Tracks Twin Ring Motegi [WIP]

Mitja Bonca · Sep 16, 2018

I dont need any help, I only need some decent data, which I will clearly not get

Albert McSaltens · Sep 19, 2018

Mitja Bonca said:
I dont need any help, I only need some decent data, which I will clearly not get

what about suzuka? that really would be a dream track in ac

Andreas Knöpke · Sep 19, 2018

javiliyors · Oct 8, 2018

Incredible work, when is ready for download? Thanks!!!

ETandK · Oct 21, 2018

Good luck with this project Mitja, I am still having fun with Okayama and this is going to be special I just know. Just watched the MotoGP today and this track will be a great addition to AC. Take care, Etienne

Leonardo Ratafiá · Oct 21, 2018

There's a Japanese guy also doing it (slowly) so either way we'll get it sooner or later

Mitja Bonca · Oct 24, 2018

The project is on hold, since I have 2 others, private ones. I would continue to work, but I just lack too many data. I tried with some contacts to get it from Honda, or to let someone on track to do the job, but they just seem to be too conservative and not open minded.

F_B · Oct 24, 2018

Would taking a closer look at the Iracing version help much? Or is it too unprecise and not effective?

magzire86 · Oct 26, 2018

Albert McSaltens said:
what about suzuka? that really would be a dream track in ac

It already exist, it's a codemasters convert and its very good

Albert McSaltens · Oct 26, 2018

magzire86 said:
It already exist, it's a codemasters convert and its very good

and it's not a proper representation of suzuka, plus it's ilegal

Mascot · Oct 27, 2018

Albert McSaltens said:
and it's not a proper representation of suzuka, plus it's ilegal

Illegal? Is somebody selling it?

Albert McSaltens · Oct 27, 2018

Mascot said:
Illegal? Is somebody selling it?

converting another game's content to another game isn't legal

magzire86 · Oct 27, 2018

Albert McSaltens said:
and it's not a proper representation of suzuka, plus it's ilegal

Well I had a epic hybrid f1 league race there few weeks back and was epic. easily my top 3 tracks in AC, its your lost I guess

Mascot · Oct 27, 2018

Albert McSaltens said:
converting another game's content to another game isen't legal

This has been a fundamental part of modding sims since simming began. I'd better turn myself in to the local plod then.
I thought legalities only came to the surface if the content was sold for profit?

Ghoults · Oct 27, 2018

You are taking a paid product and sharing it for free for use in another game.

Ryno917 · Oct 27, 2018

Mascot said:
This has been a fundamental part of modding sims since simming began. I'd better turn myself in to the local plod then.
I thought legalities only came to the surface if the content was sold for profit?

Taking something from one title and putting it in another without permission is illegal.
Selling something you've taken from one game and put into another is illegal.
Selling a recreation of a real world car or track, whether it has the real logo or not, is illegal.
Creating a real world car or track from scratch for a game and distributing it for free is illegal.

Various sim racing communities have put their own dividing line where they choose to for as long as modding has been a thing. Note that while all of the above are illegal, it's the rights holders' responsibility to initiate legal action. Each rights holder has their own dividing line position as well.

Ghoults · Oct 28, 2018

Ryno917 said:
Creating a real world car or track from scratch for a game and distributing it for free is illegal.

With this logic making a ferrari painting or porsche photo is also illegal. Or making a game video with ferraris and porsches in it and then sharing in youtube while monetizing. It is not that simple. If you read that like you wrote it then turbosquid model store is illegal.

Making and sharing car or track models is not illegal for crying out aloud...

Leonardo Ratafiá · Oct 28, 2018

to get back to the track (at least even if not from the OP)

Ryno917 · Oct 28, 2018

Ghoults said:
With this logic making a ferrari painting or porsche photo is also illegal. Or making a game video with ferraris and porsches in it and then sharing in youtube while monetizing. It is not that simple. If you read that like you wrote it then turbosquid model store is illegal.

Making and sharing car or track models is not illegal for crying out aloud...

Yes, making mods of real cars is illegal. You do not own the IP involved, therefore you can not use it legally without obtaining permission from the IP owner. That is very basic copyright law.

And yes, selling recreations of real things on the Turbosquid model store is also illegal. Just because something has been allowed to continue does not make it legal, it just means no one has cared enough to stop it. That's not the same thing.

Photography is different; as long as the item being photographed is viewable by other members of the public you can take a photograph and sell it. You're not selling the item in the photo, you're selling the photo itself which is covered, by law, under creative interpretation and the subject matter is in the public domain (note that being hired to take photos of something, unless otherwise stated in the contract, means the photos are the property of the one who hired you, so you can not display those photos without permission). 3D models of real things are not covered the same way because they are designed deliberately to be recreations. Art is a bit of a grey area. Some professional artists obtain licenses for their work, some don't. A good lawyer can argue the case either way.

You don't have to believe me, but that doesn't change the facts. Personally I don't really care if you do or don't. I have to know it, it's part of my job. I have to know where my rights begin and end; both as an IP holder and as someone who needs to use others' IP.

For the record - Copyright law, like many other areas of law, often doesn't really make sense. That, again, doesn't make something legal or illegal. Just because you think it's stupid or illogical doesn't change what is and isn't illegal.

Ghoults · Oct 28, 2018

Ryno917 said:
Yes, making mods of real cars is illegal. You do not own the IP involved, therefore you can not use it legally without obtaining permission from the IP owner. That is very basic copyright law.

Making a model is different from using the logo or brand of the car.

Ryno917 said:
And yes, selling recreations of real things on the Turbosquid model store is also illegal. Just because something has been allowed to continue does not make it legal, it just means no one has cared enough to stop it. That's not the same thing.

Sure... it is just an industry standard. The car manufacturers even themselves buy models from there...

Ryno917 said:
Photography is different; as long as the item being photographed is viewable by other members of the public you can take a photograph and sell it. You're not selling the item in the photo, you're selling the photo itself which is covered, by law, under creative interpretation and the subject matter is in the public domain (note that being hired to take photos of something, unless otherwise stated in the contract, means the photos are the property of the one who hired you, so you can not display those photos without permission).

Public places are not always free in the way you describe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_Tower#Illumination_copyright
As for your photo example. As long as you have a contract you can make any kind of contract you want. Whatever that has to do with anything at all. Your point is that different kinds of contracts exist...?

Ryno917 said:
I have to know it, it's part of my job.

Good luck...

Ryno917 said:
For the record - Copyright law, like many other areas of law, often doesn't really make sense. That, again, doesn't make something legal or illegal. Just because you think it's stupid or illogical doesn't change what is and isn't illegal.

It is a whole lot more than just copyright law. But what you are suggesting is that whole gaming industry is based on illegal work is just ridiculous statement. If we go by what you said making models of cars is illegal. Companies buy these models all the time. Nobody has even been sued for it. Some of these models are made to completion before bought. Some are made to order. All sims buy these models. Assetto corsa, rfactor2, project cars... Everybody buys models. Forza... (list of all racing games essentially goes here). If that is illegal then everybody are braking the law. Or are you saying because the game company has the rights to use the brand and logo and the car then the original crime of modelling a car becomes legal? Like if you steal a car and sell it and the guy buying it has driver's license it makes it ok? You can argue all you want but making and buying models is perfectly legal period. Where it becomes illegal if you use the brands, logos and so forth. But even then it is not black and white because not one single legal case exists to support your ideas.

But sure. We are all criminals here.

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Sorry for polluting this thread with this. I'll stop now.

edit:
Cease and desist letters are not lawsuits. You can send them to anyone you want for anything you want. Please even do a basic google search before you post this total nonsense... Cease and desist order on the other hand... Google this stuff... Here's one: https://legalvision.com.au/cease-and-desist-order/