AC Shadow Formula 1 test event@Monaco

HF2000 · Feb 4, 2022

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Welcome to the RD Racing Club.

I am thinking of organizing a shadow Formula 1 championship with one of the above cars.

22 races held on Thursday in the same week and the same track as the real F1. They are the mini versions of the real track, but very recognizable! An event lasts a maximum of one hour (P,Q,R)

The Ligier is simple with very few setup options and a lot of fun.
The MAD is a powerful kart with lots of setup options and a handful to drive. But also fun.
So for the Ligier you don't need much time but it doesn't really fit with an F1 feeling. The MAD needs time to adjust the car for the track and learn to drive it.
I've added also the GoKart 50 and the Estonia also.

I am not sure what car it will be and I would like your help.
I set up a practice server with these cars at the Monaco track. Password: dunlop

I'd like you to try these cars and tell me by posting in this thread.

which car do you prefer for a championship with 22 races
if you want to take part in this championship which is held on Thursdays in the weeks when there is an F1 Grand Prix.

You can find the test server by searching for 'racedepartment'.
Thank you in advance.

TIP: The MAD reacts extremely quickly to the steering wheel. I have lowered the steering degrees to make it more drivable for me.

Mods:
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/mad-formula-team-mftc3.36690/version/83717/download

1982 Ligier JS8

When I saw this, I knew it had to be done. There was no doubting it; this car had to be in AC: So here we are. I didn't spend much time on this, not aiming for perfection by any stretch. But its reasonably decent, few bits missing that I don't...

www.racedepartment.com

GoKart

This is based in the GoKart 0.3a from @rex1825. The MOD was quite complete, but some .ini files had some values that I guess were there for testing. With very few changes, I made some improvements: IA doesn't seem drunk anymore IA is much more...

www.racedepartment.com

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/estonia-3.20410/

Fiberoptix · Feb 4, 2022

Thursday is the most likely week day I can commit to at the moment Han so I will come along for this and help try it out.

Shed 17 · Feb 4, 2022

Thursday’s OK for me Han, I will give both a go tonight.

Allan Ramsbottom · Feb 4, 2022

Sounds good to me M8..IM IN..

The Almighty Snark · Feb 4, 2022

Would love to but can't commit to that with my current schedule, too many evening and nights on thursday unfortunately!

Allan Ramsbottom · Feb 4, 2022

Wheres the link for track/car??,cant seem to find it

HF2000 · Feb 4, 2022

Allan Ramsbottom said:
Wheres the link for track/car??,cant seem to find it

MAD Formula Team MFTC3

Please read the document before downloading the car. It’ll put into context who we are, what we do and what is this car about (and what tracks to use). If you share this mod, please do so using the link of this RaceDepartment page. Do not...

www.racedepartment.com

Shed 17 · Feb 4, 2022

Hi Han
I have done about 25 laps in both cars around Monaco tonight and while this is no way scientific, here are my findings and feelings;

Both cars were tested in default setting.

Ligier S1.
Pros-

Slower lap times – may be better for beginners to join in.
Lap time comparable with the real F1 lap time so sort of in scale.
More chance of side by side racing.

Cons-

Very unstable and tendency to roll and understeer/oversteer easily. I took several laps before I could record a time.
Doesn’t look anything like a F1 car-might put some off.
Sound is very mechanical and harsh.
Turf tyre prone to wear.
Might be a bit of a drag to have to race these 22 times in a championship.

MAD Formula
Pros-

Looks like a mini F1 car.
Insane levels of grip straight out the box.
Low centre of gravity -handles well once you get used to ultra quick steering. I took three laps to get settled and record quick consistent times.
Sounds good.
A good livery selection.
Maybe would attract more drivers over a longer championship.

Cons-

Maybe too quick (30% quicker than Ligier) and overtaking opportunities will be less (like the real thing around Monaco).
Beginners may be put off by speed of fast guys.

I then did some set up changes on the Ligier (opened up the rear window

) and I could get it around with a bit more consistency.

I didn’t feel that I need to to any changes to the MAD apart from tyre pressures as my brain couldn’t cope with going any faster and I’ll be seeing Armco barriers flashing by in my sleep now.

I got used to the steering speed after three laps without altering and settings.

For me the Ligier was too cumbersome and twitchy and I preferred the MAD for grip levels and consistency, but that doesn't necessarily promote close racing and overtaking.

As these circuits are Kart tracks I wondered if there were any suitable karts. I then went onto RD and found quite a selection of goKarts just to compare them against the Ligier and MAD.

There were a couple of very good shifter karts but I found a 50cc Auto kart that worked very well offline and fitted in between the lap times of the MAD and Ligier. But we are then getting into karting which may be getting away from what you are trying to achieve here. Also I don’t know if they are acceptable or have any restrictions/faults but they are on RD so would seem to be legal.
These are purely my thoughts and findings, other will undoubtedly have their own thoughts and feedback.

Hope this helps.

HF2000 · Feb 4, 2022

Shed 17 said:
Hi Han
I have done about 25 laps in both cars around Monaco tonight and while this is no way scientific, here are my findings and feelings;

Both cars were tested in default setting.

Ligier S1.
Pros-

Slower lap times – may be better for beginners to join in.

Lap time comparable with the real F1 lap time so sort of in scale.

More chance of side by side racing.

Cons-

Very unstable and tendency to roll and understeer/oversteer easily. I took several laps before I could record a time.

Doesn’t look anything like a F1 car-might put some off.

Sound is very mechanical and harsh.

Turf tyre prone to wear.

Might be a bit of a drag to have to race these 22 times in a championship.

MAD Formula
Pros-

Looks like a mini F1 car.

Insane levels of grip straight out the box.

Low centre of gravity -handles well once you get used to ultra quick steering. I took three laps to get settled and record quick consistent times.

Sounds good.

A good livery selection.

Maybe would attract more drivers over a longer championship.

Cons-

Maybe too quick (30% quicker than Ligier) and overtaking opportunities will be less (like the real thing around Monaco).

Beginners may be put off by speed of fast guys.

I then did some set up changes on the Ligier (opened up the rear window ) and I could get it around with a bit more consistency.

I didn’t feel that I need to to any changes to the MAD apart from tyre pressures as my brain couldn’t cope with going any faster and I’ll be seeing Armco barriers flashing by in my sleep now. I got used to the steering speed after three laps without altering and settings.

For me the Ligier was too cumbersome and twitchy and I preferred the MAD for grip levels and consistency, but that doesn't necessarily promote close racing and overtaking.

As these circuits are Kart tracks I wondered if there were any suitable karts. I then went onto RD and found quite a selection of goKarts just to compare them against the Ligier and MAD.

There were a couple of very good shifter karts but I found a 50cc Auto kart that worked very well offline and fitted in between the lap times of the MAD and Ligier. But we are then getting into karting which may be getting away from what you are trying to achieve here. Also I don’t know if they are acceptable or have any restrictions/faults but they are on RD so would seem to be legal.
These are purely my thoughts and findings, other will undoubtedly have their own thoughts and feedback.

Hope this helps.

That's really great, Paul Thanks! Do you have the link to that GO kart. It isn't available on S.GP yet but I can ask for a special favor.

Shed 17 · Feb 4, 2022

HF2000 said:
That's really great, Paul Thanks! Do you have the link to that GO kart. It isn't available on S.GP yet but I can ask for a special favor.

A selection of karts in here, I used the 50cc auto.

GoKart

This is based in the GoKart 0.3a from @rex1825. The MOD was quite complete, but some .ini files had some values that I guess were there for testing. With very few changes, I made some improvements: IA doesn't seem drunk anymore IA is much more...

www.racedepartment.com

and the shifter karts

Shifter Kart 125

This Kart was originally uploaded to Race Department over here, back in 2017, so many thanks to everyone that made that possible: https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/gokart.16419/ This release is my attempt to add at least one revisions...

www.racedepartment.com

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/kart.39872/ ( see notes about written permission for championship use).

Allan Ramsbottom · Feb 4, 2022

I,ve got a Checksum Error with the Mad Formula??

Allan Ramsbottom · Feb 4, 2022

I,ve never had them before

HF2000 · Feb 4, 2022

S.GP uses a different version. I apparantly installed that one. I'll give you the correct link in a few minutes.

HF2000 · Feb 4, 2022

HF2000 said:
S.GP uses a different version. I apparantly installed that one. I'll give you the correct link in a few minutes.

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/mad-formula-team-mftc3.36690/version/83717/download

Seems to be the same. I'll find out I hope.

HF2000 · Feb 4, 2022

HF2000 said:
https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/mad-formula-team-mftc3.36690/version/83717/download

Seems to be the same. I'll find out I hope.

I did a new install on the practice server and it's working for me. Can you try again?

Allan Ramsbottom · Feb 4, 2022

That seems to have worked..Cheers

Dzul · Feb 5, 2022

Sounds like a ton of fun Han @HF2000 !

I don't think I can pull a wednesdey & thrusday simnight at home but I will def' give testing a good go... Paul's @Shed 17 conclusions from his thorough rundown sound excellent. Epic work señor!

HF2000 · Feb 5, 2022

Dzul said:
Sounds like a ton of fun Han @HF2000 ! I don't think I can pull a wednesdey & thrusday simnight at home but I will def' give testing a good go... Paul's @Shed 17 conclusions from his thorough rundown sound excellent. Epic work señor!

Qualify and race will take only about 40 minutes. And only in the weeks with a F1 Grand Prix. Practice server will be available thoughout the week.

HF2000 · Feb 5, 2022

I've added the Go kart 50 as a third option.

gearwhine · Feb 5, 2022

HF2000 said:
I've added the Go kart 50 as a third option.

Hi Han, we chatted about the Lola t70 spider the other day. The Modder was featured here on RD. Goes by the user name of aphidgod . Search on here and he will come straight up with his mods. Would be great if you could do something with his excellent mods