RACE 07 Racing Club (Merged)

[Attila Domján]

Hya all

As a start lets kick some WTCC cars after the pause period.


Time: 19.00 GMT / 20.00 CET
Practise: 30 min
Qualy: 30 min
Race: 2*10 laps
Weather: Dry

Track: Istanbul
Cars: WTCC 06 and 07

Server name: RSC # RPMnet.org
Password: spa


Server 1 - RSC @ RPMnet.org #1

1. Attila Domján - Chevy
2. Gareth Hickling - Peugeot
3. Pauliebhoy Harrigan - Seat Leon
4. Gregory Degreef - BMW E90
5. Mehmet Arikan - Seat
6. Jerome Benard - Alfa Romeo
7. Cristian Haba - BMW E90
8. Christian Deparis - Seat 07
9. Jens Hoeppner - BMW E90
10. Patrick van Driel -Seat Leon
11. James Yates - BMW E46
12. Jari Vinnari - BMW E90
13. Marcel Hulsbergen - Alfa 156
14. Peter Böszörményi - Seat Leon
15. Kent Karlén - Chevy 07
16. darron miller - Peugeot
17. Michael Herrmann - Alfa 156
18. Nico Major - BMW E90
19. Rami Kaukola - BMW E90
20. Christopher Aponte - Seat LEon
21. Simon Trendell - Peugeot
22. big daddy Morpheus Lightning McQueen - car tbd
23. Baron-Rouge[NO-B] - Seat Leon
24. ingemar petersson Seat Leon
25. Nevermind - Seat Leon

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[David Zafiu]

Vectra removed from car list for the time being as it seems a little unbalanced currently.

Why is a little unbalaced currently? I can't understand why because only on straight line is slower than others and this thing doesn't disturb me...

 

[Rhys Gardiner]

Keith Barrick said in an event thread over at the American club that the Vectra is not necessarily unbalanced... it's just that you don't need to do as much to make it quick. I can vouch for that - I can do much the same times in any other car as the Vectra, but I have to work a lot harder to get the others to go as fast... But if it's been removed for the time being, I suppose I'll go back to my first love, the Alfa. :love:

 

[Dan Allinson]

Ill take a spot please Ryan

 

[Giorgio Migazzi]

Sign me up please Ryan. Thx

 

[Günthar Rowe]

Vectra removed from car list for the time being as it seems a little unbalanced currently.

Chev 2007 vs Vectra 2007

Max torque: 283Nm vs 270Nm
BumpStop Front L&R: 4.00cm vs 4.25cm
BumpStop Rear L&R: equal/same
Wheel Track: +8.5cm wider on Vectra
Diffuser Downforce: +0.6% more Downforce on Vectra
Oversteer: +0.46% more on Vectra
CofG: +1% more to the front on Vectra
Fuel Tank Position: 2cm lower on Vectra
Front wing downforce: equal/same
Rear wing Downforce: equal/same
Body drag: equal

Seat 2007 vs Vectra 2007

Max torque: 277Nm vs 270Nm
BumpStop Front L&R: 5.50cm vs 4.25cm
BumpStop Rear L&R: 5.50cm vs 4.00cm
Wheel Track: +1.5cm wider front on Vectra, +0.5cm wider rear on Seat
Diffuser Downforce: +2.5% more downforce on Seat
CofG: +1% more to the front on Seat
Fuel Tank Position: 3cm lower on Seat
Front wing Downforce: +2.7% on Vectra
Rear wing Downforce: +5.7% on Vectra
Body drag: -4.3% on Vectra
Oversteer: +6.5% more on Vectra

So, you can see that the Vectra is under powered compared to the Chev and just to the Seat. Wider wheelbase to Chev, but ~ the same as Seat. ~ same downforce as Vectra, more and less in different areas vs Seat. Much more oversterr than Seat and ~ same as Chev.

I think that if the Chev was the "new" car and more drove it, the Chev might be looked upon in the same light at the Vectra.

The Chev has the power and only loses out on wheel track. The Seat loses on wing downforce, but get helped by more diffuser and less oversteer...

I wonder if I used the exact physics of the Chev it would still be seen as unequal?

I'm not saying that I won't look into this more but, try some Vectra setups on the Chev and see how you go...

 

[James Fellows]

New car. Does well. Everyone starts talking. Car gets removed/adjusted.

Now where have I seen that before this year :wink:

 

[Russell Robitaille]

Now this looks like fun. I'm in!

 

[Adam Vaughan]

People just jumped on the vectra because it was a new car, so there was alot of them on the grid, it was never more powerful or unbalanced. The most unbalanced car is the honda which is the easiest and fastest car to drive, but that doesnt get removed???

Its a shame as i love the vectra just for it looks.

 

[Simon Gardner]

I agree with Adam plus it stopped there being grids of nothing but Honda and SEAT Leon- I miss the events where you had to select a car from the list- ensuring every type of car was used.
I like to swap around but mainly drive the Audi for the looks and sound - how suited the car is to the track doesn't come into it.
With a decent setup any car can challenge for the win. It's not like public servers which include the WTCC 87 cars- where they clearly have an advantage

 

[James Fellows]

Sign me up please

RD Event Rules agreed: Yes

 

[Peter Duivelaar]

Sign me up please!

 

[David Zafiu]

Anyway,there is one thing that i can't understand at all....why people say that being diferences between cars is a problem.....the diferences between Vectra and others are the same like between Chevy and others and are the same like between BMW and others and so on.....if it's like that,make it singlemark car.....and this thing nobody will like....

Every car has his avantages and desavantages.

 

[Ryan Callan]

Well, from the evidence I have seen - the Vectra is certainly faster, if definitely more oversteery than the rest of the FWD cars. I'm thinking it could be the track width of the axle Gunthar?

 

[David Zafiu]

I think a Chevy can be faster also Ryan.Depends on setup and driver.Did anyone maked a test where the same driver drived the Vectra and Chevy on the same track with 2 very good setups(or defaults)?....anyway,you might be right,i was just asking

 

[Jimi Hughes]

Can you sign me up please?

It will be my first race in a Formula Masters, and im running on a laptop which is only just on the borderline of running the game. If i decide that it is too slow to run the F Masters (which it may well be) then i will most probably withdraw. (So any reserves, keep an eye out during Practise!!).

 

[Ryan Callan]

It's not just the evidence here - I've seen it in the ARC events too. Just seems to have a small advantage. I love the Vectra's looks too and I have nothing against it, and I have plenty of experience matching up performance with differing attributes after doing the Touring Masters mod.

 

[Morten Wernersen]

Sign me up please

 

[Mike Chaney]

My right rear tire isn't doing anything except hold the car up, can someone help me out with this?

 

[Aristide Romanov]

Guys I'm not sure I can make it! The power supply from my desktop PC is finished.
I will try to get another one in useful time. Don't sign me off yet, I will hit you back with info as soon as possible.

 

[Adam Vaughan]

Anyway,there is one thing that i can't understand at all....why people say that being diferences between cars is a problem.....the diferences between Vectra and others are the same like between Chevy and others and are the same like between BMW and others and so on.....if it's like that,make it singlemark car.....and this thing nobody will like....

Every car has his avantages and desavantages.

got it spot on :good: