I don't understand why they won't let bottas overtake hamilton.. its only halway through the season, everything is possible. I know bottas isn't even 3rd in the championship but except his crash in australia, i don't remember him making any mistakes this season, he has been very unlucky (baku) and the only chances he has to take victory, the team tells him to stay 2nd... Bottas deserves more wins imo.
Team Orders at Mercedes?
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Because they knew that Lewis wasn't going to let him pass easily, and that was dangerous.
Its not about driver X ou Y, hamilton could be slower, may be true but he certainly would not allow an overtaking without risks of Bottas, seeing from this side the mercedes took the safe route for her after both pilots scored and she took the lead, is a very different situation for example of Austria between Barrichello and Schumacher where P1 and P2 were already guaranteed for the team and there was made an exchange benefiting a pilot and not the team since for the team the result was already guaranteed. I'm not saying that I agree with the order of the teams, whatever, but that I understand in the face of the situation that what counts for them is the constructors' championshipSure sure except when Micheal did it he was the devil and Lewis is a saint
while I'd prefer to see them race, I have no problem with team orders. A 1-2 finish and your lead driver takes max points over rival for WDC. That's a dream scenario that could have ended with a double DNF and Kimi taking victory if they wreck. Seems like a reasonable call to me.
What will gripe me is when Mercedes, McLaren, RBR, or any other team do team orders, it's considered okay but Ferrari always get scrutinized for it. Austria 2002 always seems to get brought up. If it's legal, then teams should implement team orders when needed, to try and win both WCC and WDC. It's a team sport.
What will gripe me is when Mercedes, McLaren, RBR, or any other team do team orders, it's considered okay but Ferrari always get scrutinized for it. Austria 2002 always seems to get brought up. If it's legal, then teams should implement team orders when needed, to try and win both WCC and WDC. It's a team sport.
Durge Driven
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No
When Schu did it people wanted him banned for life, when Lewis does it he is a hero
Look how many times Nico was dealt the same and Sky would go all quiet
Same with that pit in , if Micheal or Seb or Max had did what Lewis did they would have been penalized
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another thing is when have FiA ever used a team being truthful a reason to limit penalty ?
they have set a precedent using that as first excuse to be lenient with such
disregard for rules
So any team admits wrong doing or are confused over anything will be deemed as mitigating factors any time FiA feel like it. lol
they have set a precedent using that as first excuse to be lenient with such
disregard for rules
So any team admits wrong doing or are confused over anything will be deemed as mitigating factors any time FiA feel like it. lol
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Okay not a precedent
Both incidents maybe for a rookie okay but not 4 time champions
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I don't think second factor " it was not dangerous" is good policy either
Take a car going slow online it is deemed dangerous whether any other cars are around it or not
Yes if a car had to take evasive action or crashed for sure that warrants a heavier penalty but not a lighter one simply because at the time there was no cars around, no one has a crystal ball
3rd reason pace car is limp too, so anyone now cuts in or out of pit entry in a pace car situation ( which we all know could be advantageous) will ..........." Sorry our mistake, we were confused " lol
However ! having being reminded of and taking into account Baku incident I say it's even
Both incidents maybe for a rookie okay but not 4 time champions
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I don't think second factor " it was not dangerous" is good policy either
Take a car going slow online it is deemed dangerous whether any other cars are around it or not
Yes if a car had to take evasive action or crashed for sure that warrants a heavier penalty but not a lighter one simply because at the time there was no cars around, no one has a crystal ball
3rd reason pace car is limp too, so anyone now cuts in or out of pit entry in a pace car situation ( which we all know could be advantageous) will ..........." Sorry our mistake, we were confused " lol
However ! having being reminded of and taking into account Baku incident I say it's even
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For better or worse, I don't think Bottas minds playing the unspoken #2 role. He left a team that appears to be headed for extinction and landed with the fastest team on the grid. He is probably hoping he can stick it out until Hamilton departs and perhaps the stars will align and give him a crack at a championship. Given his circumstances, it's really not a bad scheme at all.
If Valteri had any chances to win the championship, i'm sure such an order would not follow. And then, if you are not the best, then move on.
The penalty you're referring to was at Baku and there was a rule in place that race because of where the pit entry is.
VRTSmith
Vermin Racing Team
I don't think they were as strict as Ferrari... Bottas got to attack Hamilton into the hairpin, which was a battle that he lost on that occasion. The team orders then followed after that battle. Ferrari didn't let Kimi even attempt to pick up the pace and got him to move out the way. I feel like Mercedes want to at least give their drivers a chance before they place in team orders...
First of all I want to make clear that I'm a fan of Ferrari, so my opinion is not neutral.
I see it this way: Vettel and Räikkönnen are on different strats with young/older tires. It makes sense for BOTH drivers, not to fight but just drive and manage tires.
In the end, Hamilton has 15-20 laps old tires and everybody else has new pneus. This would have been 99% a win for Bottas, if Mercedes didn't intervene. What could have been the most intense final 10 laps of the year became boring with one team order.
I see it this way: Vettel and Räikkönnen are on different strats with young/older tires. It makes sense for BOTH drivers, not to fight but just drive and manage tires.
In the end, Hamilton has 15-20 laps old tires and everybody else has new pneus. This would have been 99% a win for Bottas, if Mercedes didn't intervene. What could have been the most intense final 10 laps of the year became boring with one team order.
F1 is very much a team sport, Mercedes did the right thing. They ended up with a 1 2 finish but could of risked at worst a double DNF. Lets not forget that Lewis was also much faster. He broke the lap record several times during the last few laps. He was only at risk from Bottas initially as used tires take a little longer to warm up.
Kimi entered the pit lane (white lines) and exited before he entered the pits at Baku not Hockenheim. This was also under green flag conditions with the pit entrance close to the racing line. (cars doing over 190mph)
Lewis entered the pits under safety car and re-entered the track off the racing line and didn't create any danger for any other driver.
The FIA got this right for once.
Vettel 2010 Hungary. He did the same and recieved no penalty. End.
