New racer here, currently stuck, looking for help and advices!

[Mutzzz]

Hi all,

I have recently bought Assetto Corsa ultimate while it was on sale, as well as my first wheel. I am in love with this game, however, I found myself stuck after playing for 2 weeks with 24 hours behind the wheel.
I have watched a few youtube videos about beginners and sim racing. I have followed what those videos said. I started with BMW Z4 GT3 and only drove it on Red Bull Ring, I have not touched any other cars nor tracks (I did start career but only 1 race in). I managed to clock a 1:32:7 with Z4 on Red Bull Ring, but I found myself unable to improve.
I have concluded that my main problem is that I lack consistency despite I have driven around more than 100 laps on the track, I know where my breaking points are, but I just can nail it perfectly, I either break a meter too early or too late. I also have trouble hitting the inner curbs of corners, it being inconsistent as well.
I also have a question: should I drive more cars and drive on more tracks to get more experience in general, or to keep focusing on the current car-track pair that I have been working on?
Any advice or help would be much appreciated.

Mutz

 

[Mr Deap]

I mean no disrespect here, but you have been posting this piece of advice again and again for a long long time now. Apparently you have been criticized for that even by some game devs and a few fast guys in the community. I am neither of those, so well I gave my advice, you gave yours, peace.

For the most part I'm the always the one getting trolled.

Yes, there is a mathematical correct FOV & already mentioned at post #17, but who the hell own screens larger than 72inch? Not very smart tips...

Only players with the proper hardware will to do so & already had in mind to adjust to get realistic FOV on that point to gain realism, although not aimed on performance.

Even the DEV don't suggest to adjust the FOV to gain performance with the improper hardware.

i do see what MR DEAP means, he just does not word it very well, and does not
seem to appreciate the amount of skill the fast drivers and aliens have in exploiting
that most important part of sim racing.

It's a "shame" that so much emphasis is placed on lap times, personally I get a lot
of satisfaction from watching the way some drivers exploit their race craft, but not
always by those creating ultimate lap times.

Actually I do appreciate their sharing, but only in media or telemetry form.

The text is alien language for the most part & never actually made any sense in an understandable state. Sometime you do the complete opposite & it work wonder that you start to have a fascination outside planet earth.

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[Tomi]

So all those tens and hundreds of thousands simracers around the globe from the beginning of modern simracing who have found out and undeniably demonstrated and proved that FOV close to mathematical correct value (despite the screen size) is better in so many ways, have been all wrong?

All those things like easier to estimate the distances and braking points, corners feels more like in real world, much more easier for close battles between other cars, more realistic sense of speed and due all that better lap times, consistency and better racing. And it's all just been placebo and in our heads? Damn!

Because it must be like @Mr Deap says it, right? Right?? Adjusting FOV is just a useless advice and you gain nothing from it.

 

[Majuh]

You always get better with practice. How do you want to prove that they got better due to changing their FOV?

In my opinion, FOV is just a matter of getting used to it. You can also be fast and consistent in NFS Underground 2 with its ultra high FOV bumper cam...

 

[BhZ]

So all those tens and hundreds of thousands simracers around the globe from the beginning of modern simracing who have found out and undeniably demonstrated and proved that FOV close to mathematical correct value (despite the screen size) is better in so many ways, have been all wrong?

While i don't agree with 99% of what mr deap says, mathematical fov is useless. As long as you don't run huge values or very low ones, fov doesn't make any difference as our brain is able to learn and adjust to speed and distances. I have a 27 inch screen placed 70-80cm from me. I race in some pretty serious leagues and trust me, if there was a simple way to find pace as simply changing fov, i would have definitely found out by now.
I know i will sound like an elitist saying this (and it wouldn't be the first time, but at this point who cares...), but most simdrivers know nothing and can't be used to demonstrate that something works (i might remind a recent referendum happened recently in europe, but i won't ). If yo

The text is alien language for the most part & never actually made any sense in an understandable state. Sometime you do the complete opposite & it work wonder that you start to have a fascination outside planet earth.

I know some people i'm helping out that would surely disagree with this. If a so called alien wants to help, he will make himself quite clear on what has to be done to go faster. If then there are some doubts, it's all a matter of asking questions until you understand what you have to do.
Your video about divebombing (which is a very ugly word to describe the normal act of braking and turning in racing conditions) is also wrong. I seriously doubt i would do that corner the way you showed.

@Mutzzz My advice is to find a decent driver that can help you, possibly in private. In these kind of threads you receive 1000 advices and it gets difficult to understand what you must focus on, step by step, to improve. Then eventually you can share on the forum what you learnt, so that other drivers will know as well.

 

[RMR1]

Or you can look here
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It’s worth it.

 

[Tomi]

While i don't agree with 99% of what mr deap says, mathematical fov is useless. As long as you don't run huge values or very low ones, fov doesn't make any difference as our brain is able to learn and adjust to speed and distances. I have a 27 inch screen placed 70-80cm from me. I race in some pretty serious leagues and trust me, if there was a simple way to find pace as simply changing fov, i would have definitely found out by now.

Yeah, sure. You will eventually get used to almost anything except maybe icicle in your a**. If you by some miracle could get used to that I'm sure it still would feel somehow wrong and affect your life. You wouldn't necessarily notice what it is, but that doesn't mean your life couldn't be better without it even you did get used to that.

 

[BhZ]

Yeah, sure. You will eventually get used to almost anything except maybe icicle in your a**. If you by some miracle could get used to that I'm sure it still would feel somehow wrong and affect your life. You wouldn't necessarily notice what it is, but that doesn't mean your life couldn't be better without it even you did get used to that.

So if us as humans had a higher fov, we'd be slower on race cars? Fov is all about visibility. If you can't see the corner (which would be the case for 99% of simdrivers if they used the correct fov), then i doubt you'd go faster.
The point is not about getting used to it. The point is that the fov doesnt change anything as long as it has a reasonable value.

 

[Tomi]

If you can't see the corner (which would be the case for 99% of simdrivers if they used the correct fov), then i doubt you'd go faster.

Well, it works for me and I know I'll drive better with low FOV so in the end that's all I care about.

 

[Richard Dastardly]

It's a "shame" that so much emphasis is placed on lap times, personally I get a lot of satisfaction from watching the way some drivers exploit their race craft, but not
always by those creating ultimate lap times.

If they can race at all, a considerably faster car is going to get past - laptimes *do* matter, and of course if you're not in front then you can't catch anyone if you're not fast. Racecraft comes into it when there's not such a big gap in performance, and yes that is fun to do & watch. Fast and consistent and tricky - you can win races without all of them ( especially if you're fast enough not to need the other two ) but you need all of them to be really good.

What hurts is the emphasis on hotlapping - learning to drive off the ideal line is an essential skill for actual racing. As is knowing how to be passed without losing momentum or smacking the passing car.

 

[nogoodnames]

I get stuck at times unless I really push and risk it

 

[Kek700]

I see were you are coming from, but I do not see winning and lap times as the all
important thing in sim racing.

If I was racing for prize money to pay the mortgage then My views would be entirely
different.

Some of us just cannot get our heads around the PC monitor screen and FFB wheel
and have to accept our limitations.

It does not stop me having a lot of admiration for those who can.

It also does not stop me admiring someone who is 11/2 seconds off my pace causing
me to have to sit behind for 3 or 4 laps just by positioning their car very cleverly, and
knowing when and how to slow me down, whilst I try and figure out how to get past
and not cause an "off".

 

[Mr Deap]

Your video about divebombing (which is a very ugly word to describe the normal act of braking and turning in racing conditions) is also wrong. I seriously doubt i would do that corner the way you showed.

The racing line need a bit of work, but the method is about right. It would get close to WR by less than a sec which seem fine in my opinion.

Example: Tell for the driver on the right who's doing it wrong to focus on corner exit, be more early on the throttle, slow in fast out, drive smoother or git gud & adjust FOV. You know... it's the usual advice I'm reading, but it's always fascinating .

Veni vidi vici, just bomb dive with the brake.

 

[PhilS13]

The only thing fascinating is how stupid you are mate.

 

[Richard Dastardly]

I see were you are coming from, but I do not see winning and lap times as the all
important thing in sim racing.
...

It also does not stop me admiring someone who is 11/2 seconds off my pace causing
me to have to sit behind for 3 or 4 laps just by positioning their car very cleverly, and
knowing when and how to slow me down, whilst I try and figure out how to get past
and not cause an "off".

I don't often win anything - doesn't mean I don't enjoy myself. But you're on a track to be faster than other people on the track, to get in front of them - that's winning, even if you're only winning a momentary contest; you literally described enjoying the challenge of getting past someone, of being faster than them, of winning, in the last paragraph. If you're driving a car round a track with a bunch of others your racing instinct makes you try and go faster than the other people, and that's at heart better laptimes. It all matters, it's all part of your enjoyment as a racer even if it's not the thing you think you're concentrating on. If you're not a racer at heart you wouldn't be there in the first place

Laptimes are about the only metric drivers can use to compare themselves with; wins are too random and not really very useful unless you're a team manager. There's not enough time in the world to race against every other driver enough times for a direct comparison to be of real value.

 

[Kek700]

I agree.

 

[RMR1]

The racing line need a bit of work, but the method is about right. It would get close to WR by less than a sec which seem fine in my opinion.

Example: Tell for the driver on the right who's doing it wrong to focus on corner exit, be more early on the throttle, slow in fast out, drive smoother or git gud & adjust FOV. You know... it's the usual advice I'm reading, but it's always fascinating .

Veni vidi vici, just bomb dive with the brake.

Wut WR are you referring to?
RSR?
If so,shame on you!
That list is abandoned by Aliens since years...

 

[Mr Deap]

The only thing fascinating is how stupid you are mate.

All the common advices just don't fit to improve pace for the right side example which is the common mistake you see when new players choose to play a racing simulator.

I absolutely don't see anything absurd or idiotic by being fascinated to it, which I have to disagree with this opinion & I'm being trolled.

 

[RMR1]

The only thing fascinating is how stupid you are mate.

At least he’s a hard tryer....
Coming back again and again.

 

[RMR1]

All the common advices just don't fit to improve pace for the right side example which is the common mistake you see when new players choose to play a racing simulator.

I absolutely don't see anything absurd or idiotic by being fascinated to it, which I have to disagree with this opinion & I'm being trolled.

Are you THAT stupid?
Really?

 

[BhZ]

I'm being trolled.

The reason why you are trolled is that many experienced simdrivers have told you plenty of times that the things you are saying are incorrect and you, instead of accepting it and using this knowledge to get faster, keep spreading misinformation about driving technique. Even the word you use to describe the simple act of braking on a race track is incorrect. Try to be a bit more humble and listen to what people say.