SIMUCUBE Direct Drive Wheel With Electronics Integrated Into The Motor

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Beano started testing Pro version.
Some impressions on filters, software (man, does it look pretty now), and unit.
https://community.granitedevices.com/t/simucube-2-news-and-updates/2376/69

I thought Beano was doing all of his testing up to now with the Ultimate?

Regardless, this particular statement has left me feeling positive about the product:

"No jokes, there is now a massive divide between the SC2 and any other DD-wheel available. The gap is so big, there is no longer any thoughts it could be placebo"
 
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My question on this is whether the key to this massive difference is the software that allows you to dial back the self-centering force while cornering relative to the road detail. If this really does make a huge difference and I could see how it could, the next question is whether this is something that will be hard for their competitors to duplicate or not.
 
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I thought Beano was doing all of his testing up to now with the Ultimate?
May be, at least he has Pro in his hands now.
https://forum.virtualracing.org/sho...-pre-release?p=2467936&viewfull=1#post2467936
Hello NoTatgoi,
I will be able to do a short write-up when I get home from Finland. I am now at Helsinki airport waiting for outbound flight, will be home Saturday morning AEST.

In my luggage is a SC2 Pro servo, so then I can test and compare
 
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My question on this is whether the key to this massive difference is the software that allows you to dial back the self-centering force while cornering relative to the road detail. If this really does make a huge difference and I could see how it could, the next question is whether this is something that will be hard for their competitors to duplicate or not.
You are spot on - don't believe the hype, you are well aware from previous post I've read of yours that the tech is all rather old hat. ALL & I mean all DD bases are capable of replicating each other. It's purely a numbers game and I mean that in the sense of money. Depending on how deep their pockets are, can they hire the right software engineers etc ( all of F1 wanted to hire Adrian Newey @ one time or another - and we know why ;) - DD bases are capable of out performing you, me and every man, woman & child on the planet - even Lewis H, "Fernando's quicker than you" but he ain't quicker than your DD...… Not if the software's put together properly...……….. and that's the rub.
 
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https://www.ascher-racing.com/shop/b16m-sc/
Much better design for battery compartment.
I think it's using this 14250 Lithium battery

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I'm not saying any of this is a deal breaker, but it is extra stuff to deal with.

1. You have to replace your wheels to use this, or at least the base.
2. Now you have to remember to turn your wheel on before each use and turn it off when you are done or you will run the battery down. With the switch on the back you may forget. It will happen.
3. You have batteries on each wheel and keep them stocked.
4. The same battery assuming all wheel manufacturers standardize on this.

Edit: Updated with fix.
 
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I have read a lot of information about SC2 but I never heard that.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I understood that the Wheelbase had a couple quarter sized batteries for BT communication that they claimed lasted a 2-3 years. It does seem odd to require batteries at both ends. I'd be very happy to learn I got this wrong.

I learned This was incorrect and updated the initial post.
 
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I have read a lot of information about SC2 but I never heard that.
I think we all need to do a better research like that guy.
You also need two types of batteries, one for wheel and another for base.
Details like that don't just come out of someone's ass.
 
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The information about battery weighing just few grams came from Carsten Filmer, well known custom wheels builder , who is also working on solution for wireless SC.
GD document for wireless button plate module, states the following
The operating voltage specification of the wireless button plate module is between 2.4 – 3.8 V. A power-switch between a module and its power supply is recommended. The recommended power supply types for the module is a single 3 V lithium-, or 2 x 1.5 V alkaline batteries, in series.
And these come in all different shapes and sizes, including quarter size one.
My apologies if that confused you.

And another tidbit from the same doc on the power efficiency of the module
The wireless button plate module is designed and built to consume a frugal amount of energy, be as compact and simple possible, whilst still serving the needs of wheel-manufacturers and sim-users. The low current-consumption of the module makes continuous use of many months possible on just two AAA batteries.

P.S.
I thought you decided not to go DD route after all, just sticking around for a good conversation?
 
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OK, so in other words you will have to stock multiple types of batteries if you have different wheels.

I'm still interested in how this plays out even if I've pushed off getting a DD wheel indefinitely.

The SC2 has some solid strengths.

I'm trying to figure out if they actually have an edge in software that they will be able to maintain.
 
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While not ideal, BT solution provides certain benefits like freedom in choosing QR type and eliminating fragile pin connectors, the weakest part of Fanatec QR design.
Each has pros and cons. After learning more on the reasoning for chosen path, I think the benefits greatly outweigh the inconvenience of battery management, esp. considering promised longevity.
And popping in fresh batteries once in a few months is not really such a big of a deal after all. And higher capacity battery in Martin's wheel should last even more than that.
 
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I'm not going to argue with your priorities. I think the SC2 is a solid system, although I don't like their wireless solution because I have personal biases against BT based on my personal experience. Once the SC2 is out in the wild it may prove itself bulletproof. We'll see and I don't pretend to know something they don't know.

So far the SC2 appears to have one killer feature in software. Being able to dial back the force turning the wheel relative to the effects. I hear too often that people turn the their FFB up to uncomfortably high levels just to feel the details. This separation feature allows a way around that. That by itself appears to be a big deal for FFB systems.

Fanatec's software not being complete at release is definitely some egg on their face. I was expecting Fanatec's strong point to be the software, but we still haven't seen what that will eventually be once it's flushed out. I was expecting there to be a period where they cleaned things up.

The SC2 also doesn't requiring cooling in the motor as a relative pro compared to the DD's, but the pro model uses twin power supplies which I consider a negative. I'm sure they have their reasons.

The steering wheel issue is very much a strong pro or a strong con for either system depending on how upscale you want your steering wheels to be. Fanatec has a great selection of less expensive rims and there are some very beautifully designed and executed albeit more expensive wheels for the SC2.

As far as wheel mounts go, the fact that Fanatec already has a change planned for a podium release adds some questions about how that will go and the compability or conversion of their existing wheels.

In the case of an SC2 you can cable your existing wheels or upgrade all your wheels to be wireless. If I at some point went with Fanatec, I could just keep the wheels I have. All 2 of them.

More data points than I had a month ago, not nearly enough to go on. Not remotely itchy to buy, but very curious how this all shakes out. The next few months will be interesting.

For the record I want both systems to thrive. For now I see them aimed at slightly different markets, but definitely as direct competitors.

I was originally thinking Fanatec would come to dominate the market very quickly. Now I think there is more market segmentation than I originally thought and a place for both systems to coexist which is good.
 
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They had tested the very same PSU Fanatec is using and discarded it as not meeting test criteria. You can read about buzz, fan noise, and occasional failures up to the point of going in flames from lucky Podium owners already.
The systems will perfectly coexist, no doubt. Same as load cell based pedals like CSP coexist with HE and HPP offerings.
Just different target audience, except in this case the price is almost the same to just look past some shortcomings.
It's interesting to see how two companies are building essentially the same product using different design philosophies and priorities.
GD certainly has advantage of being industrial servo management experts and building second gen product (4th considering OSW and IONICube) using feedback collected from GD products sim racing users.

Fanatec on the other hand is a better recognized brand, which as in presidential run can play against you as well.
 
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The good news is that once they are both out in the wild for a while the patterns will become obvious.
They key is being patient and not writing anyone off until they have had a chance to prove themselves.
 
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