I don't think its a Point ofcourse he will do it quite Quickly because he just don't want to get beaten
Some guys say he was a Bad Looser but that quality only Pushing him Up and that is the Important reason if you ask why he was coming out on top.
Sebastian Vettel
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Some guys say he was a Bad Looser but that quality only Pushing him Up and that is the Important reason if you ask why he was coming out on top.
Being a bad looser is good, as YOU want to win all the time....be the best....number 1. But stick him with the mentioned ones, then would he be no1?? Would be interesting...
I also Think the Cocoon as Hampus said would differ from Teams.
If you go to Ferrari they will have a Clear Number #1.
In RBR they will give both drivers Equal opportunity unless one comes out on top(Partly favors Sebastian but not as much as Italian Giants).
In Mclaren you don't have a Number even one Driver has a shot at title and they will both drivers race until the Final race. (Can't say about Present though )
If you go to Ferrari they will have a Clear Number #1.
In RBR they will give both drivers Equal opportunity unless one comes out on top(Partly favors Sebastian but not as much as Italian Giants).
In Mclaren you don't have a Number even one Driver has a shot at title and they will both drivers race until the Final race. (Can't say about Present though
)If he has the Hunger which he had now and then yes. Also I don't doubt he will loose it in the foreseen future. Also every one considers If Alonso or Lewis or Kimi or Button as a Team mate then Vettel has the Pressure but easily forgets that Those who was his Team mate would also have same pressure watching Vettel as a Team mate. The Pressure Button and Webber has in the Last 3-4 years in the Qualification will be there and On race day too.Being a bad looser is good, as YOU want to win all the time....be the best....number 1. But stick him with the mentioned ones, then would he be no1?? Would be interesting...
The Results will be based on Driver strongest Tracks , Style and Strategy.
Also Lot of People easily forgets that Vettel was Learning and Alonso , Kimi and Button was reaching the Cliff(In My view) of Learning curve and they only need to use their Experience. Lewis was in the Middle of Learning Curve but Vettel was Still learning a Lot and the Races like Brazil, Spa will boost lot of Confidence.
So it is possible for Vettel to beat them with Hard fight as the others have. My View it will be 50-50.
That´s not true. It´s a teams decision if they want two great drivers (and risk loosing everything) or run one strong teammate and one playing second fiddle because he´s naturally a less consistent driver.
Mclaren has pitted Senna and Prost, Alonso and Hamilton. Once it worked, the other not so much.
Arguably because the car Senna and Prost had was completely superior so they fought among themselves.
Alo and Ham had Massa and Kimi to worry about throughout the whole season.
If he wants to cement his legacy as the best in modern time, do it against one of the recognized greats of the modern time like Kimi, Lewis, Alonso.
If all he does is drive Newey designed cars and titles with Newey designed cars and no real struggle then i will forever doubt just how good he was. It´s only natural imo.
This is the Reply for David Coulthard Statement from a Member in Planet F1 and i believe it was Well Put.
"Considering the fact that Vettel has already been voted as the best driver on the grid (besides being voted as the best sportsman in Europe, as well as getting some other recognitions), where does this idea that Vettel still needs to "earn the respect of the rest of F1 paddock" comes from?"
Last year the team principals voted for the best driver of 2012. Low and behold, Alonso came out on top.
Weird how a guy recently took his third title was not considered the best of the year?
Same with Autosport, think they ranked him 3rd best in 2012 despite taking the title.
I question just how much the guy who wrote that article actually watch F1.
Seems like a couch-supporter who have no understanding of how things work in F1 which is completely different to let´s say a sport like 200m sprint.
Bolt doesn´t have to depend on hardware, F1 drivers do.
Last year the team principals voted for the best driver of 2012. Low and behold, Alonso came out on top.
Weird how a guy recently took his third title was not considered the best of the year?
Same with Autosport, think they ranked him 3rd best in 2012 despite taking the title.
I question just how much the guy who wrote that article actually watch F1.
Seems like a couch-supporter who have no understanding of how things work in F1 which is completely different to let´s say a sport like 200m sprint.
Bolt doesn´t have to depend on hardware, F1 drivers do.
so you're saying he should quit the team and go to a slower car ,so he can earn your respect and that of all his detractors?
Not really. Just that if he never has a truly strong opponent and keep winning championships with the best car then quits the sport i will have a hard time saying he´s the best.
It´s not that i don´t recognize him as one of the best. he´s definitely in that group.
But the best? I struggle to see how anyone can make that argument in his favor frankly.
Me as a bonafide Hamilton fan can´t even make an argument that Hamilton is the best because it makes no sense when you have Alonso who´s been punching above his weight for 3 years straight with an inferior car 90% of the time.
the majority of team principles are either British or Ferrari connected.
and Autosport ..pffff
I think you haven't read the 2nd Point clearly Hampus. It was Not only about 2012 it was about Vettel's career in RBR.
A gallant challenge may earn the Claps but all you need is success. Not about the Drivers but also every one in Earth.
And what we were exactly
Having a Best car or not it was Depends on his team Designers and others
Having a Strong opponent as a Team mate it was depends on his team Decisions
Clearly asking him to do which was not in his hands
Also I ask you Hampus Compare Lewis, Vettel and Alonso at 25 years of age and tell me what they did and who come out on top
We have Alonso performing at the Very best at the Age of 31 and 32 not at 25. Lewis still needs to deliver like Alonso. He shown flashes but Couldn't Continue it in 2012 and 2010. But Vettel was lot younger than Both and we are clearly asking him to out Perform the Ones who was Much experienced despite they are More or Less Matched in Skills.
Give him time and We will see what he can do. But giving his hard work to The Car is not a Acceptable thing in my view
We have Alonso performing at the Very best at the Age of 31 and 32 not at 25. Lewis still needs to deliver like Alonso. He shown flashes but Couldn't Continue it in 2012 and 2010. But Vettel was lot younger than Both and we are clearly asking him to out Perform the Ones who was Much experienced despite they are More or Less Matched in Skills.
Give him time and We will see what he can do. But giving his hard work to The Car is not a Acceptable thing in my view
I don´t have a crystal ball. Put them in the same car and see what happens instead.
Go watch the 2007 season and then say Hamilton needs to deliver like Alonso.
They were neck and neck for the whole season and both drove extremely good but ultimately Raikkonen got the better of both.
2012 we all know what happened and we can assume this is the very reason he´s in a Mercedes today.
2011 was horrendous we all saw that.
You do realize that both Vettel and Hamilton started racing the same year?
They have equal experience.
And there´s 2 years between them.. Not 20.
He´s not a kid. Max Chilton is a kid, not Vettel.
Yea Ferrari is like the puppet master pulling strings everywhere.
They also ordered Checo to nearly crash his car in Malaysia last year right?
Caterham, Williams, Red Bull, Lotus all run Renault engines with Red Bull being the main team. By your logic all of them should be voting for Vettel.
Mercedes, Force India, Mclaren all run Mercedes units, neutral by your logic.
Sauber and Ferrari, by your logic Sauber should vote for Alonso because of their ties.
Now you might say well STR has a ferrari engine, well that´s about to change and they have closer ties with Red Bull since they are actually owned by Red Bull, not Ferrari.
The logic is flawed. Instead what we can do is look at the season and it´s crystal clear Alonso was the best driver of the field.
your thinking is flawed
i said most are either British or Ferrari connected,but of course you only chose to involve Ferrari in your argument
Caterham,Force India, Mercedes,McLaren,Marrusia all either based in Britain or Originated there or are British
Alonso was undoubtedly very consistent last year ,had many amazing gains at the start and benefited from alot of situations that befell other or better teams, as well as the tyre chaos at the begining,not to mention his very compliant teammate who tested parts for him for good part of the year and later was a factor too. It's crystal clear to you ,not me. And his car was anything but inferior in the races..the Merc 2012 was inferior
Please go ahead and explain the "thinking" behind the fact that some teams are British and thus would vote for Alonso rather then Vettel.
I would love to hear that.
The Ferrari was definitely inferior for most of the season. Look at Austin as a good example.
. An inferior car to me is one of mid-field pace...like the 08,09 Renault
In which races was the F2012 AT LEAST on the same level as Mclarens and Red Bulls?
And to me "inferior" means exactly what it means - "worse", no matter by how much.
The Saubers in 2007-08 were INFERIOR to both Ferrari and Mclarens, even though they were just behind those two teams. The HRTs were INFERIOR to Marussias and Caterhams, even though all of them were wayyyyy at the back...
it might not have been in any,during Q,but in the races it wasnt far off,it was the 3rd best car,hardly inferior! So When you factor in all of McLaren's reliability issues and pit stop cock ups,the fact that Jenson couldnt get to grips with his set ups for a good period and then the fact that RB took a good chunk of the season to sort out Sebastiens car ,then you can see how Alonso was able to stay in it at the end
