SIMUCUBE Direct Drive Wheel With Electronics Integrated Into The Motor

Deleted member 197115 · Mar 31, 2019

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...electronics-integrated-into-the-motor.386410/
April 3rd official announcement
https://www.simucu.be/

Deleted member 197115 · Sep 4, 2019

Here
https://forum.virtualracing.org/showthread.php/114930-Simucube-2-Tests-Erfahrungen-und-Eindrücke?p=2477843&viewfull=1#post2477843

https://community.granitedevices.com/t/simucube-2-turning-a-normal-wired-rim-wireless/2912/6

https://community.granitedevices.com/t/please-guys-tell-us-what-works-well-with-sc2-or-doesnt/3087/3

Barry mentioned it in his review.

Even Mika sort of admitted less than ideal wireless connection on SC2 here
https://community.granitedevices.com/t/simucube-wireless-wheel-support/1951/161

Plenty of other posts, mostly on German forum as lots of folks got new Martin Ascher wheels.
https://forum.virtualracing.org/showthread.php/115124-Ascher-Racing-F28-SC-Wireless-Wheel-für-Simucube-2

Manufacturers do not change HW design mid stream for no reason, it's business and change no matter how small cost money. But yeah, if you ask them, esp. now as they ship mix of antenna and antenna less units, the answer would be "it's cosmetic change" or something along these lines.

Cyberbug · Sep 4, 2019

The 3 granite (english) links don’t mention any issues? You made it sound like ppl actually complaining of issues. May be I cant read

Deleted member 197115 · Sep 4, 2019

Read german, watch Barry's review. Or just enjoy your unit without antenna.

Deleted member 197115 · Sep 4, 2019

Also comment on signal strength on SC2 vs SC1 from Martin Ascher.
https://forum.virtualracing.org/sho...ering-Wheels?p=2477911&viewfull=1#post2477911

The signal strength should under no circumstances fall below 20%. When driving the SC2 is between 30% and 70% and is currently compared to the SC1 with add-on receiver slightly lower (usually full 100%).

So signal loss is here, whether it affect specific system or not depends on circumstances and environment, I guess. Still 100% has better headroom for errors vs 30-70%.
How much do you have on the bar on your unit, which wireless wheel do you use?

RCHeliguy · Sep 5, 2019

Mine came with an antenna that I'll never use.

Cyberbug · Sep 5, 2019

Andrew_WOT said:
Also comment on signal strength on SC2 vs SC1 from Martin Ascher.
https://forum.virtualracing.org/sho...ering-Wheels?p=2477911&viewfull=1#post2477911

So signal loss is here, whether it affect specific system or not depends on circumstances and environment, I guess. Still 100% has better headroom for errors vs 30-70%.
How much do you have on the bar on your unit, which wireless wheel do you use?

Ultimate will be testing the B16M-SC soon, but most of my wheels will be USB, wireless has input limitations. So only 1 wireless wheel, others are turn racing LM8 and precision sim racing GT1 both with clutches, also an Ascher C26M with clutches

Deleted member 197115 · Sep 7, 2019

https://forum.virtualracing.org/showthread.php/116121-SimuCube2-Ultimate-versus-SimuCube1-Lenze-32NM

atomicgarden · Sep 7, 2019

Andrew_WOT said:
Here
https://forum.virtualracing.org/showthread.php/114930-Simucube-2-Tests-Erfahrungen-und-Eindrücke?p=2477843&viewfull=1#post2477843

https://community.granitedevices.com/t/simucube-2-turning-a-normal-wired-rim-wireless/2912/6

https://community.granitedevices.com/t/please-guys-tell-us-what-works-well-with-sc2-or-doesnt/3087/3

Barry mentioned it in his review.

Even Mika sort of admitted less than ideal wireless connection on SC2 here
https://community.granitedevices.com/t/simucube-wireless-wheel-support/1951/161

Plenty of other posts, mostly on German forum as lots of folks got new Martin Ascher wheels.
https://forum.virtualracing.org/showthread.php/115124-Ascher-Racing-F28-SC-Wireless-Wheel-für-Simucube-2

Manufacturers do not change HW design mid stream for no reason, it's business and change no matter how small cost money. But yeah, if you ask them, esp. now as they ship mix of antenna and antenna less units, the answer would be "it's cosmetic change" or something along these lines.

None of your English links mention any connection problems.
Barry talks about an antenna but specifically states he has had no connection problems.

RCHeliguy · Sep 7, 2019

I'd be a lot more curious how much of a difference there is between the SC2 Pro and Ultimate in a blind test. I would have gotten the Ultimate, but I had a feeling I wouldn't notice the difference.

Deleted member 197115 · Sep 7, 2019

atomicgarden said:
None of your English links mention any connection problems.
Barry talks about an antenna but specifically states he has had no connection problems.

Most people just see what they want, that's natural. Read link to german board. Chrome auto translate works wonder
Read posts on GD board, at least 2 confirmed cases of malfunctioning.
https://community.granitedevices.com/t/simucube-wireless-wheel-support/1951/192
https://community.granitedevices.com/t/simucube-wireless-wheel-support/1951/196
It's just how poor signal transmission work, it may or may not affect your situation.
GD saw reports, saw room for improvement and implemented what provably should have been there to begin with. It's all addressed and cleared on GD board. Big thumbs up to the team for listening and quickly reacting to complaints.

@RCHeliguy, Beano have both and was promising comparative review between two for quite a while. Unless I missed it, it never happened. May be one day when things get less busy. BTW, which PSU extension cables did you get?

RCHeliguy · Sep 7, 2019

The irony of course is that PSE has a wheel using a small wireless USB chicklet that works like a champ and isn't dependent on anything in the wheelbase. So it is wireless and compatible with EVERY wheelbase it can bolt to. That is the smart approach to wireless from the wheel manufacturer's standpoint. However Fanatec's approach offering both power and communication is the best solution by a huge margin. It will even support powering the large LCD F1 wheel displays on some wheels without requiring batteries to recharge and eventually replace, or the wheel side on/off switch to help save battery life.

We have "workable" solutions now, but I think we can be pretty sure most of this crap will be worked out in the next iteration of direct drive wheel bases. These are really the first two mass produced direct drive wheelbases built specifically for this purpose and as such we will be Guinea pigs. The 2nd generation should have a lot of these little issues figured out.

The Fanatec has more cool features, but also has baggage in terms of it's current wheel mount. Other than the wheel mount I would be tempted to say Fanatec has the better solution in terms of features people will appreciate and the SC2 more bulletproof physically.

Deleted member 197115 · Sep 7, 2019

I don't see any of the provided solutions as a clear winner, each has some disadvantages, esp Fanatec with physical pin connectors in QR.
Coiled cable for the win.

RCHeliguy · Sep 7, 2019

Andrew_WOT said:
I don't see any of the provided solutions as a clear winner, each has some disadvantages, esp Fanatec with physical pin connectors in QR.
Coiled cable for the win.

I agree that the CURRENT mount/pin connections from Fanatec are not a clear winner, but the way they bring wireless connectivity to the front of the mount is the winner.

Fanatec will fix their mount and come up with a more bulletproof and convenient connection for the pins. It's just a matter of time.

For now I agree the the coiled cable is the best option, however it is not the cleanest or most convenient solution. The Fanatec solution is clean and convenient. Once they make it more bulletproof they will win on all accounts. Never underestimate the power of convenience.

The current BT solution has too many extra pain points.

Additional cost of the wheel supporting BT
Charging batteries
Eventual replacing batteries
Additional weight of batteries
Wheel side On/off switch.
AND "current "connectivity issues and limitation of supported switches/buttons on the wheel

They can only fix #6 the rest are forever.

BTW that's why I didn't get the wireless USB wheel from PSE. It was more expensive, added weight to the wheel, plus charging, eventual replacement and an on/off switch to remember. Just not worth dealing with to me.

Deleted member 197115 · Sep 7, 2019

In no way I am defending GD choice, just a few clarifications:
- Price wheel side BT transmitter is comparable to the price of Leo Bodnar USB controller used in wired wheels, so not sure why wireless wheel must be more expensive.
- Power button is mostly for storing the wheel, you don't have to turn it on and off all the times. From GD wireless module spec

The module consumes less than 1 µA current in sleep mode, which means that it doesn’t need to be shut down, except for long-term storing. However, keeping even one paddle shifter pressed will prevent the module from staying in the most energy saving sleep mode. It is therefore strongly suggested to switch the power off in any situation where paddle shifters may be pressed for a long time.

Anyway, we had that conversation long ago. Little new any of us can add, except now we have external antenna. Yay!

EsxPaul · Sep 7, 2019

Andrew_WOT said:
@RCHeliguy, Beano have both and was promising comparative review between two for quite a while. Unless I missed it, it never happened. May be one day when things get less busy. BTW, which PSU extension cables did you get?

Beano did somewhat discuss his feelings regarding the difference he could feel between the Ultimate and Pro in his two latest videos where he is testing out the Pro.

I got the impression that he didn't think there was a great deal between them apart from the extra filters that you have with the Ultimate.