD contents to the new i7(win10 pro) the software would not recognise the G29, I downloaded the latest software* and had the same result, I then downloaded the hub* (which has bad ratings) and that won't recognise the G29 either.
So I'm back on my old i5 for race sims and games because at least it ruddywell works.
Funny thing I found was when I spoke (typed) "I have a problem with my G29 not being detected by the software" to a help chat bot at logitech it said.... "I will not talk about that"
* fully uninstalled all traces of the old files before installing the new ones
Instead of G Hub, have you tried the other "Logitech Gaming Software"? I have an older Logitech wheel that ran with it (in Windows 10). It might be enough to get things functional on the G29.
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Wow, not such a helpful chat bot then
I can't recall exactly what I had to download but the version I'm running for my G27 appears to be 5.10 from 2010 (Logitech Gaming Software). The G29 likely needs a newer version.
The last time I hit issues with the G27 software (maybe when I upgraded the OS to Win10?), I dimly recall finding advice on how to install it with a bit of online searching, having done the obvious thing and installed the latest drivers - which should of course have just worked(!).
The version that worked for me on Windows 10 Home is LGS_9.00.42_x64_Logitech.exe
You may need to first manually uninstall the current driver in order for Windows to allow LGS to replace it, because the G Hub driver is probably considered more up-to-date.
The current LGS version advertises:
"Updated drivers for Windows 10 and 11 code integrity(HVCI) compatibility
Security fixes"
Because malware developers have learned to exploit drivers for kernel space access from user space, this version should be tried first.
You may need to first manually uninstall the current driver in order for Windows to allow LGS to replace it, because the G Hub driver is probably considered more up-to-date.
The current LGS version advertises:
"Updated drivers for Windows 10 and 11 code integrity(HVCI) compatibility
Security fixes"
Because malware developers have learned to exploit drivers for kernel space access from user space, this version should be tried first.
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The current version of LGS is 9.04.49. Under Windows 10 and showing all downloads, I can see previous mentions of G29 support. I see no reason why the current version would be any different.
The last one I tried was 9.04.28 X64 and that didn't work, but human life is not long and I don't wish to spend the little I have left chasing software for corporate ducking and diving.
However, I seem to have inadvertently hijacked the Win 11 thread... sorry @FriendOfJah
I don't understand what you said here. Is your older i5 PC that every thing worked on running WIn 10 Home or Win 7?
What do you mean you "swapped the HD contents to the new i7 Win 10 Pro" PC? You can't just have 2 seperate computers, and copy and paste the files of a program from one PC to another. You have to actually install the program. For example. You can't just get all the folders and files of a game you installed on a PC and copy & paste those files and folders on another PC and expect the game to work. You have to actually install the program using it's install program.
Thousands and thousands of people around the world have been using Logitech wheels, shifters, pedals, etc. on Windows 10 PCs for the last 10 or so years (whenever Win 10 came out). It should work just fine.
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